SKINWALKERS ARE NOT WEREWOLVES - Skinwalkers (2007) Discussion

[–] sweetamanda719 17 years ago

Here's a bit of that wikipedia page you mentioned:

"Similar creatures can be found in numerous cultures' lores all over the world, closely related to beliefs in werewolves (also known as lycanthropes) and other "were" creatures (which can be described as therianthropes)."

So how is it so off-target to make a skinwalkers movie about werewolves? Even if there is some creative license taken, who cares, it's a fictional story, based on mythology. There are no hard facts to begin with, only legends (which are constantly changing anyway.)

Got Werewolves?
SKINWALKERS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuFHxankvkM

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[–] EWitsKristin 17 years ago

yes, I understand that they are closely related, but it still bothers me because the two are still different.

My friends Navajo grandmother told me stories about them, and the look on her face as she told the stories was absolutely horrifying. She honestly believes they exist and nearly made me believe as well.

I'm not saying the movie will be bad by any means, I am just upset that I got excited for something that wasn't what the title made it seem.

I understand not every one knows of the skin walker folklore or has heard stories from an aged Navajo women, but I'm sure if they had they would be disappointed as well.

I still plan on seeing the movie, because movies ALWAYS have the ability to prove people wrong when they make assumptions about it before even seeing it (BUG (2007), anyone?), but I do wish someone would make an accurate movie about this fascinating folk tale.

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[–] gormly 17 years ago

>>"yes, I understand that they are closely related, but it still bothers me because the two are still different. "

Ok, so you've proved that you are selfish and biased in your opinions...

Please don't post how someone wasn't true to something unless you know WTF you are talking about. Just because it didn't fit YOUR pre-conceived notion of a "skinwalker" doesn't make it "wrong"

There are double meanings behind almost all words, phrases and labels.

Skin walker isn't exclusively "Navajo"

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[–] BigRich 17 years ago

That's so true what you said.

It's like saying, "Nooo, it's Sasquatch (Native American word I'm guessing), NOT Bigfoot!!"

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[–] smegma23 17 years ago

And YOU! Look at your friggin' SIGNATURE LINE! And you're complaining about people taking exceptions to terms of identity or particular culture! What the FOJA? Are you a veteran? A marine? Suppose a new movie got significant facts wrong about the USMC? Jebus friggin' cripes, man, have some respect for other people's cultural identity, or at least don't friggin' SCOLD them for having one! OMFG.

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[–] smegma23 17 years ago

BigRich, whose signature line reads: "Every person that served can be called a veteran, but not every veteran can be called a Marine."

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[–] gonzo_don 16 years ago

You can't pay any attention to jar-heads. They always think they're right.

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[–] smegma23 17 years ago

I am utterly disgusted by this response. The original poster has a claim, not in the slightest disproved by anything posted here or in Wikipedia, that Hollywood has, once again, appropriated and bastardized somebody's culture. The fact that "skinwalker" is not exclusively a Navajo myth does not mean that the word doesn't have a real meaning, or a limited number of related meanings. You don't make a movie called "Werewolf" and fill it with people who turn to nuthatches every transit of Venus, because "werewolf" means something about wolves and full moons, and you can't just commandeer it and make it mean what you want and say it's a "double meaning".

In its endless thirst to present the same old scary story dressed up in a new hat, Hollywood often steals cultural myths, legends, and lore and then ignores the important or unique parts. What makes a skinwalker a skinwalker? Will this movie tell us? From the preview this movie DOES look precisely like Underworld and similar recent werewolf-y or vampir-y movies; had I not seen this post I wouldn't have known it had anything to do with Native American myth. Why? Because it's a false trapping. Because somewhere in the movie somebody says "It's a Navajo thing, you wouldn't understand" and that's all you get. It's nonsense, and the oririnal poster has every right in the world to call it nonsense. And you call HER "selfish and biased"? Incredible. Do you have ANY cultural values of your own? Any identity? Maybe you'd be complaining too if somebody made a new movie in which Super Mario was an Indonesian junkie drag queen.

