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Point of view from a Latino: NOBODY CARES!!!


This film is just another example of the non-Mexican, Miami/New York based Latin film making industry. A film about Hector Lavoe??? WHO IN THE HELL CARES?!?! Why in the hell would anyone outside of the Caribbean nations (excluding Mexico) be interested in this crap? I ask this question because in the weeks leading up to its release, this movie has been crammed down everyone's throat. Nobody cares because nobody outside of the Caribbean nations cares about Salsa (which by the way originated in Cuba) or view it as a serious or legit music genre. Salsa is a novelty, heck, it (along w/the other tropical latin music genres) only comprises about 10% of the LATIN music industry. People may like to dance Salsa every now and then, but they don't know who these singers are and THEY DON'T CARE! These singers do not garner much popularity for themselves outside of the Caribbean Latin community because they are really not that talented outside of being marginal singers at best. They are certainly not composers, most of their songs are rip offs or remakes of Spanish or Mexican composed pop or romantic songs. The fools who made this movie no doubt felt they could make an easy buck with this movie because past movies about famous late latin celebs such as Ritchie Valens, Selena & Frida Kahlo were huge successes. Well there's a big difference here, THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAD TALENT and were internationally known. So please, before another one of these pointless movies are made (Celia Cruz), remember, NOBODY CARES!!!

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listen soliver u can't label latinos as being one giant race, cause we're not. and you're confusing 2 groups here. I believe whatever you're talking about directly deals with illegal south americans, which by the way are mostly mexican. This movie is mostly in english and deals with Puerto Ricans, which by the way, are legal citizens of the United States whether they were born in the states or in the island, so they would have no interest whatsoever in waving a mexican flag and proclaiming such things. My U.S. history teacher in high school used to say a quote that i believe went like this "better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." and i find this even true when communicating online. peace. I just wanted to clear this up. but it's cool though, the person u replied 2 is an a$$hole and ur reply gets back at him.

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Jkmerc17,

First of all, Mexico is not in South America. Second, a PR films such as El Cantante will never have the success of La Bamba or Selena. Third, Mexican/Americans make up %90 of the Hispanic population in America( not including illegals, lol). PR make up less then %2. I personaly was not familiear with Hector Lovue and I am sure that is the case with most Hispancis.

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ok, when you reply to this message could you take care of your puntuation please. It's annoying when I need to correct someone in order to understand them.
You're making ludicrous statements, so can you actually do a bit of research before you say something. There's no way in hell that mexican americans make up 90% of the hispanic population in the U.S. (I will refrain from making a joke here)OOH. and that's "not including illegals" so, what... if you include them what's the percentage mathematician? 100%? I would say that the stat that you obviously pulled out of your a$$ is refering to the population in California where I take it your people are running things. A ballpark figure is that 2/3 of Hispanics in america are mexicans, this is a huge difference from 90%.
The reason for movies like Selena or la bamba were successes was that these two artist were fixtures in American mainstream culture. I mean look at Ritchie Valens... No one knew he was mexican when he got famous, well except for mexicans... everyone taught he was an anglo.
Oh and the reason I said South America is that many Americans consider anything south of the U.S. SOUTH AMERICA.

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[offtopic] How can you be annoyed by anyone else when you misspell "punctuation" in your first sentence? You also have independent clauses incorrectly joined together, capitalization errors, etc. Two grammar errors equate to an automatic "F" in many colleges. [/offtopic]

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"Oh and the reason I said South America that many Americans consider anything south of the U.S. SOUTH AMERICA"

Well, unless you are part of the "U.S. Americans that don't have maps" according to Miss South Carolina, the rest of us know that Mexico is part of CENTRAL AMERICA. I really liked the quote from your history teacher, maybe you should follow your own advice.

Oh and Jennifer Lopez was no where near mainstream when she made Selena. It was the movie that started her career. Selena did well because the singer Selena was quite popular within the hispanic communities of the U.S. and her story caused a sensation.

