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2 Different DERN'S have 2 DIFFERENT scenes with MR. K


On the LOCOMOTION topic we discussed how there are 2 DIFFERENT SCENES in IE where DERN says 2 different things to MR. K:

1. IN one VERSION she says she is SHACKING UP

2. IN the OTHER VERSION she mentions HER HUSBAND.

Since we also see 2 DIFFERENT TWIN COPIES OF DERN throughout the story, after she ENTERS THE AXXON N DOOR in the BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4 ...

this also seems to INDICATE how we have 2 DIFFERENT COPIES of DERN who CLIMB the STAIRS and SPEAK to MR. K.

THE 2nd SCENE we see with MR. K ... which CONTRADICTS the FIRST ONE ... can also be found at the 2:15 TIME MARK where we see a REPEAT of the part where she CLIMBS the STAIRS and begins the DIALOGUE again by saying:

THERE WAS A MAN SHE ONCE KNEW ...

A LINE WE'VE ALSO ALREADY HEARD THE OTHER GIRLS DERN finds sitting inside of a ROOM inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE saying before.

Others have also suggested this isn't 2 DERN'S we see that speak to MR. K but merely another different part of the story she tells MR. K.

But if that were suppose to be the case ...

here's another question:

WHY do we also see ONE TWIN COPY of DERN UPSET enough to tell others at the ENTRANCE to the NIGHT CLUB she enters that SOMEONE IS GOING TO KILL HER?

But once she gets INSIDE of MR. K'S ROOM there's NO MENTION whatsoever of this other woman she sees STALKING HER on the WALK of FAME???

IF she's worried that this woman is going to KILL HER ...

WHY does she sit there telling MR. K all of these other stories that have NOTHING to do with her STATE of MIND before she ENTERS the NIGHT CLUB and someone in the CLUB takes her to another back room and then waves their hand to direct her to THE ROOM of MR. K???

Does anyone else find it ODD that DERN would be UPSET one moment about the WOMAN she thinks is going to KILL HER ...

and then SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER the next moment to MR. K about the woman that we see STALKING her on the WALK of FAME ????

Doesn't this FACT also seem to indicate we have 2 DIFFERENT COPIES of DERN who are telling MR. K two different stories???


AND that this is probably also the situation:

1. ONE COCKY COPY of DERN ALREADY KNOWS who the woman is that STALKS her and wants to KILL HER with the SCREW DRIVER ...

and that's probably also why she LAUGHS and MAKES FUN of what we heard the other BLURRY FACE woman saying at the beginning of IE ...

when DERN MOCKS HER and says:

I'M A WHORE

WHERE AM I???

I'M AFRAID


And then the COCKY COPY of DERN ... the one who already KNOWS what HAPPENS NEXT before it happens ... also SNAPS her FINGERS and says:

HEY! WATCH THIS MOVE

BUT there is also the OTHER COPY of DERN:

2. THE OTHER DIFFERENT and LESS COCKY COPY of DERN who TALKS to MR. K and doesn't seem to KNOW who the woman is that we see HIDING BEHIND the TREE ...

or know what this woman is about to do to her with the SCREW DRIVER ...


SO doesn't this also HELP to explain the REASON why DERN NEVER MENTIONS to MR. K how she's being CHASED by the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS who wears the FLIP FLOPS ...

the other woman who also and ends up sitting inside of the DETECTIVE ROOM at the beginning of IE ...

where she tells him she's going to KILL someone with a SCREW DRIVER ...

before she pulls up her shirt to SHOW HIM how she already also has a SCREW DRIVER sticking inside of her GUT.









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NOT only do we have 2 DIFFERENT DERNS ...

but we also see to have 2 DIFFERENT REACTIONS to watching IE ...

where either one LIKES it and understands it or HATES it.

Here's examples from the HOME PAGE where 2 people describe it:

FIRST response is a comment from someone in GERMANY:


it is a revolutionary new concept in cinema where the director just supervises shooting and the audience explains what this is about in forums like this.

An Alan Smithee Film?

14 May 2007 | by hjbhjb (Cologne, Germany


SECOND is the PLOT SUMMARY:

A blonde actress is preparing for her biggest role yet, but when she finds herself falling for her co-star, she realizes that her life is beginning to mimic the fictional film that they're shooting. Adding to her confusion is the revelation that the current film is a remake of a doomed Polish production, 47, which was never finished due to an unspeakable tragedy.