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[–] tomgibson 16 years ago

What about Manimal?

Seriously though, when I saw the word Skinwalker, I immediately thought 'werewolf'. Yes, I know skinwalkers can change into other animals and cast magical curses, but who cares? It's fiction based on fiction.

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[–] igregward 16 years ago

Skin walker isn't exclusively "Navajo" ---gormly

Um... actually, skinwalker is exclusively a Navajo legend. Try living in Arizona some time, you'll learn a few things. Ask any other Native here and they'll tell you it's Navajo and they'll get insulted if you ask them about skinwalkers, like it's a legend of their people. It's not White Mountain Apache. It's not Hopi. It's not Yaqui. It's not Pima. It's not Yavapai. It's an exclusively Navajo thing.

Just so you don't embarrass yourself next time.

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[–] BobFlame 15 years ago

Um...actually , it`s not exclusively Navajo.The Hopi also have a variation on the "skin walker" legend . The Navajo Version is simply the most famous . And , I say legend because that`s all it is . There are no real "skinwalkers" walking around .

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[–] igregward 11 years ago

I have never heard of the Hopi having a skinwalker legend, but since they are surrounded by Navajo land, I guess that would make sense.

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[–] klittlewolf63 16 years ago

I find that doubtful, but I am Lakota and not Dine', so I can be certain but as far as I know you are not suppose to even talk about the subject let alone say the word.

Put this in your signature if you are an atheist and not afraid to say it.

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[–] NexusIcon 15 years ago

so you're slagging the film off for being 'about werewolves' not skinwalkers, wihout actually seeing it?
is it possible that as the 2 are 'closely related' but most people have never heard of skinwalkers then the marketing machine decides to use better known terminology.

without the mention of werewolves many would be expecting some kinds of flesh eating insect!

and how exactly do you make an 'accurate' ovie about miyth & folklore??, you're friends navajo grandma's stories will be different from her cousins stories will be different from the stories of another unrelated navajo, so who's folklore stories are accurate anyway??

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[–] hellothere_2004 17 years ago

I'd rather them be called Werewolves...

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[–] cabinetmaker2368 16 years ago

well they are called skinwalkers like it or not
you did not make the movie nor write the novel so suck it up and deal with it. If you do not like what they call werewolves then boycott the movie and don't watch it. For everyone else I am tired of you saying the movie is no good not just this movie but every movie and every person that says a movie is not any good. The scale of good and bad is in the eye of the viewer. So you didn't like it, that don't chisel the words, "Bad Movie", in stone for the rest of us. It's bad "to you", you thought it was bad, doesn't make it so!!

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[–] obxrebel57 11 years ago

I know this reply is several yeas after the origial discusion, but I feel compelled to reply. Werewolves, or any werecreature can only turn to that beast and only during a full moon. Skinwalkers on the other hand, can change to any animal, provided they have a DNA sample, and at any time, though primarily at night. If they do not change back before morning, they are forced to remain in that form until night time.

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[–] fire-baby 11 years ago

i'm not native or american or anything and that's how i learned it as well....
i'm from barbados, and i always remember my grandmother talking about the woman who "can walk out of her skin", how she'll change at night and roam or whatever... one night the maid(?) saw her walk out her skin, and the skin she shed, if you throw salt on it she can't get back in, so i guess that's what the maid did and the woman died...
or, the story of the wicked man from up some hill or another, and the dog that always walked the streets at night... one night, someone ran over the dog and the next day the man had a broken leg same as the dog...
in our stories these people who "walk out of their skin" can shape shift into any animal, usually at night, of their own volition (not something that happens to them at full moon)....

It's mercy, compassion and forgiveness I lack. Not rationality...

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[–] germaine_87313 17 years ago

I know exactly how you feel. I am Navajo and I have both first and second hand knowledge of skinwalkers and have written an award winning short story about one. I am trying to expand it into a full length novel, just sort of a hobby really. But I'm not the only one.