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Indiecito mojado. Aprende a leer. Nunca dije que en PR no hay negros. Pero decir que todos somos negros es un disparate. No me estoy contradiciendo en ningun momento y lo puedo probar. El que ha dicho que todos somos negros aquí eres tu.

La puta es tu madre, que de seguro no sabes ni quien es tu padre. Debistes haber salido de un burdel en tijuana. El que le deben gustar las vergas eres tu maricón.

¿Y lo de wikipedia quiere decir que todos somos negros? Eso es como decir que no hay mestizos en Mexico.

Mayate tu madre. Que de seguro le gustan esas vergas.



No mames keyser23, me estaba carcajeando leyendo tu mensaje. Es obvio que ese pendejito no es de España, pero ten un poco de clemencia y deja de humillarlo tan feo para que su complejo no decaiga mas. En toda probabilidad, es otro ignorante hecho en USA, con un complejo mega-cabrón.

Yo soy de México y conozco a varios Ticos que estudiaban medicina en Guadalajara, y también conozco a varios doctores aquí en EEUU que son de la isla bonita. Y déjame decirte que es de la gente más fina que he conocido. Claro que tenemos nuestras diferencias culturales y sociales, pero en general la gente educada tiene más en común, y no importa de qué color es tu piel o que dialecto de español hables. Se me hace un poco triste que la mayoría de la basura Latino-Americana es creada en EEUU. Este país tiene la costumbre de lavar el coco de mucha raza, pero chale, como te bailaste a ese puñetas. No tienes misericordia. JAJAJA

Yo no soy “fan” de la salsa y no sabia quien era Hector Lavoe. Y la verdad es que no me caen muy bien J-lo y su rata anoréxica. Pero tengo que admitir que si vi la película en dvd y me gusto. Aunque no me da placer aceptarlo, J-LO y MA actuaron muy bien y los tengo que respetar por su trabajo. En mi opinión, han mejorado muchísimo en el cine.













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OMG--- Did you just say that Mexico is part of CENTRAL AMERICA?!?!?!?!?

Sabes que, pendejo? YOU need a map.
Mexico is in North America-- just like Canada and the United States.

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He needs a brain.

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a film about Hector Lavoe...alot of hispanics care. I dont know if you know this...but in 1993 when he died, it recieved attention all throughout the latin community and umm about 500 people were present for his burial. You say nobody outside of the Carribean Nations will even care about salsa? maybe u should beef up ur knowledge because u ever heard of the country called Colombia? Well i have and they also listen to salsa over there. Ever heard of Venezuela? Panama? Well these are all outside of the Carribean and I do recall Hector Lavoe as well as other famous salsa singers such like Marc Anthony, Victor Manuelle touring around south american where they had sell out crowds. How dare you say salsa singers are marginal at best. Ever heard of El Gran Combo, Ruben Blades, Celia Cruz, Tito Nieves, Eddie Santiago, Frankie Ruiz, Grupo Niche. By the way, they did not make this movie to make a quick buck. U must not be puerto rican because the reason they made this movie was to also show the rise and fall of a Puertoriqueno because this past year marked thr 50th anniversary of the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Get yourself together!!! You say ur latino, but thats really hard to believe when ur putting down music which identifies our culture...ur puttin us to shame!!!

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Orlando,

Outside of NYC, the Caribean and Miami, most Hispanics are not familiar with Hector Lavoe. Tha doesn't mean his story or this movie are not important. It just meant that he is not a well known figure in other Hispanic communities, aside from NYC and Miami.

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gily34,
sorry to tell you but your information is not true...read the last posting made by the woman from venezuela. Obviously you dont know much about him either, i guess people still forget, THE MAN TOURED IN AFRICA, VENEZULEA, PANAMA. Did we also forget a panamanian singer by the name of ruben blades inspired much of his music and also wrote some of his music. In addition, during Hector Lavoe's life, he did visit parts of Africa which inspired the song "che che cole". So not only is he big here in Ny and Miami as you say. The man is well known. So please, lets stop this nonsense about saying hes only big here and Miami and the Carribean. Learn his life before you say anything. Whats next, a biography thats going to come out about Marc Anthony and you going to say "oh hes only big in New York and Miami and the Carribean". GIMME A BREAK!!!

