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To everyone hating on this movie...


...shut the heck up!


Geez, at least Lucas spent his money (over 100 million dollars) to create a movie that no other studio would touch because they felt it was a black movie. Lucas made it very universal and will break even one day. I don't care how authentic it is, because there was a story that needed to be told that no one would tell and he told it...and I applause him for that.

I'm a black guy and fell that the movie wasn't great. Yes, it was very cheesy and overly dramatic at times. I can easily say that this would be a great made for TV movie. But, that's not important. It's an overall good movie at best and there's plenty of intense action. I left the movie theater feeling great to be from Alabama and see this movie.

If you hate this movie, then you're a closet racist. This it.

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because there was a story that needed to be told that no one would tell and he told it..


Well, the point many of us are making is that he DIDN'T tell their story. He copped out and reduced it to a caricature. But your post, particularly your last line tells me that you aren't interested in actual reasoned criticism and dialog. Rather you are just interested in playing the race card praising this movie JUST because it is black. I bet you are the kind of guy who would vote for Marion Barry just because he is black. Credibility = 0

TNSTAAFL

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"I bet you are the kind of guy who would vote for Marion Barry just because he is black"
That's a racist statement, you don't even know the guy. He didn't say the movie was great, just that it wasn't that bad, which it wasn't.

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So there's nothing wrong with saying that if you're white and dislike the movie, you're a racist?

His comparison is perfectly valid.

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You can never tell the whole story, unless you go BoB on it. That's the same reason why a movie can never be as good as the book its made from, you've only got two hours.

It wasn't a great movie, but it wasn't all that bad. Formulaic.



This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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...shut the heck up!


Sorry, these boards do not exist for idiots like you to tell people what to post. They're for discussion. If you don't know the meaning of the word, consult a dictionary or have someone read the definition to you.

Geez, at least Lucas spent his money (over 100 million dollars) to create a movie that no other studio would touch because they felt it was a black movie.


Yeah, Lucas has footed the bill for every black movie ever made.

Perhaps the studios aren't all evil white devils and saw that a movie with little accuracy, plot, and characters with too much CGI and emphasis on SFX wouldn't d very well. They have a right to choose what they make and what they pass on.

Lucas made it very universal and will break even one day.


Universal? Pray tell what your definition of "universal" is. I bet it's a riot. And at the rate it's going, it won't break even. If it does, it's still a failure because it is desirable for movies to MAKE money. Perhaps you should also look up how movies are made, as well as how the box office works.

I don't care how authentic it is, because there was a story that needed to be told that no one would tell and he told it...and I applause him for that.


Of course not. You're probably a simpleton who is content if you see explosions and shiny things. And the story has already been told, via a movie called -- oddly enough -- The Tuskegee Airmen. It's a shame there isn't a website that serves as a database for movies...oh wait...

If you hate this movie, then you're a closet racist. This it.


I should have just quoted this, because it's enough to reveal you for the race-baiting, race-whining, Al Sharpton-wanna-be scumbag you are.

It's pissy little crybaby attitudes like yours that inspire "racism".

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you know, i like how you broke down the complete thread and gave your interpretation of what I was saying. it's mostly bs, but it only confirms my final statement.

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It was "bs" but you couldn't even refute or even debate my points?

Sure, I'll just mark that one down as you being an ass, getting called out on it, and not having anything else to say because I'm completely right.

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Groomten, you black people play the race card, we white people play the "you're full of *beep* card.

I didn't hear people whining about historical accuracy for movies like Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now, The Platoon, Letters from Iwo Jima, Flags of our Fathers, Full Metal Jacket, even Inglorious Basterds, however this one movie with an all-black cast comes out and everybody goes ballistic - spewing gibberish about historical accuracy and plausibility.


