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French not taught properly in English-speaking provinces???


I'll be quick. I'm in Gr. 10, I live in Toronto and I've taken a French class everyday for the past nine years. ANd what can I, or the rest of the English teenagers, show for it? Nothing. Not a single person (I know) who has come to school with me can speak fluent or even broken French. Personally, I am really pissed off about this.

I believe in the system and I believe in what it tries to accomplish, but I can't help but think it has failed me and the majority of Anglophones. I believe that all citizens in Canada should strive to be bilingual, as most Quebecers seem to be; it's only fair and, moreover, it's only respectful.

I'll quickly go over with why I believe it has failed me and the rest of the people I know. I don't believe it's for a lack of effort; I and many people I know have tried but failed. I personally believe the largest problem is a lack of qualified teachers. In my highschool year of French, my teacher could only speak Polish and French. Very little English. Half of the time, it was impossible to understand him. Before that, seven of my years in elementary school were spent with teachers who would just sit us down and make us memorize verb conjugations over and over again, only to forget them in the summer. After I left elementary school, I learned that my previous teachers did not even study French in university; they studied history and english literature, respectively. However, in my Gr. 7 year, I had a teacher who had studied French in university, how to teach it and who, moreover, was from Quebec. By the end of the year, she had the entire class reading simple novels in French. Unfortunately, the next two years of my french career were with crappy teachers and I soon forgot everything I had learned in Gr. 7.

There are other teenagers who are more gifted in languages than myself and do better in the program, but the majority of us do not. The worst part is is that I feel like francopones might interpret our lack of French as disrepectful and alienating towards them. After all, Canada is bilingual and we should probably all strive to make it so. I think it's about time someone step-up and fix the system.

Hell, there's apparently a guy in California who can teach you fluent French in six weeks, the CIA can do it in four months so shouldn't nine years be enough for the rest of us? People say we don't learn it for a lack of effort, but many good students like myself who try hard at school can barely speak it.

Nine years should be enough to get someone fluent in a language and if the government is going to make it mandatory, they might as well do it right. I'm aware the French immersion scools are often much more sucessful in teaching French, but the schools are limited in number and often impact students grades in history and geography negatively. STill, I think 45 minutes a day for 2/3 of the year for nine years should be adequate to get even the worst of students moderately fluent in French.

Oh and sorry for being off-topic, this movie jsut got me thinking about bilingualism and why I (and many others who have been learning it for years) can't speak French.

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i moved to montreal two months ago and one thing i found is that if I try and speak french, i get replied to in English. Now, my french may not be perfect, but i can speak a bit.....and i like to try! its a beautiful language, but in Montreal...the french speakers don't seem to want to give me the chance to practice!

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I lived in Nova Scotia all my life, and been in french class for 4 years, and don't know anything. I'd love to though.

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they are likely responding to you in english out of politeness. they think it's easier for you to speak english rather than french. the next time that happens, tell them you are trying to practice your french. most french-speaking montrealers will gladly accommodate you. ah montreal...the only city in the world where "i have to stop at the caisse before we go to the dep" makes sense.

i attended french immersion from k - 12 in winnipeg. upon graduation, i found i could speak fluently, my reading comprehension was great, but my written grammar was atrocious! i moved to ottawa a few years ago and my french has improved dramatically. and i'd say i have adopted a bit of quebecois slang (and twang) as well.

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ah montreal...the only city in the world where "i have to stop at the caisse before we go to the dep" makes sense.

"A rum and coke without glass" is my favorite, which makes sense in Montreal. One of my friend tell the same, once we were at San Jose, Ca, and the waiter just froze, stating at my friend, and my friend did the same, not understanding the waiter was not understanding... muahahaha.

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As many people said here, you've got to practice in order to learn French properly. Hang out with Frenchies, watch Québec TV shows, Québec movies, listen to Québec musicm and go read the lyrics online if you don't get what the artist's saying...

I think bilinguism in Canada is more of a political thing than anything else. I mean, outside Québec and maybe New-Brunswick, you guys never have a chance to speak French. This country is so big, it's got two distinct cultures, and has always tried to mix the two together, but to no avail.

Here in Québec, French is the official language so theoretically speaking, you shouldn't *have* to speak English to get around. The Québec government has done, and is still doing, everything possible for the Québécois not to be penalized for not speaking English. It didn't stop the Québécois to learn English because it's useful in many areas of our life, especially at the international level.

You guys shouldn't be forced to learn French. You should have the choice to choose your second language. Québec and ROC will never get along anyways and it's not because ROC speaks French (a little) that Québec will step down on their intention to "divorce".

When your first language is NOT English, you're lucky because English can be picked up quite easily, and once that is done it makes 2 languages. Then a third one is even easier.

I'm proud to see you want to learn French, but as far as your Beautiful Bilingual Canada is concerned, I'm afraid your dream will never come true.

One day you'll travel to Québec and your passport will get stamped. That'll be fun!! :-)

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It's because they don't teach conversational French in school. Knowing how to conjugate verbs and knowing how to speak the language are two totally different things.

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I'm French Canadian here's a comparison chart of the 3 types of French languages for the foreigners.

French = It's like British English.
French Quebecois = Like Wingchester in MASH where he tries really hard to speak properly but isn't quite there yet.
French Canadian = Like American English.

English schools usually try to teach type 1 French which is kinda useless.
Like a British English in the US. See. In French schools they teach US english that's why it's easier for us to learn.

Hope I made things more clearly.