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I don't know y ur mad but playing salsa takes more talent than the artist you've mentioned. Selena was a pop act, Ritchie Valens (and don't make me mention why he was liked by the american public) who got famous for raping a mexican folk song was a pop act, and as we know most pop music is next to garbage. Salsa is a genre that requires skill, even the guy that plays the clave has to have rhymth. and as a person of caribbean descent i feel highly offended by ur stupid and uninformed comments.

When in the hell have you heard that this kind of music only appeals to us? I went to spain this summer and the club that I usually went 2 played salsa and other caribbean sounds b4 playing techno. I also went to 2 clubs that played only salsa and there was always a lot of ppl going into them. My friend spent 5 months in Italy and she told me that she felt stupid because she didn't know how to dance salsa because they were a lot of ocassions when she went into a club and they were playing and dancing it. I heard it's like this in a lot of places in europe too, so ur stupid comment is just that u dumba$$.

And u, as a mexican who hates caribbean sounds, shouldn't comment on where or when our music originated. Salsa took elements from a lot of the other genres that are seen in the caribbean and it got developed in the states (mostly by Puerto Ricans) so in a sense it is an american thing( as matter of fact most of the artist that could be labeled as "salsa artists" are often found in the jazz sections of music stores don't believe me go look up eddie palmieri just 2 name one) and jazz is a genre that not only requires high instrumental playing skills but also writing skills, i.e. COMPOSING, so don't b mad. go listen to a mariachi band.

p.s.
could u actually prove this?
"They are certainly not composers, most of their songs are rip offs or remakes of Spanish or Mexican composed pop or romantic songs." if you can i'll take u to a tijuana donkey show. i promise.

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To the original poster: Nice rant, but in the end, no one will give a shyte about your opinion

Salsa is loved the world over, not just caribbean countries......your ignorance speaks volumes and if you don't like it, that's fine, but there's no need to insult it or to say dumb things like only Caribbean Latinos like it....




Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?......





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jkmerc17,

I am not mad and I never said Salsa wasn't important. All I said was, most Hispanics don't know who Hector is. It doesn't mean he's not an important figure.


As fare a Richie Valens or Selena go, I don't really care for them. But, I don't agree that they lacked the talent you seem to think Salsa artist have and other don't.

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Honestly? Selena was known all over the world AFTER she died because no one except Mexicans who had heard of her music before while Lavoe was known before AND after his death and you still whereeeeeeeeeever you go, you hear his music being played constantly whereas Selena's music you hear it once in a blue moon especially the time of her death, not to sound racist or anything, I am Hispanic but its the truth.

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ok here we go..

The movie "flopped" not because "nobody cared about hector lavoe".it flopped because people just hate jlo for some right AND wrong reasons( i,m still undecided.i used to be a jlo fan,,but not that much anymore).

meanwhile an all puerto rican movie called mal de amores with little to no promotion hasdone very well internationally AND locally(they exported it first because unfortunately we dont support our local stars as much as we supposed to)

i think this whole war of the superior latin race has gone way too far.Especially in a time in which so many non latin people are just itching to get us out of the united states wether were legal or not.Think about it.were 20 spanish speaking countries..if we all got together.we could do sooo much more.But it wont happen because were at each others throats.

some north americans can sure be racist AND ignorants towards us latinos.But theres no worse racists towards latinos,,,,than us latinos within each other.

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Nice comments. I'm sure someone of Mexican/American heritage appreciates your thoughts.

Being Puerto Rican( black ) it looks bad that you make those types of comments.

This white guy has a question, why is it that Latinos attack each other, just like you'r doing?

