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Film's subtle racism and stereotypes.


No, I don't want this to be a generic racism thread but I haven't gotten so offended by a movie due to stereotypes in a while. I'm half Chinese and half Puerto Rican and was so annoyed at the crappy overdone portrayal of New York. My minds a lil mixed up right now so I'll just make bullet points for the things that bothered me. Race-related or not. (Spelling errors I know)

- Yep, everyone knows if you walk around anywhere in New York at night you're BOUND to get either shot, stabbed, robbed, jumped, killed, or offered sex with a prostitute. (and in the middle of the day, you're offered illegal guns)
- I love how Jodie buys a gun, spends 5 seconds learning how it works, and PRESTO! She magically turns into a supercop with incredible aim! Dark at night and a guy driving a fast car getting ready to run you over and another girl. Nope not a problem for this strong women, she'll manage to throw the girl out of harms way, instictively pull out her gun and "BOOM HEADSHOT" the guy in the car in the middle of the night, while of course holding a the gun in a badass one handed stance.
- All mexicans wear tank-tops.......ALL WAYS.
- Black guys dont listen to radiohead!
- Another thing that made me just roll my eyes in disgust is when Jodie Foster is taking calls for her radio show and this one girl answers the phone. In the most obnoxious overdone hollywood "LATINA" accent, she says something along the lines of "yea ppl need to kno that NY aint no disneyland. We're getting our respect back!" Wow, just wow.
- "If you're gonna kill someone. Make sure the gun is legal." LOLOLOL WOW WHAT A FUNNY TWIST!!!
- I hate how everything in this movie just MAGICALLY seems to fall into place. Its extremely predictable.
- The two black guys in the subway scene was just so overdone and try-hard. I've seen every damn "ghetto" movie out there and this portrayal was so fake.
- Jodie can't play a straight women to save her life.
- Ugh, this movie screamed feminism so damn hard and obvious. Did they have to throw in "he" every single sentence when talking about the killings. You'd think they would "vigilante killer." But nope.
- This whole movie just seemed to be this drawn out stereotype filled borefest with "middle aged blonde hair blue eyed woman fights back against the big bad male minorities in NEW YORK!"

I think I'm pretty done so far. Thoughts? I'm from NY, btw.

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While you attempt to make some valid points, you have to resort to homophobia.
"Jodie can't play a straight women to save her life."
You're just as bigoted as the film-makers, if not more. Look at yourself before you attack other people. Hate comes in all guises.

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I do agree with XcardfiendX, indeed this movie is full of racism and stereotyps. Why do movies always picture women as victims, and thugs, gangstas, skinheads, etc as threats? A much more interesting point of view would have been to portray a couple of homosexuals, one skinhead and one thug (imagine Edward Norton and Snoop Dog) gently taking out their dog (probably a pitbull) in Central Park, when they get assault by crazy, violent upper-middle class women coming directly from the cast of Sex and the City. Too bad Snoop is killed and Edward trumatized, seaks for revenge... There, at least XcardfiendX feelings won't be hurt.

Come on let's be reasonable this film try so hard to be racilaly balanced that all the good guys are coming from minorities: good black cop, comprehensive black neighbour, helpfull latino girl... The only ethnicity who indeed is potrayed only badly is whites: lazy cops, drunk husband killer, violent unstable woman seeking for revenge...

So yes if we want to be the devil's advocate, this movie is stereotyped, and if one argues that stereotypes are a form of racism, maybe this movie is slightly racist, but defently not for the reasons describe by XcardfiendX. But i do not believe this link, i prefer to think that stereotypes are just concealing society problems hypocrtically.

However this was not the point of the movie. If the movie is so racially balanced it is probably to avoid the "unfair" and "misused" racial card. The point of the movie is indeed to shock, but not on racial issues. It shocks because it goes against the trend that womens trauma is purely self destructive but can be socially destructive (revenge), a feeling generally associate with men. This way the film is defenetly feminist, at least as the dictionary's definition states feminism :"a total equality between men and women".

It is interesting to see how many in this post has considered her reaction as wrong, especially self proclaimed feminists... But our socity are full of heroes seaking for retaliation that does not raw so much outcry: Dark Night, Punisher (for comic books), Man on Fire, many Bruce Willis movies (for movies)... There lies the main debate!

Many would argue that it has been done before (if it has been done i have forgotten or haven't watched it) but the alikes: "Sleeping with my enemies", "Enough" do not bring the same message. In those, women learn to defend themselves, stop the agression, in this one she goes a step further she seaks revenge.


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I'm all for any movie that promotes blowing away criminals, whether they are white, black or pink polka dotted. I don't feel bad for anyone killed while committing a crime. My sympathy is totally saved for victims and their families. The world is better off without human garbage. This was a movie, it cracks me up how people get so tweaked out over a fake movie. Everything Hollywood makes is fake, real life is never shown correctly. Get over it. Instead of wasting 2 hours watching a movie then complaining about it, go donate two hours at a convalescent home changing diapers, you will feel ten times better about yourself.