No one is bitching about the original Tuskegee Airmen movie or Glory either. On the other hand, "white" movies like Pearl Harbor, Flyboys, etc. got absolutely blasted for many of the same reasons as this movie. Guess that goes your laughable racism cries. Those other movies you mention, you shouldn't because they actually cared about telling a story and/or portraying characters, with an emphasis on realism or conveying other relevant ideas about war. This movie was a demo reel for CGI and SFX, and evidenced by the few people who liked it mentioning that as the high point of the film, which is a sad fact.

So you go on crying and whining about racism. You're wrong, and you're perpetuating the idea of the angry, braindead, whiny, race-baiting minority that everyone hates to listen to over and over.


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I have been waiting for this movie for years. I am glad I finally got to see it. For those of you that dislike the film consider this, how many other films of the black airmen can you compare it too?

The film was made to be dramatic and heroic and to place the rightly deserves positive light on these American heroes.

It was sad that the day I went to see it [matinee] that there were only 4 people in a theater that could hold about 300 people.

There have been scores of films about the actions of the brave white Americans in WWII but this finally shows some light on the heroic mission of the Tuskegee Airmen!

Worth seeing at twice the price!

"I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." -Douglas Noel Adams

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" how many other films of the black airmen can you compare it too?"

Well, there's the one made before then that paints a more realistic picture of these men. How many more films about the same people do you need?

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@dellar

"How many more films about the same people do you need?"

You can say that EXACT same thing about 99% of the films that come out of Hollywood, because they DO make the same films over and over again about the same subjects,ALL the time. Why not another film about the Tuskegee Airmen that was more "true to life", as a lot of people are claiming? It's not like there are a whole bunch of them around in the first place. Besides, even if RED TAILS had been more realistic,people would have STILL nitpicked the hell out of it and found something wrong with it. And why does the 1995 have to be the ONLY film about the TA, anyway? Give me a damn break! Look at all those World War II films that came out a couple of years ago, one after the other. Or all these superhero films that have been coming out,one after the other. I just see this movie being tore the hell down mainly because: some folks just can't accept seeing black folks in the leads,or give us credit for positive things we actually did---look at the post where some person nitpicks on EVERYTHING the TA'S did--it's calls "The Myth of the something--I forgot what. I don't understand how everyone expected RED TAILS to get EVERY little detail right when the majority of Hollywood war films don't even get half the kind of scrutiny this film is getting; and hate for Lucas because of the last Star wars films, also the fact that people couldn't stand the fact that he admitted racism from the studios played a major role in the film almost NOT getting made in the first place,but a lot of white folks didn't want to hear that, and threw major fits about it,like he's just smacked down their favorite wrestler of something---it's crazy.


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I looked to this page for information about the movie and encountered a freaking race riot! Hey, it is not 1964 any longer. I am going to go see a movie about the wonderful P-51 Mustangs sans bubble canopies, and some of the best pilots in World War II.

I have read about the Tuskeegee airmen for decades, and am looking forward to it, even though I am a "honky." ;-)

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I am going to go see a movie about the wonderful P-51 Mustangs sans bubble canopies, and some of the best pilots in World War II.


Not sure about the "best pilots" claim, but this movie shows bubble canopies on the P-51s.

Live long and prosper.

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You say the same bull to everyone on this thread.... Litterally.
Lol calm your tits dude

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I didn't hear people whining about historical accuracy for movies like Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now, The Platoon, Letters from Iwo Jima, Flags of our Fathers, Full Metal Jacket, even Inglorious Basterds, however this one movie with an all-black cast comes out and everybody goes ballistic - spewing gibberish about historical accuracy and plausibility.


You're so full of *beep* it's no wonder your skin is brown.

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All to true

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@lupin-III

*beep* off with your hateful racist insults, you whiny a**hole!

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Beyond racist comment
What a dîck

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Not every white critic of this movie is a racist. But judging just from this thread, some of them sure are!