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nad guess what even in Thailand there are clubs that play salsa

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Hey rvejar, did you actually SEE the movie?

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I am latina from venezuela and I know who Hector Lavoe is, and I haven´t watched the movie. The original post has something right, which is that some people doesn´t care. But salsa singers have their fans, and actually one of my literature teachers in high school was a big Hector Lavoe fan...
But, in any case, aren´t there movies about LOTS of people that maybe we don´t care about? There are thousands of Biographic movies! And I´m not just talking about famous people.
So, either you care or not who Hector Lavoe was, can´t you just watch the movie and judge it by its content? And if you don´t like it, well, that´s ok, talk about how you didn´t like the acting or the script, but why make such a big deal about salsa and ilegal mexicans in america??

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Get your facts straight.

Salsa originated in New York. It was made by the Puerto Rican singers and musicians in the city.

Salsa has become part of U.S. culture since it originated there.

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Salsa part of American culture? Why didn't anybody tell me? I think you mean Puerto Rican culture. I travel all over the country and world and I have never heard Salsa in non PR homes.

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Gily34

You're kidding right? Salsa is huge, all over the world. I've seen black/white/Mexican you name it stuffing themselves into the clubs on salsa night.

I read you previous post, I get the vibe you hate all other latin cultures but Mexican. You do understand Mexican is not part of White america's plan for continued world domination. If anything these day's it a big target for "Minute men" shooting practice in the United States. Trust me where I live in AZ ton's of White militia type dudes I know talk a lot of scary stuff on their plans for Mexicans.

You should consider the fact of strenth in numbers.


"Your suffering will be legendary, even in hell."

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Puerto Ricans are american citizens. You can't deport them. Also, I seriously doubt that Puerto Ricans are ruining the country. Blame Bush, blame congress. Please be smart and blame the people who take decisions over your live. Also, if Puerto Rico is the most military condecorated jurisdiction of the USA.

If you had a brain you would know that Mexicans outnumber PR by far and also we are not a burden to the US illegal immigration.

I think you're a racist.

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For not being a Mexican, you promote Mexican actresses alot.
what is that all about?

"Your suffering will be legendary, even in hell."

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Well I think time has proved that nobody cares. This movie was a huge flop at the box office.

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hahaahhaahahahhahahahaha true so i guess the person who started this thread had a point jajajajajaja

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You are so full of shyt, that is the reason why I don't care what happens to Mexicans in this country, because you Mexicans or at least most of you (don't want to generalize) think you are better that every other Hispanics. I'm not Purtorican or Cuban but I rather listen to salsa hands down than to that stupid frog hopping 'quebradita" or tejano music which is crap and only you Mexicans like.

It pisses me off that you cry when people are racist towards you, but what makes you think you can discriminate all you want? that is the reason I do not give a flying fu*k about Mexicans, I wish they deport most of yall back to Tijuana or whatever you came from. The only ones that should stay are the few LEGAL ones that work hard and the rest gang bangers, and rapers should be thrown back to Mexico lindo y no querido. A freaking fence the higher than the moon should be built around the border to keep yall indios outttt!!!!

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Monkey Island? Where the hell are you from?

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la isla de los changos = puerto rico .. jajajaajajaj


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¿Qué changos? ¿De qué estas hablando rídiculo?

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de ti negro grasoso y grenudo jajajaajajja

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De negro no tengo ni un pelo. Y en cuantos negros Puerto Rico no es ni Haiti ni, Jamaica, ni Cuba, ni la Republica Dominicana. Se ve que no sabes nada de Puerto Rico.

Además eres un racista, pendej!

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pendj0 tu padre 0jete..... y don omar k es idiota es blanco ? jajajaja tu k si no sabes nada de puerto rico nappy jajaajajajaj

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Nadie a dicho, j0dido bruto, que en Puerto Rico no hay negros. Además solo has mencionado uno. Menciona 20 0 30 y a lo mejor hablamos. Sin embargo la mayoría de la población de PR no es negra. Por eso traje los ejemplos de los otros países del Caribe donde la mayoría de la población es negra.