Hollywood just assumes that the movie going public are a bunch of idiots and by using the name "Skinwalker", they can recycle the same horror crap they've been making over and over. And if sweetamanda were to scroll down, she would see that skinwalkers are in fact witches who choose to be shapeshifters whereas werewolves cannot change at will.

To make it easier, I thought I'd make your link active:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin-walker_%28mythology%29

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[–] SuperSanity 17 years ago

Just fyi, the general movie going public IS a bunch of idiots.

According to some legends, werewolves CAN change. But they generally have no control. Another thing is that some werewolf legends have them changing into more powerful wolves, while others make them half-man half-wolf.

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[–] Rob-41 17 years ago

That's right, SuperSanity, you are so much smarter than everyone else. This is coming from an 18-year-old who fancies himself some sort of werewolf expert. You can comment on movies without being an obnoxious jerk about it; but being an 18-year-old boy rules any chance of that out, I assume.

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[–] SuperSanity 17 years ago

Did I ever claim to be an expert? Nope. That's you putting wrods in my mouth. I offered what I'd found in my research. So you can shut your trap and just keep walking. Have a good day. ;)

"I could use your head as a commode and sell it on EBay."

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[–] insidejokr 17 years ago

hahaha. putting rods in your mouth. fruedian slip much?

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[–] SuperSanity 17 years ago

You left out the "w". And techinically the word "wrod" doesn't exist. So any argument you make would hold no water.

"I could use your head as a commode and sell it on EBay."

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[–] nascentt 17 years ago

You seeing rods in mouths when there aren't any, says a lot about you.

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[–] lagnat1 17 years ago

Just fyi, you have not nor will you ever meet every member of the general movie going public.

Open statements like that with "just my opinion..."

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[–] SuperSanity 17 years ago

Edit: General statement. People make them all the time.

P.S. In response to your "Open statement like that with 'Just my opinion'" I offer this. Enjoy?:

"This one pisses me off just thinking about it. If you slit my throat right now you'd get shot in the eye with boiling blood. Any time you say something sucks around someone who disagrees, they try to validate their taste in *beep* music/movies/clothing by reminding you that you still only speak for yourself, as if their opinions are in jeopardy of being monopolized by your own. Everyone already knows it's my opinion by virtue of the fact that I said it, no need to restate the obvious you dopey twat."- Maddox, referenced from http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood

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[–] gormly 17 years ago

>>"I have both first and second hand knowledge of skinwalkers"

You are a liar.

"First hand knowledge" means you would have to have either turned into an animal form or have seen someone who has and since every single one of us on this planet knows that is not possible, you .. are a liar.

Unless of course you mean you have witnessed the murder of a family member? Eh?
Call the police anyone?

Wiki: "In Native American and Norse legend, a skin-walker is a person with the supernatural ability to turn into any animal he or she desires"
.....
"then commit the act of killing an immediate member of their family, and then have thus gained the evil powers that are associated with skin-walkers"

Or perhaps you are just stupid and thought "first hand knowledge" meant that you could write an award winning short story on supernatural bullsh*t.
Greg Bear wrote a bunch of "award winners" and he didn't go around saying he had first hand knowledge of aliens from space.

LEGEND, not fact.
Stop perpetuating stupidity, this planet is full of idiodic beliefs already.

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[–] NathanGJedi 17 years ago

Skinwalkers are absolutely possible, and REAL. I have known of several (two of them personally, first hand). Just because you don't believe in them, and only countenance the claims of Wikipedia (did it ever occur to you that not everything you read on the Internet is Gospel?) doesn't mean they don't exist. So your claim that, "every single one of us on this planet knows that is not possible" is clearly a LIE. Do I care what you think? No. Do I care if you spill your narrow-minded swill all over the impressionable minds daily browsing the Internet? Yes!

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[–] BobFlame 15 years ago

Are you sure the people you met were actually "skinwalkers" and not just insane?And if it`s any consolation , I`m doubting your sanity right now as well , not just your friends`.Hell , I`m doubting half this board`s sanity right now.

