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Would you forgive? SPOILERS

posted 16 years ago by thevikingage777
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This is merely a hypothetical curiousity on my part, I'm fully aware that the point of the story is forgiveness and the enduring power of love, but let's play the what if game... What if you were in the main character's shoes...would you forgive Susan?

She seems to have really loved Ryan's character, plus the daughter is a sweetheart (even though she turns into a slut when she gets older), and you have a adulterous best friend you have to wonder about. I personally would forgive her only if she was upfront about it being Buddy and if she was willing to tell me every detail. Not that I would want to know every detail, but I think if a woman betrays your marriage like that she needs to be forthcoming of all the details, or at least be willing to do so. Susan wasn't however, she refused to give Buddy up which again shows dishonesty, so that would hang over me.

I would try to get back with her just for the sake of the daughter, but I'd have a real hard time trusting Susan who seems to treat the whole situation as a mistake that she doesn't want to talk about ever again because "love conquers all" or some bullcrap. Also, I certainly wouldn't forgive Buddy, but then again, I wouldn't be friends with Buddy in the first place because he's a selfserving prick who flirts shamelessly with Susan which is totally not cool.

What about you guys?

[–] hsucf 15 years ago

The moment Susan said she was going to take Frank back, I kept thinking it would take three get-out-affairs-free cards. Franks should be entitled to cheat on Susan three times for the suffering she has caused him. The first card is for Susan acting like a total c|_|nt when she suspected that Frank had cheated on him and wouldn't even give him a chance to explain himself. If she is so unforgiving and willing to act on mere suspicion, she can't complain about this punishment. The second card is for the eight years Frank spent raising Jesse without realising he is not the father. The third card is just 'interest' and punishment to keep Susan on edge for a bit longer.

Susan is a real c|_|nt. If she is sincere about getting Frank bacl, she is not showing enough initiative. When she wants Frank back, she doesn't even try to track him down and go to his motel room to explain herself. Anyone should realise that if 37 telephone messages don't get a reply, a face to face meeting is long overdue.

[–] ft11 15 years ago

Susan knew she had sex w/ Buddy and conveniently forgot when she had a baby about 9 months later. Would I be able to forgive her for everything? It'd totally depend on whether or not I could get past THAT.

"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent."

[–] RottenBeauty 14 years ago

I could forgive someone for cheating . . . but only if they told me themselves and soon after it happened. I woudl not forgive someone who lied to me, didn't tell me or made me find out myself.

Feed me a stray cat.

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[–] RottenBeauty 14 years ago

I think the technicality it a moot point. I feel that omissions on that scale is a betrayal.

Feed me a stray cat.

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[–] sinnernerious 14 years ago

In 7 years no kids, that doesn't make any one of those 2 suspicious?

This movie is just that a movie, REAL WORLD doesn't work like that.
Hence i like to call this movie stupid.

She had the responsibility to tell Frank about Buddy and that daughter could be his, especially after 7 years she couldn't get pregnant, either she's ignorant (i don't think so) or she suspects and hides which makes her a uber hypocrite considering how she treats Frank.

There is no need to be in a marriage, Frank could still see his pseudo-daughter outside of it, for me it can only happen if Frank was a hopeless guy anyways who was lucky enough to even have a hot wife and was convinced there is no way he could ever get it on with another women, but that bar scene where that Paula seems to contradict that, movie isn't well written.

Biology is Biology, emotions are a consequence of it, to say love/emotions transcend biology is again being ignorant.

[–] Krys78 14 years ago

Vidvuk has exactly my answer.

"if 'ifs' & butts, were candy & nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas."

[–] jzmagic 13 years ago

technically she didnt lie to her husband. yet she knew there was a possibility that the daughter wasnt his but decided to forget about it for convenience but i guess most if not all women would do the same in that situation. my big problems were (like most others) the unreasonable overeacting and the stubborn refusal to name who the father is. if i were the main character i would certainly not have gotten back together with a woman who still doesnt trust me after 8 years of marriage. i would obviously remain in the daughter's life but that marriage would've been over. making mountains out of mole hills? probably but thats just the way i think and feel.

I feel pretty similar. The marriage would have been over for sure but I'd still love the daughter and be a part of her life.

[–] lamont-hard 13 years ago

He was hurt by the news, no doubt about that but he loved his wife, she had been faithful to her husband all of there marriage and when Buddy tried to take advantage of her she rejected him for Frank. Don't no why she forgave Buddy on trying to sleep with her, but she did. She really did not no Buddy was the bio. father, but woman no or at least suspect things that men do not when it comes to who the father Is of there child by age 7. So she may have put it out of her mind and felt no reason to rock the boat. So all considered he should have and did forgive her and if you ask me there marriage became stronger and more fulfilled from what they went through. I was happy to see them with each other and holding hands at the end.

[–] Tonnie21 13 years ago

There is nothing to forgive on Susan's part. She didn't know Frank wasn't the father, heck she's probably one of those women with an erratic cycle and truly believed Frank was the father. She was a faithful wife and did nothing wrong. and If I called my husband's hotel room and a woman answered the phone or a nurse from a hospital about some woman and a baby I would be pissed! Frank was ready to cheat until he got that phone call so the way I see it he did have some explaining to do and pretty much was not THAT trust worthy. There are so many dumb women that take men back after getting cheated on and the guy just does it again and again.

Also, Buddy doesn't need forgiving, not even for trying to get together with Susan. Frank had left her and refused to speak to her so she was free game, IMO.

Personally, I thought the main character over reacted and was a total douche, even from the beginning of the movie.

[–] lamont-hard 13 years ago

I get what you are saying. But Buddy was a somewhat opportunist, this is how some guys operate. It may not be wrong to some but to other there is a slight bit of sleaze to it. If there wasn't she may have went for it. But I'm Glad she worked it out with her husband. Also, He may have or not went all the way, the same thing if buddy had played his cards right she may or may not have. But it never happened for either. And I would bet in all those years leading up to the graduation it never happened. Almost means nothing to some. I disagree that she never questioned whether the kid was frank's at some point again, she may have truly believed she was his but I gaurantee you somewhere even if she never thought of it again wondered who the father was.

[–] campeanionut93 12 years ago

For *beep* sake, Susan just played Frank: she got the genes she wanted for a baby from a good looking dude, and then picked a suitable father who would not leave her and who wouldn't hurt her for anything in the world. (About the birth control stuff, studies have shown that women often forget to take their pills after a sexual encounter with a male they would like to be impregnated by). Anyway, she got so upset when she thought Frank cheated on her because she only picked him for financial and emotional support for her and her daughter, and he couldn't fully accompligh such a thing while having a second family.
All in all, classic case of "pre-cheating".
For a more upfront, in your face version of this stuff you can look at the example of "My Name Is Earl": the dude marries a pregnant woman who only chose him for this exact stuff.