We get it - there was racism in America decades ago - Pride (2007) Discussion

[–] MovieFreak74 17 years ago

Yea, and we get it, whites had a great life back in the 50's before Civil Rights came along. there are many white movies about history....as long as it doesn't portray anything ugly, it's great to watch right?

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[–] LoveCoates 17 years ago

a new generation of black youth - who possibly haven't even experienced racism

As someone outside the USA

the black community would take a page from the history of the Irish or Jews in early America

As a young black male, who has experienced racism, who was born and raised in the United States, and who has an Irish last name because his ancestors were owned by Irish slaveowners...I wish you weren't legally retarded.

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[–] Shenanyginz 17 years ago

have you seen this film????

this is a response to the idea that the film is ALL about racism
http://imdb.com/title/tt0475355/board/thread/70218744

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[–] malcom1985 17 years ago

If you think blacks today, old or young, haven't experienced racism, you're an idiot.

For ANYONE who thinks that racism is dead and that it's all in our minds, you're an idiot.

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[–] Shenanyginz 17 years ago

malcom1985... are u calling ME an idiot???

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[–] thekillagummybear 17 years ago

I think (I may be wrong) anyone who hasn't been sheltered all of their lives has experienced some form of racism. It can come from any race. That's the sad thing though..

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[–] TaintedinaSense 17 years ago

But so has every other race. We ALL are treated differently at some point of time or another. Okay. The Irish had it just as worse as some and even more than some. The American Indians had it by far the worst. But, just because someones white, black, or whatever...doesn't mean that they get a racism-free pass. Trust me. I am white. I have experienced racism from blacks, from other whites, from hispanics, and even asians. I don't feel any different or do I feel the need to feel pitied. Things happen because some people out there are mean, cruel, and only care about themselves. I don't blaim a the color of their skin on the fact that they are cruel, I blaim the person.

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[–] bigdoggy_dog 17 years ago

Just last week a white guy at my job, who we've all concluded is a huge racist a$$, said to me, "If a Muslim came here to work I would have nothing to do with him. I would do nothing to associate myself with him." There are plenty of people just like him of all races living in America. This country is far from getting rid of racism.

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[–] Darryl1914 17 years ago

Yeah, there sure was racism decades ago;

Thanks...I am so glad there is no more racism. But just for the record...When did it end? I didn't get the memo.

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[–] gerrywos 17 years ago

The OP has a great point,blacks are always whinging and bitching over every little aspect of modern life,when they fck up their own lives it is of course the white mans fault,
Grow up you babies

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[–] vprincejr 17 years ago

Here is an interesting fact. I'm Black. A White woman sitting in front of me said after the movie ended, "It's embarassing that we acted this way." You know the interesting thing about what happened in the movie and several decades ago was that Whites were clearly overt in their thoughts on Black people. Those type of Whites you would just stay away from and not relate with.

What gets me are the White people who are subtle in their racist ways. They're the ones who comment on imdb.com that these movies should stop. They're the ones who make comments like this on a website where they can't be seen but when you see them in public they relate with you and give you every indication that they are not racist.

Strange as it may sound I'd rather deal with the overt racists. I know what they're about and I stay away. It's the subtle racists that I'm afraid of. They're the ones that work with you and when it's time for that promotion to take place, the White person gets the nod and not the Black person. They're the ones that spend time with you but behind your back is where the racial epithets come spewing out.

I feel that movies like these are very inspirational and uplifting for anyone. And I mean ANYONE.

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[–] Shenanyginz 17 years ago

well said vprincejr... well said

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[–] ccr1633 17 years ago

"Strange as it may sound I'd rather deal with the overt racists. I know what they're about and I stay away. It's the subtle racists that I'm afraid of. They're the ones that work with you and when it's time for that promotion to take place, the White person gets the nod and not the Black person. They're the ones that spend time with you but behind your back is where the racial epithets come spewing out."
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Right. This subtle racism you speak of is so subtle, so under the radar, that it's virtually undetectable, to the point of possibly not existing. You know, you're the one who sounds racist here, because in your view anything in life that doesn't go your way, which involves caucasians, is necessarily attributable to racism. You're just have to going to face the fact that in some instances there are just white people who are more qualified, smarter, and stronger than you are. But no, it's far easier to attribute all your shortcomings to racism, isn't it? Your mentality on race relations is part of the problem, a large part.

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[–] bigdoggy_dog 17 years ago

vprincejr just hit the nail on the head.

