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Why make sequels to movies that had happy endings … and that ENDED!!!!??


Ok this is what makes me very agitated:

Disney has started to make sequels, and even thirds (such as this case) for movies that ended!!!!! With a happy ending!!! Cinderella got her guy, end of story, you don’t have to retell it with the tang line “what if” because we all know what the *beep* is going to happen, she will get the guy AGAIN!!!!!! Why the *beep* would you rune a perfectly great movie with having sequels that, frankly, are not all up to par?

Why doesn’t Disney spend its money and time making sequels (if their creators have no more imagination to come up with new ideas) for films that have room for said sequels!!!!????

Just here me out, they did a sequel to Little Mermaid, didn’t need one, the sequel to the Lion King was just a money maker, it wasn’t necessary, Lady and the Tramp 2 as well as Peter Pan 2 were both cute in their Disney way, but were not necessary!!!!!! We have Mulan 2, Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, and Lilo and Stich 2. There are so many others that I simply cannot name them all. Now look at the movies that Disney could actually justify making sequels to:

The Sword and the Stone, ok this one is a little off the Arthur legend, but for the purpose they have that huge legend to play around with, why no Lancelot or Galahad movies? What about the Knights of the Round Table? Mim isn’t dead; she could be a potential villain, perhaps in Cahoots with Morgan (the “bad character in some of the legends).

Robin Hood, this one may be a bit trickier, but I am sure that there would be a way of playing with it to come out with a halfway good sequel.

And my most irritated suggestion: The Great Mouse Detective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok so what the hell? The Great Mouse Detective is called the ADVENTURES of the Great Mouse Detective … why the hell hasn’t a sequel been thought up? After all it goes strait off of the Sherlock Holms stores!!!!! There are thousands of story lines to choose from!!!!! But no, instead we need a sequel to the Fox and the Hound.

I just don’t understand why Disney continues to produce sequels to stories that ended … period; they had happy endings and no loose ends. I don’t get how there are some Disney movies (the ones mentioned above) that had loose ends that Disney isn’t even touching or considering making sequels for but the ones that are done they keep digging up and re directing them … grrrrrrr!!!!

Does anyone agree or am I just being too nit picky of a children’s franchise? Also, why isn’t Disney creating new movies? I would really like to see a Disney version of Beowulf, or Sir Gawain … in the old-fashioned Disney animation way, pixar and all the new hi tech animation is cool and all but I like the way that the “old school” animation looks.

So what do you all think?


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Well, I think little children might want to see their favourite charcters once again and see what happens to them.

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But shouldn’t “and they lived happily ever after” give the little kids a clue that nothing should happen to them, they should be content and happy …. Hence the “happily ever after” part. I just think that kids need to understand that things end. If these characters were real (and this is going to sound stupid and weird but just go with me on this 0_o ;D ) then it must suck having you’re happily ever after yanked away from you and you having to jump through a whole new and more improved bunch of hoops to get it back … you know what I mean?

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I think what bothers me about the movie is that Lady Tremaine and the stepsisters aren't SUPPOSED to know about the fairy godmother and how she helped Cinderella and that the prince, the king, and everyone in the kingdom aren't SUPPOSED to know about that either. What's the point of Cinderella being so special if the whole kingdom knew she had help from a fairy godmother? It could have very well been any poor girl in the kingdom that received that kind of help. The characters in the story are supposed to think that there was something special about the girl Prince Charming picked but they weren't supposed to know why. Everybody at the wedding saw the undoing of everything Lady Tremaine did.

I also don't like when the characters don't stay within the "time" of the story. If Cinderella was supposed to take place during the 16th or 17th century, why is it that they talk like kids do today (okay, I know the financial answer but if Disney chose to redo a movie based on a person living in a particular time, they need to stick with that time reference). I don't particularly care for hearing Cinderella say "Whatever!" to one of her stepsisters (if memory serves me correctly, she said it in Cinderella 2) or the prince using a tone modern-day teenagers would use. I already have to use suspension of disbelief to enjoy a fairytale. I think this is how Disney "cheapens" the original. My memories of the originals are still intact because I remember where I was when I first saw them. But like someone said, I would like to see Disney tap into some more of the Hans Christian Anderson and Grimm Brothers tales. Disney is like the Bill Gates of children's entertainment (don't quote me on that). They can afford to wait a while longer to put out a quality movie while some of their best talent get together to develop another fairy tale. Stop being greedy, feed the needy.