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[–] nofacefiend 16 years ago

gormly
You are one nasty dude! You have no qualms about calling someone a liar when you have NO first hand knowledge of him or her. You simply jumped to a conclusion and call this person a liar. Of course I am sure you are the type of person that would never do that face to face since you are obviously a coward. You know, the kind of person that hides behind the anonymity of the internet. Or maybe you are just stupid and thought by reading a few lines on a message board you are qualified to make wide sweeping judgments about someone you have no first hand knowledge of, like sean hannity and billy o'reily do every day.

if you havent guessed by now...I am doing the same thing to him that he did to hte previous poster. I have little confidence that it will register with gormly but I can only hope he counts his own in the group of stupid ideas that he thinks have filled the planet already.

Remember...when you judge someone you are actually inviting intense judgment of yourself. A lesson from Ted Haggart Mark Foley and Larry Craig.

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[–] BobFlame 15 years ago

Is that bias I smell?The creatures of this film are not werewolves.They can and do change at will though they`re still bound by the full moon , they don`t roll over at the first shot of a silver bullet and as I mentioned , they`re born with the curse rather than having it passed on through a bite on the flesh.So , are they the "skinwalkers" of Navajo legend , exactly ? No.But , they`re not werewolves , either . The film`s a blend of two mythologies and should be watched with this in mind instead of calling it a "bastardization" just because the creatures aren`t exactly as depicted in Navajo legend(If the film were 100% true to the original Navajo "skinwalkers", it would be laughable to modern audiences , anyway) .Also, not to steal from South Park but if you hate this film , blame Canada , not Hollywood.Personally , I loved it .

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[–] rebbellerose 17 years ago

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who was annoyed by this.

Wheeeee for cultural appropriation.. *sigh*

(Though having said that, who wants to bet that the producers don't even *know* of the legends of the Skinwalkers).

*shakes head*

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[–] RoxyUMD 17 years ago

As I don't know the history of the Skinwalker legend from Navajo culture, can anyone tell me if the TV series "Wolf Lake" described them in the correct way? Just curious, is all.

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[–] rebbellerose 17 years ago

Dunno, never saw the tv show. Based on reading a very brief web description, doesn't sound like it.

I am *not* Dine (Navajo), just a junkie for folklore (important caveat, as my understanding is very shaky).

The skinwalker is a human being who has *chosen* to become a witch (not a great word, but it's the closest I know) and learned, through those skills, how to become a human/animal hybrid specifically to do evil.

There are some similarities with lycanthropes, but the biggest difference is choice.

Skinwalkers choose to become what they are, and from what I understand are fully aware of their actions while in their hybrid state. This is obviously very different than the European werewolf legends in which the animal state is achieved by way of an unexpected bite/attack, leading to a state in which people's awareness of their actions is questionable (varies from legend to legend).

:) Sorry it's a rambly answer. :)

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[–] sb_girl500 17 years ago

Wolf lake rocked, I was sorry it was canceled, but it was pretty close to the legends I grew up with.

Amanda

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[–] BobFlame 15 years ago

In the film , the creatures are born with the curse rather than having it passed on through a bite on the flesh , they can and do will the transformation at several points(most notably the climactic battle between Jonas and Caleb/Varek)and do show awareness of their actions(most just don`t care) and don`t roll over at the first shot of a silver bullet . How many times do I have to reiterate this point before it gets through to you people ?

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[–] MaggieW695 17 years ago

I usually like to actually watch a film before jumping to conclusions about it's content.

Any ways.... really can't see Tom Jackson

http://imdb.com/name/nm0414103/

being part of any project that treated First Nations/Native American mythologies in a disrespectful manner.

Maggie

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[–] Carycomic 17 years ago

The first non-fiction book I ever read about werewolves was by an author named Nancy Garden (published in the early 1970's). And, while I don't recall her specifically using the term "skinwalker," SHE DID MENTION IN PASSING THE NAVAJO BELIEFS ABOUT WEREWOLF-LIKE CREATURES. Specifically, that they like to rob graves and feed on the deceased. Sort of like the ghouls of Near-Eastern mythology.