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Main Entry: fem·i·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1895
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
— fem·i·nist \-nist\ noun or adjective
— fem·i·nis·tic \ˌfe-mə-ˈnis-tik\ adjective


This way the film is defenetly feminist, at least as the dictionary's definition states feminism :"a total equality between men and women".




No, this film is definitely not feminist. The victim just happened to be a woman who was on the verge of self-destruction and tired of being afraid. Now, if a group of women had formed a vigilante group and wore pink berets and army fatigues and attacked their victims military style with fingernail files, then I could see how people can see this as a feminist film. Feminism is not about taking the law into one's own hands, roaming the streets at night and looking for scumbags to kill; it's about demanding to be seen as a worthy human being.








Truth is the weapon we fear the most.

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thanks for the laughs. whew. that was a fun rant to read. agree with you on every point -- especially the 'can't play a straight woman' one. indeed, i was watching her and thinking, if that's not a dyke (pardon the language), i don't know what is.
totally disgusting stereotypes -- not just of minorities but of nyc in general. whoever wrote this, doesn't know new york.

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what about terrance howard?.. how is he a stereotype here?... I thought he was refreshingly not....

but i agree about a few other points... mostly the killer is a he...

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Oh... my... god...

Let me get this straight, you were watching and thought "if that's not a dyke, I don't know what is"...

Then next you say, "totally disgusting stereotypes"!

HAHAHA! OMG, that has got to be one of the most convoluted, hypocritical thing I've ever read in my life!

There was NOTHING stereotypical about this FILM! What in the HELL do you people WANT? All the bad guys have to be white, all the good guys have to be white? Then what would that be?! It would be obviously reverse racism.

Erica is the most, the MOST flawed person in the movie, did you people MISS THAT?! What morons.

As other people have said before, there are black men who are cops, a black woman who is her surrogate mother, the first person she shoots is a WHITE man, a man who stands up for a white boy on the train is black!

This world is just becoming SO SICKENING. The efforts that we have made to destroy racism, how far we have come. I see this film and I CHEER and CELEBRATE how even and NON-RACIST it is! We have a wonderful performance by Terrence Howarda as a *very* moral, honest, dedicated, intelligent, compassionate, loving cop. Not just a good man, but a man with a soul so BEAUTIFUL, so wonderful, so tender, that he was willing to give up his HONOR, his CHARACTER, his OATH to protect someone he loved, and (in my opinion) to do the right thing. And some of you call it "racist".

Do you know what happens when too many people pull the race card when it's not valid? Pretty soon good people get tired of hearing it, and turn a deaf ear, and that is very, very sad. *Think* before you cry "racism"... think.


"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus

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Funny how all these members of different races appeared in the movie portraying their race the way they did...think about that and what you said.
They are portraying the side of their race they don't agree with and they wish would change.

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Another thing
All the mexicans were wearing tank tops because that's what is done in a line-up! The description she gave to the police was of a mexican in a tank top, so that's what all the men in the line-up wore.

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"No, I don't want this to be a generic racism thread but I haven't gotten so offended by a movie due to stereotypes in a while. I'm half Chinese and half Puerto Rican and was so annoyed at the crappy overdone portrayal of New York. My minds a lil mixed up right now so I'll just make bullet points for the things that bothered me. Race-related or not. (Spelling errors I know) "

Idiot little half breed twat.

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well i am originally from ny and I dont think that the movie straight too far from how we act in ny the latinos and the blacks, me being Full pr. With the exception of the over done latina on the phone it was pretty realistic. Also dont forget they werent portraying ALL mexicans or All blacks there not enough evidence to show that this was a full stereotype. Now, if every hispanic in the movie was portrayed in this light then yea or if every black was portrayed in this like than so be it... but there was a good guy black cop, and pimp hispanic (he wasnt wearing a tank-top) (Although my cousin that lives in the bronx does talk like that) You also have to understand that the minority(as in the smallest group) of the people in nyc listen to radio head so that part wasnt far fetched but a true reflection.

Yes Jodie Fosters character was a bit too good but thats why its a movie. I think your hatin on the movie just a bit much hahaha and over analyzing a little too much. I dunno I just enjoyed the movie :)

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AMEN!!!! WELL SAID!!!!

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Hmm...you know what nobody has mentioned so far?

It's not really this movie that is racist (they did a pretty good job - not the best, but pretty good - balancing it out) but that our SOCIETY is racist.

Instead of calling the movie racist and getting outraged over that, why don't we get outraged over the fact that the "American Dream" is kind of a myth to many of the poor people in this movie - it's Sociology, Nature vs. Nurture. I bet many of those thugs probably had terrible childhoods, and I'm not defending their actions AT ALL. They all deserved to be in prison forever.

However, try taking some of the outrage you felt over this movie and channeling it into trying to improve someone else's lives. Write to politicans, volunteer with charities and non-profits that work in impoverished areas, etc.


wofinance though, I must say you are a complete racist piece of s--t for calling the OP a "half breed".

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