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So the question is why does IE make sense to one person and NOT make sense to another person???


It's a SIMPLE ENOUGH CONCEPT:

An actress gets her OWN LIFE confused with the character that she portrays in the FILM she's making.

We've also seen this happening before in SUNSET BLVD when NORMA walks down the stairway ...

as she's on her way to JAIL ...

for THE MURDER of the SCRIPT WRITER ...

and thinks she's MAKING a MOVIE ...

when she says she's READY for her CLOSE UP.

Because the STAIRWAY is also full of REPORTERS and others who have CAMERAS pointed at her to record her ARREST.

But her MIND is so far gone that she assumes they are there to FILM her MAKING a MOVIE.

So how REVOLUTIONARY is IE when the same thing also happens in SB???

a revolutionary new concept in cinema where the director just supervises shooting and the audience explains what this is about in forums like this.


Where the NEW CONCEPT comes into play is where THE DIRECTOR SUPERVISES in a way that ENABLES the VIEWER to actually SEE and FEEL what it's like to FEEL just as CONFUSED as the ACTRESS feels.

And the SCENE where this happens is THE DEATH SCENE ...

and how the CAMERA PULLS BACK after the end of it ...

TO REVEAL to us how we're located INSIDE of STAGE 4 ...

on a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME that's been created ...

and are NOT LOCATED OUTSIDE on the REAL WALK of FAME the way we assumed we were.

It's at this point that OUR MINDS become just as CONFUSED by what's happened as the MIND of NORMA is at the END of SUNSET BLVD.

And it's also at this point that we FEEL what it's like to be an ACTOR WHO gets so wrapped up and LOST in the character they play that they become CONFUSED about who they really are and what's really happening.

So that's the REVOLUTIONARY process that's taking place.

Because, imo, NO other DIRECTOR has ever CAPTURED what an ACTOR can go through whenever they play a PART quite like LYNCH has done has IE.

In other words, after the end of that DEATH SCENE, he also makes us feel just as CONFUSED as the ACTRESS herself FEELS.

To put it another way:

SUNSET BLVD shows us what NORMA feels.

IE actually makes us FEEL what the ACTRESS feels by leaving our MIND in the same STATE of CONFUSION as the ACTRESS is in at the end of the DEATH SCENE.




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SUE to MR. K:


I dont really understand what I’m doing here. Thats one hell of a *beep* climb getting up here. So I was told you can help me. I guess I’ll just tell you the thing. I’m just gonna catch my breath.

There was this man…I once knew.

His name was…it doesnt matter what his name was.

A lot of guys change.

They dont change, but


they reveal.



In time,
they reveal

what they really are.

You know what I mean?

Its
an old story.



Well, this guy…he
revealed

something.

Looking back on it…all along it was being
revealed.


He was planning something. Planning something with me in mind.


SO ...

what do they REVEAL???

They REVEAL what NARCISSISTIC SELFISH JERKS they are ...

by the way LUCAS ABANDONS her without PAYING the RENT and JOINS the CIRCUS which also leaves her HOMELESS.

BUT it also ISN'T SOMETHING YOU REMEMBER ...

especially if you are also SPEAR who DOESN'T WANT to REMEMBER ANYTHING that PROVES his ONE MIND claim MAKES NO SENSE.




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SUE to MR. K:


I don't really understand what I'’m doing here. That's one hell of a *beep* climb getting up here. So I was told you can help me. I guess I'’ll just tell you the thing. I'’m just gonna catch my breath.

There was this man …I once knew.

His name was…it doesnt matter what his name was.

A lot of guys change.

They dont change, but


they reveal.



In time,
they reveal

what they really are.

You know what I mean?

Its
an old story.



Well, this guy …he
revealed

something.

Looking back on it …all along it was being
revealed.


He was planning something. Planning something with me in mind.



Certain posters who keep insisting that their ONE MIND theory is the ONLY WAY to interpret what we see happening in IE also have something in common with the other MALES we encounter in this AXXON N TALE.

"I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT," says the BLURRY FACED MALE.

"I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT you to BELIEVE is happening in IE," says the ONE MIND THEORIST.





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A lot of guys change.

They dont change, but


they reveal.


In time,
they reveal
what they really are.

You know what I mean?

Its
an old story
.



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