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SKINWALKERS ARE NOT WEREWOLVES


Thank you hollywood for destroying an amazing Navajo Native American folk tale.

The only person I've seen post here who actually knows what a skin walker is is framingtonkrawler, thank you for having knowledge on the subject (or should i say title) of the movie.

PLEASE before you see this movie, read about what a skinwalker actually is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin-walker_%28mythology%29 has some good information.

I got excited when my friend told me they were making a movie about skinwalkers...I thought that for once, someone was making an original horror movie.

I was wrong.

This movie looks just like Underworld &Van Helsing.

It could have been amazing too...

oh well.

-Kristin

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Anybody see a movie called "Wolfen"? It was one of my favorites growing up, prior to all the special effects. Indians actually turned into wolves to hunt and survive in the city, attacking and killing the ill and weak. That has always been my impression of a "Skinwalker".

I have not seen the film but I look forward to its release as I enjoy the escape of reality that movies provide for the amount of time they run in the theater. Movies are stories with moveing pictures ment to ignite the imagination not replace it. At least that is my opinion.

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Doesn't really matters if they scr#$%ed with a Navajo legend or not, thou' if I were Navajo, I'd probably feel different. The point is, this is not a good movie. Not at all; the script is messy, the settings... don't even get me started... even the presence of Elias Koteas (whom I admired in The Prophecy) didn't change it for this flick. I mean it's not utter crap or anything, it's just another movie with blood, sex, guns vampires/werewolves/zombies* (choose what you like) that has absolutly nothing to offer in terms of quality entertainment and plausibility, unlike maybe Planet Terror, From Dusk Till Dawn, or 28 Days Later, or The Descend. So don't sweat it guys, it's just not worth it.

(sorry for any mistakes, english is my second language, so have mercy :))

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skinwalkers are of the same substance as cupacobrais (sp). Pure BS myths with no factualy evidence to back them up. People back then didn't know jack about science, hell people thought that a firey realm existed underneigth our feet.

If this messing with your myths makes your mad, just go see something else. Really noone gives a rats arse about stories told to you by your grama.

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It's spelled "chupacabras." And, many people (myself among them) believe they are just as real as Yeti/Sasquatch and the Loch Ness Monster.

"Here endeth the lesson."
---Sean Connery

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Don't forget the ufo's... the ufo's.

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For the people who are telling others to "get over it"(or some form of that expression), it's obvious you condone this type of cultural appropriation white people do towards non-white folks. It doesn't matter if someone who isn't upset isn't Navajo, it's the fact that Hollywood has a history of taking other ethnicities and cultures and either tampering with them or putting "white-face" on them. This movie, if it had followed the legend of the Skinwalkers, could have been a great intro to the Navajo culture for the general populace, or even just opening up interest in other Native American cultures. But once again the Man has stomped all over the Native American without a care. History sure does love to repeat itself.

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Actually, European lycanthropes were not all of one particular flavor. One in particular (I want to say Greek or German...have a G in my head on it for some reason) used a belt of wolfskin to change at will. Granted, it was a magic belt given by a Dark Power, but...not so very different from the NA myth, which for the most part has the `witch' using a skin of their particular animal form in order to change.

Also, if you want to get picky...`Skinwalkers' is an English term, which I sincerely doubt is the same as in Navajo or any NA language. So, really, how are we taking NA beliefs and perverting them for the masses, when the term isn't NA? Now, if they'd called the movie "Chupucabra" and had the monsters as werewolves, okay, I can see Hispanic people getting upsetting. But calling it "Werecats" and using feline lycanthropes?

If they'd used the Navajo or any NA language term for the witches who changed, sure...get upset. Fact is, they used an English language term which is obviously fitting for the myth involved.

But some people will use any excuse to get upset. I just wish it were occasionally more meaningful. You want to get upset over treatment of Native Americans? Check out what Spitzer is up to in New York state. Trust me, there's a whole lot more going on that's way more worthy of getting upset over than the title of a movie.

"I know you got guts...I can see 'em!" Norbert Sykes

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Okay guys, from one true blooded Navajo to everyone here... Take a deep breath.

Skinwalkers are a great Navajo legend passed down. There are many stories; even some of my friend’s uncles say they have seen them. Personally, I think he was drunk, and when I said this to my friend... he laughed and agreed.
His uncle said that one night he saw a man on the side of the road. He almost stopped to pick him up, but something in him told him to keep driving. A minute later, he looked in his rearview window and saw the man running after the car, so he sped up. He reached 55 and figured he had well lost the man. But he turned to look at his left side-view and saw the man sitting running alongside the car. He yelled and pushed the car as fast as he could. Finally losing the man. The next day, after the sun had risen, he went to look at his car and found several large scratches on the door handle, as if some wild animal had tried to open the door, but was stopped by its claws.

Skinwalkers in Navajo legend are represented by Coyote, the trickster. So it is not a big leap to go from that to the wolves, hence werewolves in this dumb*** movie.

I am disappointed that they are making a movie called skinwalkers that is so blatantly unrealistic to my culture. And yes, I am upset that it has none of the legends I grew up with in it, but I'll live.