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[–] ufo_sk8r 17 years ago

Racism most definitely does exist. But I want to speak a little about something we're forgetting here. And that is, minorities in this country using race as a get out of jail free card. Now, I'll go ahead and say I'm a white middle class guy and I do not suffer from this condition that some of you refer to as "White Guilt" because honestly I have nothing to feel guilty about. Some of you speak of people being closed to change, well let me ask first what do you consider change? Let me ask you and answer me honestly, do you honestly mean an America where everybody is truly equal regardless of skin color, or do you mean we should make it to where everybody in the country but white people get all the benefits? Look at things like political correctness and affirmative action, how can anybody who speaks of equality not find those two things racist?

I mean I'm not saying I go around referring to black people by the N word or anything, I'm just saying I do not treat anybody different in any way because of their skin color. Have things happened to me that should make me racist? Yes. For instance a black person went through my stuff one day and stole $25 from me. Were they caught yes? Punished? No. Not punished because the principal of the almost all white school I went to did not want to look racist by punishing one of the only three blacks there. Now if it had been up to me, they would have been beaten to a pulp and I would have given two tenths of a damn if anybody reffered to me as a racist as a result. Why? Because it had nothing to do with race, that person invaded my property (actually, unzipped my backpack, took out the pants I'd worn to school (this was during gym class by the way, I don't carry pants around in my backpack for the heck of it), unfolded them, looked through the pockets, pulled out my wallet, unbuttoned it, and pulled the money out) and one of the deepest circles of Hell is reserved for thieves.

Is that a true story? Yes. But am I hateful towards black people for it? No. I understand that criminals come in all colors. A few more things far more valuable to me than money to get gas and get home from school that day were stolen from me that same year by a white person. However he wasn't punished either because unlike the other instance I mentioned there wasn't a video of him doing it. There was no proof at all besides my gut feeling.

Ultimately racism is still VERY alive today, let me tell you another instance. Two years ago when I was a sophomore in high school, a group of 20 something black guys beat two white kids within an inch of their lives and left them permanently damaged for the white kids using racial slurs to talk about them the night before at a party. Did they get jail time? Oh of course not, because punishing them would have just been another way for the white devil to get the innocent black kids down. Yeah, ok, even after ALL of the witnesses (black, white, and hispanic) say the black guys showed up to the party uninvited and were looking for trouble and that the white guys in question said nothing even close to what they were accused of.

That's a true story and it made headline news on CNN. Ok, I realize I sound VERY racist right now, but I'm using these stories as an example to say that skin color aside, I don't think we should live in a world where it's acceptable to beat people half to death or steal from them and get away with it for ANY reason. Skin color or not. I mean I think the two white guys who beat Matt Shepard got off way too easily by not being sentenced to death for their crimes. I think racism should be one of if not the number one issue in this country.

Have white people made mistakes in the past? Yes we have, but that is no excuse for anybodyin this country to use race as an excuse for a problem that is happening in the present. Not today, not now when we have so much else to worry about.

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[–] quinn_larkins 17 years ago

"And that is, minorities in this country using race as a get out of jail free card."

That is ridiculous. The more money you have for your lawyers, the more fame you have, and/or the more political connections you have, the better your chances are that you won't be sent to prison.

"Look at things like political correctness and affirmative action, how can anybody who speaks of equality not find those two things racist?"

They are not racist, they are protections against racism for minorities. If there wasn't rampant discrimination against blacks in the past, things like affirmative action wouldn't be necessary. So don't blame me and other blacks today for the effects of the racsim from past whites.

"Oh of course not, because punishing them would have just been another way for the white devil to get the innocent black kids down. ... Ok, I realize I sound VERY racist right now, but I'm using these stories as an example to say that skin color aside, I don't think we should live in a world where it's acceptable to beat people half to death or steal from them and get away with it for ANY reason. Skin color or not."

I don't know what country you live in, but according to statistics blacks are arrested more than any other race in america, and we are sentenced to prison at a higher rate than any other race. Studies show that you are more likely to go to jail for committing a crime against a white person than you are for committing a crime against a black person. So I don't see how you can say being black is a get out of jail free card when there's so many who are locked up. I think you need to do some research and realize the country is bigger than your high school experience.