She also mentioned that, in the Middle Ages, any person who believed themselves (or was believed by others) to be capable of turning into any kind of nocturnal, quadripedal predator (voluntarily or otherwise) was referred to as a were-creature.

So, if it makes everyone happy, just look it at this way. Movie-werewolves who can't control their transformations are lycanthropes. The ones who can and do are shapeshifters (a.k.a. "skinwalkers"). As for me? I think arguing over the true nomenclature is merely splitting hairs.

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[–] conglomorateman 17 years ago

Actually no one cares about the title but you guys probably. What honestly does a title have to do with the content of the movie anymore? Nothing, its just the reference for internet searches and nerdy rants about the work. Some of the biggest hype the industry has seen in a while has been generated by a nameless movie that was previewed before Transformers in many theaters.

I do not think people are going to go out and start calling werewolves skin walkers, its as simple as needing two words instead of one, not gonna happen. So simmer down, and like the other guy linked, most regions of the world have legends of the apex predator/human hybrid including tigers in India, lions in Africa, and wolves in Europe. They are all influenced by similarity in human mentality or by each other directly.

what is the name of this award winning book, maybe some of us would like to check it out......

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[–] Carycomic 17 years ago

It was simply called WEREWOLVES (Bantam Books, Aug. 1977). Part of a four-book series by Nancy Garden, collectively known as the "Weird and Horrible Library." The entire series was geared towards middle-to-high-school age readers. Of course, given the mental sophistication of today's kids, they would probably now be considered fourth-to-sixth grade-level reading!

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[–] NotAnotherMovieCritic 17 years ago

Thank you! When I heard this was about werewolves I was like "WTF!?" Glad to know someone else understands the truth about Skinwalkers.

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[–] ryladante 17 years ago

I thought the very same thing. After seeing a few episodes of 'Supernatural' where the very thing was mentioned, and used...I knew something was afoul here. Though I will still watch it since I do like werewolf pictures, but the title is a misnomer to say the very least.
Ah, oh well. To each his own I guess...

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[–] BobFlame 15 years ago

This is not a werewolf film, people.The creatures of this film are born with the curse rather than having it passed on through a bite on the flesh ,can and do will the transformation though they`re still bound by the full moon , do show awareness of their actions(most just don`t care)and don`t roll over at the first shot of a silver bullet .They look like werewolves ,growl like werewolves,howl like werewolves but they`re not werewolves.

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[–] agentpeach 17 years ago

I was disappointed when I saw the trailer for this movie because I had it in my head this was based on the Tony Hillerman novel by the same name. PBS did three of his novels as part of their Mystery! series, including Skinwalkers. Robert Redford was a director. I was expecting to see a couple of endearing Navajo cops working on a spooky murder mystery, peppered with Navajo mythology and beautiful landscapes of the southwest, not a gory horror story.

I don't feel like getting excited about this film anymore. I don't have to go see it to judge it by my own standards of what I am willing to spend time and money on. I can already see it's not the type of film I enjoy.

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[–] Matt_Layden 17 years ago

Animorphs was a cool show....for 3 episodes.

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[–] aurora56 17 years ago

Skinwalkers aren't "myths" or "folktales" They are real. Even if you are not native and don't believe they exist, you should not label them myths or legends cause they are not. Thats disrespectful to Dine' belief.

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[–] blinky_afifan 17 years ago

lol. maybe 4, but no more than that. Animorphs. I totally forgot about that show.

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[–] guitrgrl 17 years ago

If You like to read there is a book called Thunderhead by co-authers Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child that revolves around the skin walker legend, as they actually are, not some werewolf sort of thing, it's really accurate & the book is awesomely scary, gave me Chills, great night-reading.