You say that my culture is being stomped on; some idiot got the idea to write a crappy horror movie about werewolves. What offends me most as a Navajo is that it won't be able to measure up to "Silver Bullet" which still remains the best and scariest werewolf movie I ever saw.

As to the comment about history repeating itself. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, we have been treated badly by "white men" (which I find the term offensive, and always have) but we are talking about history, it is in the past. It happened to my ancestors. Yes, it is sad that it happened, but it did happen, nothing can be done to change the past. And saying Hollywood is the "Man", and the "Man" is stomping on my culture is plane ignorance. You're comparing a stupid movie to the Long Walk.
It is not "white man" who is stomping all over the Navajo people, but our own corrupt government. Meaning the Navajo Nation, not the US government. All the money that should go to the people is only going to line the government officials’ pockets. If you really want to stop someone from stomping on us, look no further than the Navajo Nation’s president.

Amanda

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sb_girl, you said: "Yes, we have been treated badly by "white men" (which I find the term offensive, and always have)"

I'm a very curious German/Gaelic American (whose ancestors had settled in Appalachia) who would really like to know why you find the term "white men" offensive, esp. if you are Navajo. I'd think that it wouldn't matter too much to a Navajo what a white person like me was called.

I'm fascinated.

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My mom is german/dutch/irish/cherokee and my father is Navajo. I grew up with both side of the argument, but I am mostly indian. I grew up with my mom, and find it offensive that people call her white and me Navajo. It made me feel like they were trying to seperate us, like she didn't deserve to have me. That's why I find it offensive.

I hope that answers your question.

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HI Amanda,

I am a Lakota and I replied to someone else that I had thought that this subject was not suppose to be talked about (can't remember who told me). Since you are Dine you would know. This is an old topic, but I would still like to know.



Put this in your signature if you are an atheist and not afraid to say it.

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I agree, everyone tries to turn this stuff into a "race/racist" thing. I just posted here however long ago that was and let it pass. If people choose to be ignorant, it's their own problem, there's nothing I can do to stop them.

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I realise this is 8 years later, but great story sb_girl500; if my uncle told me that story I would think twice about driving along that road at night!!!

On a similar theme, when I was about 14 (I am now in my 50s) there was a deserted mansion called Overcourt, several miles from where I lived, that was reputed to have several ghosts haunting its extensive grounds; including a grey lady and a white horse. One night, greatly daring with a group of friends, I walked to the mansion and approached the mansion's grounds from the rear through a wood and a meadow. I crawled through a hedge next to a tree and on emerging at the other side I looked up and saw a huge white horse towering over me on it's hind legs. I immediately cried out in terror and backed out of the hedge and ran as fast as I could with my friends trailing behind me. For 40 years I have believed I saw the ghost horse. Two years ago I was reading about Overcourt, and found out that it contains a deer park famous for having white deer that stand on their hind legs to reach the leaves (or fruit) of the lower branches of trees!!!! I felt an idiot; but that night I saw what I was half expecting to see. Such is often the way with ghosts and legends.

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Dude , this isn`t even a Hollywood movie.It`s a Canadian film distributed by Lionsgate.

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who cares? neither exist so why get all uppity about it?

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None of us have ever seen a germ with the naked eye. Yet, everyone believes in their existence, and how dangerous they can be!

"What you don't see is sometimes scarier than what you do see."
--Val Lewton

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what? are you serious? take off the makeup and grow up.

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A little OT.

Try not to cite wikipedia as a truly legit source. Most anybody can log in and write anything about anything until someone goes in to edit it. Even then the original comment may have been correct and the edit is false.


Taken from the site itself:

"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia collaboratively written by many of its readers. It is a special type of website, called a wiki, that makes collaboration easy. Many people are constantly improving Wikipedia, making thousands of changes an hour, all of which are recorded on article histories and recent changes. Inappropriate changes are usually removed quickly, and repeat offenders can be blocked from editing."

I'm not going to negate the original subject, just the source some posters choose to use.

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Besides, werewolf is a generalized term now. Its not really a distinctive mystical creature, more of a term used to describe creatures like that.

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Yeah, SKINWALKERS ARE NOT WEREWOLVES.
But I can understand how someone at, first glance, without researching as much as they should have, would think so. I borrowed 'The Slayer's Guide To Vampires' a while back, which had legends, stories, accounts, and clippings from around the world and through the ages. It was about vampires mostly, but werewolves (the two are sometimes indistinguishable), zombies, ghosts, and such were in it too. Skinwalkers were in it as well.
Yes, when MAKING A DAMN MOVIE one should RESEARCH LIKE HELL, but still, they're kinda close, but it sounds like a bad movie anyway ...

Peter:
Hiro:
Noah:
Claire:
Mr. Walker:
Simone:
Nathan:
Candice:
Ted:
Isaac:
Niki/Jessica:
Thompson:
Sanjog (Dream-walky kid):
Mohinder and Sylar:

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how do you know all that? have you seen the movie?? besides a skinwalker may be a werewolf, it maybe other things too...so.

check out the trailer i think it rocks and am looking forward to seeing it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbVkKpTyQKY

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I won't pretend to know anything about skin walker myths, but I can't imagine that the differences between skin walkers and the movie's "skinwalkers" are much greater than the differences between Werewolves and the "werewolves" we've been seeing since The Wolf Man.

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