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[–] R_One_XI 17 years ago

Okay...to those who would oversimplify the word 'racism',allow one person to offer an opinion...the reason in some cases,just in my opinion,that films like this are being released is referring to an old adage,'Those who do not learn history are bound (or subject) to repeat it...';the problem is NOT in the contempt prior to investigation,but rather in the lack of learn those lessons now and perpetuating the myth of racism being a singular entity...let's play it out for what it really is...there is only ONE race-the HUMAN race,yet in western civilization we get caught up in all of these labels,trying so much to be unique that we forget how much we ALL suffer when we fail to look at ALL of history,the good and the ugly sides of it.We want to roll our eyes when we hear of movies like Pride and Glory Road,yet we cheer when we see films like Fearless,and we get so divided behind the fact that it's just one aspect of how we,as a HUMAN race,have continually perpetuated 'racism',not just by color of skin (although some will continue to express and/or experience that one),but by anything that makes me different from you,i.e. belief system,socioeconomic background,etc. I'd ask that before any of us made our next response to this thread,we listen to a song...specifically the chorus of the Nickelback song,"If Everyone Cared"...and these words are coming from a perma-tan human,and probably one of the darkest rednecks you'd ever meet-unless of course,you come to one of my family reunions...hopefully that last set of comments brings a smile or two,if not a skeptic stare...

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[–] jackmuley 17 years ago

I laugh that everyone says, "I'm not going to listen to this person since they're not living in the US." Isntead, why don't you just sit and listen for once? Americans seem to be convinced that they know more than any other country in the world, despite being probably the laziest nation. They assume that since we have the most powerful military, our opinion is the only one that matters.

But racisim exist outside of the United States, regardless of how little you may know about it. And I know I'm going to get a bunch of hate for saying this, cause God Bless America, but it's true. American's are disliked internationally because they think they know everything when they've never been anywhere to learn about something other than themselves.

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[–] car7186 17 years ago

"As someone outside the USA, it's amazing to observe this enormous inferiority complex that blacks seem to have in that country... I wish the black community would take a page from the history of the Irish or Jews in early America - it's a road map for success in the USA."

"I laugh that everyone says, "I'm not going to listen to this person since they're not living in the US." Isntead, why don't you just sit and listen for once?"

Because the statement by the OP was over generalized and incredibly naive. The statement could be read that blacks, like the Irish or the Jews, came over to America for a better life with our families and country intact and with a map to success in our back pocket. And then somewhere along the line we took the wrong path and ended up with an "enormous inferiority complex".

Obviously this is not the case. In the case of the Irish or Jews they know where they came from, they know what language they spoke, they know of their customs from their countries, and could probably trace their family tree farther back than 1800. African slaves did not have that luxury. We were brought here by force, forced to change our names, our language, our customs, our religion, families split and sold to different owners, etc. And then to be treated pretty much like a child or a pet for 400 years would pretty much give any group of people a inferiority complex.

Also like most people the OP probably only sees the two extremes. The very rich (Oprah, rappers, etc,) or the very poor. But there is a large and growing population of middle and upper middle class that very few people see or want to see because, truth be known, its just not that glamourous.

"Americans seem to be convinced that they know more than any other country in the world, despite being probably the laziest nation."

It's funny but I usually see it as the other way around. I see the avg. American as being more curious abt. other countries than anything else. We ask a lot of questions. And we are far from being the laziest nation, well thats just silly. We couldn't keep up our giant military complex if we were just sitting around watching TV and eating potato chips.

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[–] Bbrit1776 17 years ago

just because racism was years ago dosent mean anything. it is still going on today. so open ur damn eyes and lok around. u see more black men in jail than any other race. why is that because the whites are being racist against the blacks.

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[–] papibear 17 years ago

a new generation of black youth - who possibly haven't even experienced racism

I literally laughed out loud at this part.

You're funny.

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[–] its_just_a_movie 17 years ago

A) Agreed: what a tool.
B) Racism is everywhere EVEN OUTSIDE AMERICA! What a shock. I'm from Australia and we are guilty of terrible acts of racism in history and present. A film dealing with issues of race is universal not just American so "outside of the USA" is completely irrelevant.

C)Cliched sports movies though.....maybe we can bash those?
D)Its a movie, is he visiting every TV show/movie remake going "you used to be a TV show...we get it" - maybe he is just racist?

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[–] snowbunny2007 17 years ago

a new generation of black youth - who possibly haven't even experienced racism

The OP is an idiot. I don't know where to begin. Maybe the title, that led me here. Just last week, when speaking about Obama, a white woman spoke out loud and said she would never vote for a black man as president, because he was black and for no other reason.

Everyone in the world feels as if they've been a victim of racism, sexism, ageism, whichever.

That's not even the point of the movie, it's a movie about this man and his team and how they overcame an obstacle.

Just by saying it was decades ago doesn't change anything. The people who were racist in 1973 are more than likely still racist today. That's my father's generation, it's not like racism is this lost antique of a concept that no one will ever experience again.

Why did this person post that?

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