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[–] teonanacatl 17 years ago

guess what retards

werewolfs, skinwalkers, vampires, and republicans arnt real. get over yourself with your dumbass ancient nava-hoe *beep* no one gives a flying F what a skinwalker is "supposed" to be.

when your looking to movie's to reinforce your grandmas old senile storys or something from a book you read its time to sit down, shut up, and kill yourself.

please. die.

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[–] sehnsuchtsoul 17 years ago

While I disagree with his tact... or lack there of, i agree that it is folk lore, until you bring me a corpse i'm gonna be skeptical.

Of course people say God doesn't exist based on a so called lack of evidense.
So take your time elsewere and find some really worth being pissed about.

Also just because an old woman looked terrified when she told the story doesn't mean its real, it means shes a good story teller or she's naive enough to believe what she's selling.

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[–] carazyhamster 17 years ago

If it bothers your bitch ass so much that they made them werewolves then go see "Rush hour 3" or "The Simpsons movie" you don't need to think about that, and start bitching about how
"It doesn't follow the legend
". So? *beep* the legend just because some old dude with mental problems saw a "Skinwalker" and told everyone doesn't mean it's real. You can't say that they weren't werewolves because what the hell does your bitch ass know if you saw one or not. Also, who the hell would give someone an awards for writing a short story on "Skinwalkers" I would of called out your dumbass if I was the judges. And dear, if you really saw a "Skinwalker" lock your doors, close your windows, and check yourself in to the local asylum

-Jake

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[–] a-vandermeij 17 years ago

Seriously, the fact you all disagree with the original poster is one thing. Blatantly trmpling on someone's beliefs however in the way you are doing is simply an idiot's behavior. I could make comments containing a lactose deficiency and mammaries, but I won't.

I personally had never heard about Skinwalkers, so to me personally it was a welcome surprise to learn a thing or two about the beliefs of other cultures. Do I personally now believe in Skinwalkers? No, I don't. I'm sceptical enough not to believe anything upon hearing or reading it. But I don't and won't go bashing up someones beliefs and culture over it. If you have nothing normal to say, please, just go and have fun with yourself instead of filling space in here.

Thanks to the original poster! I had no idea Skinwalkers were part of Navajo culture (or better said, I had no idea they were called that!)

regards,
2meter2

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[–] aphrodite6385 17 years ago

Kudos a-vandermeij. I agree with everything u said.

Like u, before reading this post, I wasn't aware that skinwalkers weren't werewolves. I found that piece of trivia very enlightening. I assumed hollywood producers made up that name to sound cool.

With that said, the original OP has a right to be bothered that the movie is named one thing but ends up being another. There were few times when I saw a movie and the title said one thing but the movie was something totally different.

As far as others trampling people's beliefs, I find that insulting as well. The original OP gave his/her opinion w/o dissing the movie and still people act ignorant for no apparent reason. How stupid!!

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[–] BobFlame 15 years ago

The creatures in this film aren`t werewolves.They`re born with the curse not bitten and infected , can better control their wolf forms and don`t roll over at the first shot of a silver bullet.

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[–] josh1116 17 years ago

This goes out to every ass hole in this thread....STOP BEING SO DISRESPECTFUL OF PEOPLE'S CULTURES, BELIEFS, AND FAMILIES

I have some native american geneolgy in me, and had a good idea that a skinwalker was a shapeshifter-medicine man, not just your run-of-the-mill werewolf, so I can see why someone gets upset or bothered when something from their culture gets taken out of context.

But reading through this, seeing comments degrading people's grandmothers and stuff and stomping all over people's cultures....you people are dickheads, and could use a punch in the mouth.

Of course, being on the internet makes you think you're tough sh*t because your safe behind your keyboard and you act hardcore, but you wouldn't dare say something like that about a person's grandma to their face, because

A) Deep down, you're really a pussy, and
B) You'd get your teeth knocked out.

So show some respect, there's no need for that kinda crap when someone simply says "they got the legend wrong and made it out to be something it's not."

Jeez......