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Saving Private Ryan - fictional
Apocalypse Now - fictional
Platoon - semi autobiographical
Full Metal Jacket - semi autobiographical
Inglourious Basterds - fictional

Of course no one complains about historical accuracy in regard to these movies; it's either shït someone made up on the spot, or shït that may or may not have actually happened that no one's gonna call 'em out on.




Going station to station is hunky dory but if the trip's low on creeps it can drive Alladin Sane.

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Saving Private Ryan - fictional
Apocalypse Now - fictional
Platoon - semi autobiographical
Full Metal Jacket - semi autobiographical
Inglourious Basterds - fictional

Of course no one complains about historical accuracy in regard to these movies


Really? How do you know this?

Live long and prosper.

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Of course no one complains about historical accuracy in regard to these movies


classic

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People assume that which they ignored cannot exist.

I know Saving Private Ryan, for example, has drawn a significant amount of criticism for its historical inaccuracies.

Live long and prosper.

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I know Saving Private Ryan, for example, has drawn a significant amount of criticism for its historical inaccuracies.


I find that hard to believe.

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Platoon - semi autobiographical


But made by a writer/director who is known for playing fast and loose with history. I mean, making Jim Garrison a hero? Really?

TNSTAAFL

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"I know Saving Private Ryan, for example, has drawn a significant amount of criticism for its historical inaccuracies."

Understatement of the year. Hey, maybe BuddyLove can show up again to start off on one of his rants.

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Going off subject, Oliver Stone based Platoon on his own Viet Nam Experiences. But Jim Garrisson? Ok, I am with you there!

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Get some help.

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Amen!

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I know Hollywood doesn't like movies with all black cast, but I don't think that applies here. The movie was just bad in every way. And overly patriotic in total 40's propaganda way that really is racist. Everyone likes to laugh at nazis, but I really get why studios would feel that this movie has no audience outside USA. If they had instead made it about WW2 in the Pasific with japanese pilots acting like the german ones in this movie everyone would hate Lucas.

You can't make a supposedly realistic based on facts movie about racial equality and make it also uncritical comedic nostalgic take on racist propaganda. That's just a bad idea from the very start.

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Isn't this the story of The Tuskegee Airmen made by Hollywood in 1995?


No. Red Tails is a fictional story set in the 332nd Fighter Group in Italy.

The 332nd was real, but the characters in this film are all fictional.

Live long and prosper.

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I'm a closet racist for not liking a film? huh........ I want to say you're a troll, but I'm fully aware that people can actually be stupid enough to make such a comment.

"Kaneda, what can you see?"

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I just like how alot of people's interpetation of a "discussion" of a film really amounts to (in the case of Red Tails) "This movie sucks" or "This movie sucks because George Lucas was involved with it".

My take on it is this: Lucas saw that there was some obvious shady dealings going on when he tried to get a studio to back this film. This film is ENTERTAINMENT, its done in the vain of old school war films that usually starred John Wayne or those other highly revered(white)actors of the day. Its not SUPPOSED to be a stone faced fully accurate portrayal of the Red Tails, just like Pearl Harbor wasnt an accurate portrayal of those events...in fact Pearl Harbor was a glorified date movie for dudes.

Anyway, I just implore people on both sides of the arguement to 1: Stop taking this crap so freaking seriously, B: Its no myth Hollywood screws over minority driven films, and 3: Stop taking EVERYTHING George Lucas does as a personal attack, he's been in the business for awhile anything a person does in his position is going to be hit or miss at least he took notice of the situation and did something about it when any other filmmaker probably would've just abandoned the project altogether.

And furthermore: Groomten and Type1138, take it to the private messages; its posters like the both of you that make boards loathsome to post on. Either ask each other out already or STFU the BOTH of youse.


"You win some, you lose some. But you live, you live to fight another day."

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My take on this is that if you're going to bring up an intellectual topic such as racism, you need to have the intellect to continue the argument, instead of just calling everyone a racist without any valid points. It's pretty obvious you can't even keep up with the debate, you simply aren't educated enough. Nice try, though.

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