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Made me sympathetic to the Japanese

posted 7 years ago by Dollyrkr
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I mean it was an interesting exercise for the time period of how a country can protect it citizens from an insane cult trying to take hold of it's people.
They learn they can't martyr them so they have to silence them.
I found it pathetic and inhuman that the priests continued to believe in their imaginary sky daddy even though it meant innocent people they put in harm's way were tortured and murdered.
The fact that the priests still clung to their psychotic cult nonsense shows the depth of delusion and the horror of religion.
It's silly that there are even words like "apostate" - like "I don't believe in made up fairy tale nonsense anymore" should have a name.
Religious people who try to indoctrinate others are the greatest threat to peace and technology in the world. Religious people who try to indoctrinate others are terrorists, because that is precisely how terrorism begins: indoctrination.

I hope this is just seen as a page in history toward a future when humans evolve past the horror that is religion.

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

You really should go see a shrink.

[–] Dollyrkr 7 years ago

why because I don't believe in a sky daddy?

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

No, because you are taking it so personally and getting defensive about it. Why is that? I have friends that are atheists and have spoken to atheists before concerning religion, and they don't start getting unraveled when we discuss religion. Your post on the other hand....

[–] cunninghammer 7 years ago

I don't see how I get a post deleted because I said people get persecuted because of Christianity, but you are allowed to belittle Christians based on their beliefs and call God "sky daddy." Doesn't make sense.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

I don't see how I get a post deleted because I said people get persecuted because of Christianity, but you are allowed to belittle Christians based on their beliefs and call God "sky daddy." Doesn't make sense.

How dare you speak the truth.

Don't you know that 6 million jews died during the holocaust?

Christians being persecuted has no bearing in the media.

[–] kawaiikiwi (93) 7 years ago

The ''holocaust'' is the biggest lie in history

[–] emvan 7 years ago

While my anti-theistic rhetoric isn't as strong as yours, you should know that you're not the only one who watched the movie this way.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

[–] MoviemanCin 7 years ago

I agree. And the absolutely WORST example is Radical Islamic Terrorism. At least the Christians weren't killing people.

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar and doesn't.

[–] joekiddlouischama 7 years ago

At least the Christians weren't killing people.

... not in this film ...

[–] tkdurbin 7 years ago

Not directly

"Ugly buildings, politicians and whores all become respectable if they last long enough"-Noah Cross

[–] MagdaFR 7 years ago

What about the Crusades?

The Inquisition?

[–] mwagner71592 7 years ago

The crusades were a response to Muslim slaughter and conquest that pushed as far north as France before The Europeans responded and it met all of the requirements of the day for a 'just war'.

The inquisition sucked, though, I'll give you that.

Thankfully, Christendom had a reformation and hasn't been violent for several hundred years.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

The crusades were a response to Muslim slaughter and conquest that pushed as far north as France before The Europeans responded and it met all of the requirements of the day for a 'just war'.

The inquisition sucked, though, I'll give you that.

Thankfully, Christendom had a reformation and hasn't been violent for several hundred years.

What history books have you been reading?

Christianity not violent for several hundred years?

The bible was used as an excuse to keep blacks as slaves. That did not happen several hundred years ago. Nor did it end then.

The bible was used by the Christian west to show that they were superior and in the right.

The following nations have been the victims of christian european genocide in the past 500 year: America, Canada, Every south american state, South Africa, India, Australia, China, New Zealand, all of sub-saharan Africa.

You can understand why the Japanese resisted Christendom.

People always keep on going on about Islam being a bogeyman but they don't seem to comprehend what their own history books tell them.

King Leopold II was responsible for 20 million deaths in the Congo.

[–] captainburrito (128) 7 years ago

The crusades were a response to muslim expansion but were also handy for attacking others and gaining advantage. eg. the Wendish Crusades against slavs who were not muslim.

[–] TheToonKing 7 years ago

I had the exact same feeling. It actually made me sympathetic towards the Japanese.... what CAN you do if not what they did ?

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

If only the Native Americans had acted in the same manner. They would have saved themselves from being butchered by the Europeans.

[–] joekiddlouischama 7 years ago

Native Americans had a different type of society ... "500 Nations" ...

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

You mean torture and kill people? You must be a big fan of ISIS.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

You mean torture and kill people? You must be a big fan of ISIS.

Yeah, ISIS are the only ones who have used torture.

America never did that. Abu Ghraib and all the other CIA black sites.

Why do white people always have double standards?

6 million white people dying is a holocaust but 100 million Native Americans getting slaughtered over a period of 500 years? It's ok cause it's 'Merica!

And don't say that it is history. You only stopped lynching black people in the 1980's.

Native Americans are kept in reservations unable to claim their own lands.

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

What makes you think I am white, because I am not. So are you trying to justify ISIS torture with the "they did it, too" argument?

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

What makes you think I am white, because I am not. So are you trying to justify ISIS torture with the "they did it, too" argument?

Your post implied that ISIS were the only ones to have ever tortured any one or that they have committed the worst atrocities.

Oh, sorry I forgot, It was ISIS who dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan.

[–] Leroy_Johanson 7 years ago

Glad to see you bombed that dick.