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[–] sehnsuchtsoul 17 years ago

Let me get this strait, i said just because an old woman tells a story doesn't make it true...
you said people who "degrade" grandmothers "could use a punch in the mouth."

Then you call people who talk tough on the internet (such as yourself) pussies that would get their teeth knocked out?

Fawk you and your grandmother you piece of dog sh;t

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[–] josh1116 17 years ago

Alright, retard

First off, way to catch it late, I posted that like 2 months ago

Secondly, yeah, making fun of people's grandmother's and trashing their beliefs and culture and making them out to be idiots is a fncuking disrespectful thing to do.

Thirdly, if anyone was trashing someone like that in front of me, Yes, I would punch them in the mouth.

Fourthly, I wasn't saying anything about MY grandmother, it was in regards to comments made to other people's grandmothers. Learn to read, you illiterate piece of sh!t

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[–] sehnsuchtsoul 17 years ago

Exscuse my lateness but i don't usually sit here all *beep* day and do nothing.
I happened to be reading through old boards i posted on and saw you disrespect me.

Secondly it's my right to say what i want to anyone, including your pussy-ass or your grandmothers.

Third, i bet your as soft as a kitten so you can cut the sh*t talkin...

And in closing, f#ck you and your grandmother and everyone else you know.
Suck a C0CK and have a good day.

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[–] josh1116 17 years ago

Neither do I.

My response was in regards to the blatant disrespect that had been shown to other posters here....that's all. I did disrespect you, but you started by disrespecting other people, so why should I have ANY respect for you?

You talk pretty tough....not really. What, I'm talking sh!t because I say if someone was acting disrespectful to someone like that in front of me I'd punch them in the mouth?
That's not me trying to act tough, buddy, that's a fact. That's just the kind of person I am, I stand up for people. I punched a dude out for disrespecting a girl's family before, I'd damn sure do it again. I've been in plenty of fights. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not intimidating in the least to me, trying to act hardcore on your keyboard...

I'm a pussy-ass? Yeah, that's something I'm sure you wouldn't say to my face, but no, you're safe over there in front of your computer monitor in internet land, so feel free to act as tough as you want, son.

And, just to prove you apperantlly are illiterate, you mentioned MY grandmother twice in your reply, when I posted in the previous post you responded to that I wasn't even talking about MY grandmother, but what was being said about OTHER PEOPLE'S GRANDMOTHERS. I'm taking up for OTHER PEOPLE here. Pay attention.

Jesus....just *beep* off already

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[–] sehnsuchtsoul 17 years ago

Whatever, I'm sure you'd punch me directly in the face... you win, i am cowed down by your internet toughness.
There's no arguing with the mentally handicapped i suppose.
So to rid myself of your I.Q. reducing super powers this will be my last post.
Talk all the sh*t you want tough guy, I'm not going to waste any more time on your dumb ass.

P.S. I almost forgot but i wanted to remind you that Fu*k has just 4 letters not 5.
Check your sig again before you call someone else illiterate twice.

Movies I've seen, updated as I remember or find them.
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=11874566

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[–] josh1116 17 years ago

Whatever

Have a nice life, dick

But for the record, my initial post wasn't soley aimed at you, it was directed towards everyone with your wonderful kind of attitude that has been displayed in this thread of disrespecting people's grandmothers (NOT MINE), and culture (hence the "TO ALL THE ASS HOLES HERE", which did include you, but not you exclusively).

That kinda attitude will get ya far in life, my man. Good luck

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[–] cdull 17 years ago

For good or ill, this is how language works. Words get absorbed into other cultures, and get other meanings beyond the original.

Look at the word zombie. A zombie in voodoo belief is simply a newly deceased person, with no free will, who must do the bidding of the sorceror who killed and resurrected them.

After the success of George A. Romero's Night of the Living Dead we began to see similar movies. Instead of calling the creatures ghouls, as Romero did, they were called zombies. The word evolved beyond the belief of Voodoo practioners, becoming something far removed from it's roots.

This is something that will continue, for right or wrong, as long as we have a growing language.

Josh

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