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eightiesgirl87 , well said!!! That’s exactly my problem as well, and that was me who brought up the brothers grim and Hans!!!! What do you think of Disney doing a movie (old school animated) of Ruplesiltskin?

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I'd definitely watch it, Collinwood! Rumplestiltskin, Jorinda and Joringle, The Twelve Dancing Princesses, etc. Disney could make a grip on these. But then they'd have to leave them alone because I don't want to see sequels of these movies. I can understand that Disney made a few flops in the past but what they need to do is step up with another original. If they keep putting them out there, they'll be sure to get another winner, thus creating another classic. Keep throwing out the seeds, and a few will sprout. But don't just give up and keep beating the life out of the classics, Disney! What Disney needs is a Joe Rohde of 2D animation - somebody who can do what Expedition Everest did for Animal Kingdom in the film division.

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Again well said, I feel sorry for the kids that are growing up now. At the rate that Disney is going they will never have a great Disney hit like we are used to, and they won’t learn that stories do end.


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I feel sorry for the kids too, Collinwood. I've noticed that Disney does the same thing in their parks as well. They get rid of popular rides people beg them not to get rid of in favor of another Dumbo or carnival type ride that goes around and around. I feel it's ironic that a company that has built itself on getting folks to use their imaginations more are lacking in the imagination department themselves. Not a good selling point, I'll tell ya. But my purpose for going to Disney World isn't all about the parks anyway. I'm just waiting for Disney (and their consumers) to have the good sense to be jaded already.

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Well and in Disney's defense, a lot of film corporations that started out as children movies have turned to mindless ones. I grew up in the 80s and early 90s when filmmakers didn’t try to desensitize kids; I grew up with All Dogs Go to Heaven, Secret of NIMH, Something Wicked This Way Comes, Return to OZ, the Black Caldron. These movies were pretty scary, but I think that they were absolutely fine to watch as a child, now-a-day’s filmmakers try to keep children’s shows cutsie wootsie and such. Disney keeps this up by bringing sequel after sequel out. There are so many Disney stories with open endings that are just waiting for a sequel, but Disney just wants the ones that ended … so strange.


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Get ready for more...Little Mermaid 3 comes out soon too

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LOL, Ariel will probably be a grandmother in this one...

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O_o I am seriously going to have an aneurism over that!!!! This cannot be happening … but it is!!! AHAHAHHHHHHHHH


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Oh sweet, I guess we can all breath a sigh of relief:

“The Little Mermaid III is an animated feature film, a second direct-to-video sequel to the 1989 animated film The Little Mermaid after 2000's The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea, scheduled for release on November 20, 2007[1]. It was once said to be cancelled, but the rumor was debunked after the October 2006 Platinum Edition DVD release of The Little Mermaid was revealed to include a sneak peek of the film.[2]
It should also be noted that, due to the wishes of new Chief Creative Officer, John Lasseter, this is set to be the final direct-to-video WDFA sequel (though not necessarily the end of direct-to-video originals).[3]” Wikipedia Little Mermaid III


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If this is true, then I am definitely doing my happy dance on the inside.

RIP Disney sequels: 1994-2007. You will be missed by someone, I'm sure...just not me...

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their only re-making th classics. i can't wait for song of the south 2

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I'm so glad they weren't fast enough to make a sequel to Robin Hood! What else didn't get the sequel thing? Aristocats...Pinocchio...Black Cauldron. I'm sure there are others. Snow White...The Great Mouse Detective...am I forgetting any? Home on the Range, Treasure Planet (although those are about as good as the sequels). Did I miss any?



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it would be great to have a fourth cinderella movie.

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I enjoyed the sequel to Mulan, the original gave space for a sequel. The Little Mermaid sequel was pretty good as well, but I didn't like Cinderella II. Really bad sequel. The Aladdin sequels were pretty good as well. The Lion King 2 was a very good sequel and underrated to boot. The Lion King 1 1/2 was BAD. Really bad. And a ripoff.