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*Finally* somebody who has made a correct statement! I can't stand how English people think that Quebec French is some completely different dialect, like what is spoken in Haiti or something. Give me a break. It's simply stronger accents (think a French version of Newfoundland English) with different expressions and slang. Yes, they speak quickly - but don't the Spanish as well?
If a student is in core French in Ontario, they are learning things like conjugating verbs, basics like telling time, stuff like that. But they don't have to take French past grade 9, and it doesn't get useful until after that.
I am a product of core French, and I now teach Immersion. I'm fully bilingual. An earlier poster made a snide comment about the 'twang' of the Quebec accent.
Being Canadian, I'd rather sound like a French Canadian. I'm trying to lose my so-called 'Parisian' accent. It's kind of funny - when I was in France last year, the second I opened my mouth I was asked what part of Quebec I was from, and when I'm in Quebec, I get asked what part of France I'm from!
Okay, a very long post for me. I'm not going to bother translating. Unless anyone wants it in French!

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Unless you're one of the small percentage of people who are naturally gifted with superb memory recall and for learning languages, no one can *teach* you how to speak a foreign language in weeks, months or even years. Wander on over to the Language Learning Forum. You'll find people from dozens of countries, with varying degrees of proficiency in many languages, and I don't think one of them thought they learned much of it in school/college (or that they ever reach real fluency unless they spend a lot of time/live in a foreign country or have regular conversations with others in the language).

Learning a language takes intensive and sustained work on a daily basis, and many people spend a few hours every day with a language program, in addition to doing supplemental reading of newspapers and novels, listening to radio and watching foreign language tv/movies.

No one acknowledges that schools can only give the bare-bones skeleton of a language in the time they have alloted to each subject and the number of students they have to teach. Because school is not the best place to study such a time-consuming subject, they can and do teach language for years without being able to impart the ability to have a conversation with a native in normal, unhalting speech. You may be able to read and write pretty proficiently after nine years, but speaking naturally and understanding the language when it's spoken at its normal pace are other skills altogether, ones that require time and daily conversation practice. 45 minutes every day spent on your own at home studying the language is much more effective than being one of many students in a classroom setting.

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There is something good to know about the French of the Quebecers, is that if you put aside the anglicism we use, we speak 100% French... a 16-17th century french actually. Unlike the French who had the Académie Française or French Academy, a comity of distinguished people started in the 17th century in France who decided things about the language French and cleaned up their French to make it the French that is spoken in France today, New-France was far away when that happened, like an ocean of distance, and especially when France lost the war to the British (and New-France) and the relation between New-France and France was cut off. In order words, stop fussing we do not really speak French and compare us with the French, we speak French, and I think that we speak an older form of French makes us even more interesting and therefore it is something that should kept and nurtured.


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Yeah but the thing is , in quebec , we don't speak real french XD. we like mix english and French together and we changed words up , so we call it " Quebecois" , you're never gonna learn Quebecois in school , they show you the real french , like people in paris speak. I'm from montreal , and this summer i went to paris , and i didn't understand a word that the people there said . Of course mostly because of the accent , but still , if i would speak Quebecois , they wouldn't be able to understand me , so the things that they teach you in school is the base of real french they're not going to teach you "fake" french.

French's a hard language to learn , so it's normal that you can't use it that well.

It's the same thing we french / Quebecois people , not a lot of Quebecois are bilingual , the once that are tough are from mostly from Montreal .
Go Quebec City or trois-rivieres, and you won't find much bilingual people.

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Kels,

You might THINK you speak "québecois" but you don't. You speak "French-Canadian", not "Québecois". FYI French-Canadians speak alike, not just the québecois, so the Québecois don't have a monopoly on the French language in Canada. One quarter of all french-canadians don't even live in Québec, a fact that Québecers are unaware of. The language you described in your post describes the way that a lot of French-Canadians speak, but we, who live outside of Québec also know how to speak proper French when we need to and we also understand the French from France.

A fact that many Québecers don't know is that MOST people living in Québec are NOT biligual, even though they might think they are. The education they receive in English is WAY below what is required to be considered bilingual. There was a report on a French TV show last year that explained it all. It is appalling how little English québecers learn. Just as it is appalling how little French that English Canadians learn.

I am pure French-Canadian and I was born in northern Ontario where I have lived all my life except for a few years in Toronto. I have known many Franco-Québecois through out my years and NONE of they speak a proper "Hinglish". They ALL speak with a stong accent. I speak French and English without an accent in either language, as do many if not most French-Canadians living outside of Québec.

Québecers MAY think they are bilingual, but they are not. In my opinion EVERY Canadian, French and English should be perfectly bilingual. If a person doesn't fluenlty speak both official languages of this country and is not bilingual, how can that person call him(her)self a TRUE Canadian?

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This is not exclusive to Canadian school system. There's no way you can learn to speak any language based on elementary and high school programs only without any practice/immersion outside of the classroom. It's the same for any of the subjects we learn in school. We are just taught the bare minimum just to pass some test. If I want to be fluent in the subject, I would have to study further and practice a lot.

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its so true, we watched this movie in my french class today and nobody other than my teacher who is quebecois (and so far, my only french teacher that can actually speak french) understood most of the movie. I think they should actually get french teachers that can speak french, I had a teacher once who talked about things like le chicken and le driving because she couldn't remember the words in french!

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Kitty,

For God sakes where do you live? I can't believe anyone would hire someone to teach French who can't even speak it! If you live in Canada, I don't care which province or territory, that is appalling unprofessionalism!!

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