NO SABES NADA DE PUERTO RICO.

Aprende a escribir español.

El pendej0 sigues siendo tu y tu padre.

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pobre hijo d toda tu pu.ta madre culeada ..primero dices "Nadie a dicho que en Puerto Rico no hay negros".. y despues dices "Sin embargo la mayoría de la población de PR no es negra " jajajaja your contradicting yourself p!nche negro apestoso ..pobre mayate jajajajaajajaj veta a la v3rga jo0to

baboso y aqui esta tu lista de negros y ubicate hijo de put.aaaaaaaaaa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Puerto_Ricans_of_African_descent

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Indiecito mojado. Aprende a leer. Nunca dije que en PR no hay negros. Pero decir que todos somos negros es un disparate. No me estoy contradiciendo en ningun momento y lo puedo probar. El que ha dicho que todos somos negros aquí eres tu.

La puta es tu madre, que de seguro no sabes ni quien es tu padre. Debistes haber salido de un burdel en tijuana. El que le deben gustar las vergas eres tu maricón.

¿Y lo de wikipedia quiere decir que todos somos negros? Eso es como decir que no hay mestizos en Mexico.

Mayate tu madre. Que de seguro le gustan esas vergas.

Aquí tienes la secuencia del debate.

Qué changos? ¿De qué estas hablando rídiculo?

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de ti negro grasoso y grenudo jajajaajajja


by keyser23 19 hours ago (Fri Oct 5 2007 21:32:22)


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De negro no tengo ni un pelo. Y en cuantos negros Puerto Rico no es ni Haiti ni, Jamaica, ni Cuba, ni la Republica Dominicana. Se ve que no sabes nada de Puerto Rico.

Además eres un racista, pendej!

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pendj0 tu padre 0jete..... y don omar k es idiota es blanco ? jajajaja tu k si no sabes nada de puerto rico nappy jajaajajajaj

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by keyser23 10 hours ago (Sat Oct 6 2007 07:20:22)

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Nadie a dicho, j0dido bruto, que en Puerto Rico no hay negros. Además solo has mencionado uno. Menciona 20 0 30 y a lo mejor hablamos. Sin embargo la mayoría de la población de PR no es negra. Por eso traje los ejemplos de los otros países del Caribe donde la mayoría de la población es negra.

NO SABES NADA DE PUERTO RICO.

Aprende a escribir español.

El pendej0 sigues siendo tu y tu padre.

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Inclusive los negros de aquí son mejores que tus indiecitos allá.

Jerome Mincy no nacio aquí. El se mudo a la isla de grande a jugar baloncesto. Carmelo Anthony lo que tiene es una abuela puertorriqueña, nadie lo considera puertorriqueño, sino americano. La India es India, no es negra.

Bobby Capo no es negro. De hecho su hija es rubia de ojos azules. Sammy Davis Jr. no es Puertorriqueño. Ni tus fuentes sirven.

De nuevo no sabes nada de Puerto Rico.

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jajajaajjajajajajajajajj das risa tu mono....estas bueno pa el circo...pobre p3ndejo estas hablando de mexico y ni soy de mexico inutil hahahahahahahaahahahahahaha soy de espana jajajajaaj tu que si eres un rete-pendej0 ! por eso no progresas en tu isla de changos ! jajaajajajaj k risa das .....



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Dudo mucho que seas de España. Mi isla ha progresado más bajo los EEUU, que bajo los españoles. PR esta asociado a los EEUU.

Risa das tu, que se ve que no sabes nada. Además utilizastes la palabra pinche. Que usualmente la usan los mexicanos.

Pendejo.

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porque espana les importa poco pr jajajajaja ...es una isla sin importancia de ahi no viene nada bueno ..ni tiene agricultura para el mundo comos otros paises como china , colombia ,mexico , japon etc......ademas los EEUU usa pr como basurero ....es una isla sin importancia y pobre !....

jajajaja poco sabes d espana !!!! nostoros los espanoles tambien usamos las mismas palabras que usan los mexicanos ...k no sabias k mexico era d espana mucho antes ? tenemos casi el mismo dialecto del espanol ! ..educate ignorante antes k habras el osico perro malnacido !

te digo me das risa y sigue con tus payasadas que te estas mirando como el estupido que eres....jajaajajaja

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Tonto estudie de intercambio en España y tambien entrené tropas españolas durante Kosovo cuando fui Infante de Marina en los EEUU, como parte de un programa de la OTAN. Puerto Rico tiene problemas, pero no es pobre. Aquí tenemos comunidades de todos los países que mencionas. No somos un país del tercer mundo. Tenemos mejor calidad de vida que China, Mexico y que Colombia. La agricultura no es la industria más importante si la comparas con la manufactura o la alta tecnología.

Muy pocas palabras del dialecto coloquial Mexicano son usadas en España. Pinche, no es una de ellas.

Solo un imbecil y un ignorante diría que Mexico y España tienen case el mismo dialecto. En especial porque Mexico tiene muchas pronunciaciones indígenas que provienen del Nahualt que España no tiene.

Una de dos. O estas mintiendo o eres un sobreano ignorante.

Sigues dando risa, pues se ve que n tienes conocimientos.

PR y USA son número 1.

No sabes nada.

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jajajajajajajajaja @ PR son número 1 jajajajajajajajaja eso si es risa jajajajajaajajajajjajajj jajajajajajaahjajajajajajajajajajajajaj
ajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajjajajajajajjajajajjaj jajajajajaajajajajjajajj jajajajajajaahjajajajajajajajajajajajaj jajajajajaajajajajjajajj jajajajajajaahjajajajajajajajajajajajaj jajajajajaajajajajjajajj jajajajajajaahjajajajajajajajajajajajaj

lol jajajajajaajajajajjajajj jajajajajajaahjajajajajajajajajajajajaj hahahaahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha @ Tenemos mejor calidad de vida que China, Mexico y que Colombia

pobre idiota me gusto el chiste a d ser lo taino de indio k tienes hahahhahahahaahha

...me da asco toda tu isla coriente con su musica de re"gay"tone ! que verguenza ! los re"gay"toneros solo son imitadores de los negros americanos...no buscan su propio esilo ...se tienen que copiar del reggae.....

ahi te dejo hablando solo como los locos ....porque no tienes remedio ..

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El que no tienes remedio eres tu. Yo tu no hablaría mucho siendo del paísque produjo a Braulio y a Rafael.

Si no me crees sobre nuestra calidad de vida en comparación con los países mencionados. Ve al website del FMI o de WTO o el de la CIA y compara con esos países. Yo tengo evidencia para lo que digo.

Anda cobarde te reto.

Tu ignorancia y tu prejuicio son lamentables.

Más tontos son los españoles que les gusta el reggeaton. Reggaeton no viene del reggae. El nombre se lo pusieron mal para empezar.

USA y PR número 1.

Me sigo riendo de ti.

El que habla como los locos eres tu. Se ve que no sabes nada ni de China, ni de Colombia, ni de Mexico.

¿A quién cono imitan los raperos franceses, lor raperos rusos y los raperos británicos?

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The truth is that if the movie is good enough
it'll make us care about whatever person/thing it portrays.
(I'm thinking of a movie like "The King of Kong: A fistfull of dollars".)
In this sense the movie failed terribly.
I have nothing against Puerto Ricans or
against Salsa.
The movie plainly sucked.
That's the truth.
It served as another vehicle for the j-lo and marc-anthony love affair thing.
Sigh.
To the rest of you who complain about racism and attack with racism
at the same time...well you just killed it for your own cause.
The fact is that the box office proved that in fact not many people
cared about the movie. It sucks. I went to the movie with a friend
of mine who is a big fan of Lavoe. She was disappointed.

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