As for Disney, it's DISNEY. Their movies are directed towards children who don't mind there being a second story. Just take them as they are, and don't dislike them automatically just because they are a sequel to something else. It would be nice if there were more American animators that dealt with more serious-themed animations though.

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i want a cinderella 4.

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Me too. I hope it shows the grandchildren the king so wants.

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me too.

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yeah. woudn't be werid when they made cinderella 4 it should cinderella and the prince having sex.

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acefrehley213 keep up the good work.

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He's better than you.

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okay i'm sorry.

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Copyright. Disney can't let any of its characters fall into public domain, so they make new (and crappy) sequels and do their best to include every single character from the original.

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This is just my assumption, but maybe a good reason for these sequels is to give today's animators a chance to leave their touch on some of the classics that they grew up watching and enjoyed. And it would be vandalism to add to or alter the old Disney classics that were made before the 1990's.

I do see your point though, and I agree that Disney should show some more originality and let "Happily Ever After" be exactly that.

Also, I would like to see sequels to "The Sword and the Stone" and "Robin Hood." Like for "Sword in the Stone 2," Arthur would be still be under Merlin's teachings as he assembles his knights of the round table and discovers love after meeting Lady Guenevere (certain things that echo back to what Merlin mentioned in the first "Sword in the Stone"). And "Robin Hood 2" could be about Prince John getting revenge against Robin Hood by kidnapping Maid Marian, and a sub plot with Sir Hiss and the Sheriff having to redeem themselves to King Richard.

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The thing about Disney sequels is that most of them are rather silly and don't live up to the originals, but once in awhile they do give one that is decent and engaging.

For example, the Lion King 2 was very good. It showed Simba's insecurities taking over his father's position, a Romeo and Juliet romance, and was pretty well handled.

In some cases, like with Mulan 2, they probably figured "Oh, there's a loose end (like Mulan not actually having been married yet) which we can use to get more milage".

Of course, a lot of it has to do with success. The Black Cauldron had a princess and magic and dark scary stuff, but wasn't very well known or remembered. Disney could have followed up with one of the other books in the series, but probably looked at the reception and said "Nope, not worth the time."

Now a part of the success would, in my opinion, have to do with how the original was handled. What I mean is this: to me, Cinderella 3 was pretty good, as far as Disney sequels went. The time travel concept was a bit silly, but other than that it was entertaining. A large part of it, to me, was the fleshing out of the characters. We see a stronger, more courageous side to Cinderella and watch her overcome some obstacles herself, we see Anastasia stand up to her mother and show to that she's a good person at heart, we see more of the Prince, and heck we even learn more about the king and his deceased wife. All this is possible because when Disney made the original, they didn't have that much on the characters in there. Don't get me wrong, the original was beautiful. But it was a bit more flat, like the characters in a fairy tale (unlike later Disney characters, who had traits added to make them more realistic).

Now, when Disney did the midquel to Beauty and the Beast, it was also charming, but got a bit tedious at points. To me, that's because the original movie already developed things quite nicely. We see Belle's strong and weak sides, we know about the Prince/Beast, we see their personalities, we can attribute more to their relationship than love at first sight. It's what made the movie so spectacular. But it also leaves the midquel with little to add or reveal. It does its best, but there's only so many ways to have the Beast be a jerk (albeit, a manipulated one in the midquel), Belle get in a misunderstanding with him, the two fight and sulk, and then they reconcil in an "Awe, how sweet!" moment (not to mention the servants driving home the fact that the must fall in love).

And of course "The Little Mermaid 2" was just weird because it sort of served as a memorial to how Disney veered off of the source material for the ending (in the story, the mermaid dies, thus there's no chance of her having a child for a sequel).

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For example, the Lion King 2 was very good. It showed Simba's insecurities taking over his father's position, a Romeo and Juliet romance, and was pretty well handled.


I agreed.

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I so agree with the points made, my irritation points now are all the re-imaginings of the SAME F#@%^ing movie! If it ain't broke don't fix it you flaming idiot! Right?

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