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

Reapervai, sorry you lack reading comprehension skills, or read into things that aren't there in order to support your ignorant and contradictory views, but I never stated ISIS were the only ones responsible for atrocities. Let's see your view is... all people have done bad things? Is that supposed to be an original or revolutionary thought? I hope your little mind didn't burn itself out coming up with that one. Anyway, you still haven't even had the cajones to answer the question, and are trying misdirection in your response. So does the fact that US and or European countries have committed atrocities justify other atrocities by other countries/organizations? No wonder Trump waltzed in the White House, with morons like you out there flapping your lips. As the saying goes, better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

Sorry you lack reading comprehension skills, or read into things that aren't there in order to support your ignorant and contradictory views, but I never stated ISIS were the only ones responsible for atrocities. Let's see your view is... all people have done bad things? Is that supposed to be an original or revolutionary thought? I hope your little mind didn't burn itself out coming up with that one. Anyway, you still haven't even had the cajones to answer the question, and are trying misdirection in your response. So does the fact that US and or European countries have committed atrocities justify other atrocities by other countries/organizations? No wonder Trump waltzed in the White House with people like you you flapping our lips. As the saying goes, better to be thought of as a fool than to open up your mouth and remove all doubt.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

Sorry you lack reading comprehension skills, or read into things that aren't there in order to support your ignorant and contradictory views, but I never stated ISIS were the only ones responsible for atrocities. Let's see your view is... all people have done bad things? Is that supposed to be an original or revolutionary thought? I hope your little mind didn't burn itself out coming up with that one. Anyway, you still haven't even had the cajones to answer the question, and are trying misdirection in your response. So does the fact that US and or European countries have committed atrocities justify other atrocities by other countries/organizations? No wonder Trump waltzed in the White House with people like you you flapping our lips. As the saying goes, better to be thought of as a fool than to open up your mouth and remove all doubt.

No, I said that the christian west is responsible for more atrocities than any other ethnic group.

Your post implied that ISIS were the only ones to have ever tortured any one or that they have committed the worst atrocities.

Oh, sorry I forgot, It was ISIS who dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

Again, why do white people have double standards and trouble admitting that they were in the wrong?

The Japanese were right in what they did when they persecuted minorities.

Western culture is not compatible with Japanese culture. Try as hard as you want but you can not become Japanese.

So tally up the numbers.

ISIS, also landed in Australia and committed genocide against the Indigenous peoples.

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

I am not white, so you can stop your racist rants. What race are you Reapervia, or do you lack the balls to say? Try as hard as you want, you can't become Japanese? What are you talking about? Who wants to become Japanese? I have heard wacked out homeless people that make more sense than you. And you still haven't answered the question. Tally what numbers?

Anyway, try doing another post when you are off the meth.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

What race are you Reapervia,

Human.

[–] cyf222 7 years ago

Is that why you are ranting and raving about other people being "white"? At least have the guts to be honest.

[–] Inkan1969 7 years ago

C'mon, you really want to say they were right when they tortured and murdered people in this movie?

[–] joekiddlouischama 7 years ago

I had the exact same feeling. It actually made me sympathetic towards the Japanese.... what CAN you do if not what they did ?

I thought that the Japanese actions in the film were quite chilling, personally—anticipating totalitarianism. I can understand a backlash and restrictions (although the film never really delves into why there would have been a backlash), but the authorities' determination to eliminate Christianity proved absolute.

[–] throwaway50000 7 years ago

although the film never really delves into why there would have been a backlash

Didn't they? I thought Inoue made it clear that spreading Christianity would take control away from them. Made total sense to me.

You've got a country where the Daimyos and Shoguns are in charge with relatively little trouble from the peasants. Then a bunch of foreigners come in, not to forcibly invade, but to spread the "word". More subtle and with more finesse but perhaps even more effective than any war could have been. It's about followers. Get the natives to believe what you believe, then they are bowing down to you and your god, and now you have complete control over them. There is nothing they wouldn't do for their god and religion. In real war, you can physically take them over but not their hearts. In religion, they willingly hand over their hearts and souls and, if asked, bodies too.

The Japanese understood this and put a stop to it, pronto.

[–] Ace_Spade 7 years ago

I found myself sympathising very much with all parties: the Church, the Japanese Christians, the Japanese Buddhists, the Japanese government, and the various individual players in the overall scheme.

I really loved the performances and characters of the Inquisitor and his underlings - they provided balance in what could have been a one-sided story.

But the film isn't trying to condemn the priests, I don't think, or vilify them as you seem to be so hellbent on doing. I think you're missing out on the film's nuances, complexities, and richness by simply writing off massive swathes of the film's characters and themes (for instance, boiling the title down to simply mean the tactics of the inquisitors).

The film is too detailed and carefully constructed to be limited that way.

[–] The_Baba 7 years ago

Very well put!

http://www.imdb.com/list/_OaGg-zdQKo/

[–] shamis-881-25789 7 years ago

Amen

[–] benman46 7 years ago

You don't seem to have rated this, so I can assume you haven't seen it.

[–] Reapervai 7 years ago

You don't seem to have rated this, so I can assume you haven't seen it.

I have seen it but I tend to find that you have to watch most Scors Movies a few times because of their run time. There is always some thing that you miss and you have to let the movie sink in before making a decision.

[–] Innsmouth 7 years ago

The scary thing is people like the OP aren't just insane, foaming at the mouth idiots babbling on nonsense that everyone can easily ignore, no, people like that run Western colleges, schools, they influence culture, Hollywood etc. The young generation is being influenced precisely by psychopaths like the OP.

God help them, is all I can say.

Arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBWDzkqEPY