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Spoiler - Cause of girl's problem


It just seemed so obvious that the mother was the truly unloving and evil presence in the girl's life, and that the young priest fed into the mother's fanatical religiosity. Having received the rosary from her mother, Michaela was later unable to "touch" it because she subconsciously realized the "devil herself" had given it to her. Likewise with the incident at Midnight Mass. After all, the mother (just as hung-up on her daughter's blossoming sexuality as the mother character in "Carrie" -- remember the line "First comes the blood, then comes the sin.") -- had just thrown out the adorable fashionable clothing her daughter had bought in Tubingen because it made her look like an attractive young woman, not a shapeless farmgirl.

That being said, the initial unsaid problem within this very sick family was well-conveyed in quieter moments at the beginning. Why no one, including the world-weary older pastor, could not see the obvious family breakdown puzzles me. Perhaps that would have been what a psychiatrist in Tubingen might have discerned had the protagonist sought treatment. Unlike the _Emily Rose_ flick, where the antagonist seemed to be a real demon, in this one, the antagonist was the mother.

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Your post was really interesting,idlewood. I felt (in the final scenes) that she finally had her chance to act out, and to tell her mother how she really felt, and was actually being noticed and cared for, which is what she had desperately wanted.

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That makes so much sense! I didn't make the connection between her being allergic to the rosary and the fact that her mom gave it to her. The mom was coming between her and what she wanted to do the whole time up until the end, when she almost didn't let Hanna in to see her.
That makes a lot of sense, and it doesn't necessarily preclude the idea of a spirit of evil...maybe the reason she got so messed up when she moved to college was guilt over leaving her little sister alone with her parents.

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In the movie you can see she did not take her pills. And that is when she went off the deep end. They say people with epilepsy have triggers obviously her trigger was the symbol of how she viewed religion. I actually believe a psychiatrist would of helped. They probably would of gotten through to her feelings about her mother which I am sure was her tied up in her religious views. So instead of going after her mother she goes after a symbol that represent her. The cross which is her trigger and prayer. If this was today I am sure the meds would of helped more.

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How can some of you say that the parents is who ruined this girl? I mean, there are MILLIONS of people everyday that are in same type of family setting, or worse even, yet they dont end up like her.

Before i continue, i am primarily a Roman Catholic, but i also follow other faiths as well.

Its easy to discredit something like a demonic posession, especially if you are an 'Atheist'. One can very easily blame YOUR parents for YOU being Atheist or perhaps blame your mental state for you being Atheist, im sure a lot of you wouldnt like that and would discredit those claims as well.

Basically, most people doubt and mock something that has little proof, and you dismiss something with a lot of proof if it is threatening your beliefs. Humankind have been doing this since creation, and this is why Jesus Christ was put to the cross, it is really sad to see that people are still in this mindset even after TWO THOUSAND years (or more).

All of the great scientific minds in all of humankinds' existance believed in God. The great Isaac Newton, who IMO is the greatest scientist ever to have existed, was obsessed with God and the Holy Bible. He always spoke about Science being one in the same with God, but our knowledge will never be equal to our creator.

I believe enlightenment can be reached by studying ALL religions, because God and Lucifer are too big, or too powerful for lack of a better word, than to be limited to 1 religion.

With that said, i am not surprised most of you think negatively to this with such limitations on your own minds. Sadly, just as Christians blindly follow their beliefs, Atheists also blindly follow theirs.

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What are you talking about the other priest did not even believe she was possessed. Also as a Catholic I know for a fact there are only a few priests who are trained to deal with exorcisms, this priest was not one of them. He was just a opportunist and if anything not equipped to help this girl if she was truly possessed.
He should of called the Vatican and told them of the situation and they probably would of send someone who is trained in this to assess the problem. He did not do that. And one last thing I did not make up this problem she had with her mother, she herself put that thought in the viewers head.

I thought on the whole her parents were ok, particularly the dad and I do not think the parents should be blamed for anything. She should of gotten proper help and not from some opportunist priest that was not even trained in doing Exorcisms who own colleague questioned his actions. Blaming the parents is like blaming parents of children who were molested by priests because the parents trusted the bums. I think the mother put her trust in a crazy priest but that is because her faith tells her she trust them. It is not her fault. But this girl died and I think one of her parents should of done something when they saw something terrible wrong was going on.

And you should stop being such a elitist. People are free to believe in what they want to. And you are wrong all scientist did not and do not believe in God. And what kind of Christin are you to judge people who do not believe like you do? You wonder why people have problems believing in a god if people like you who are deep believers are judging people. The problem with you folks is that you believe God judges people the way people judge people. Shame on you!

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Didnt the Vatican confirm this case?

And im not an elitist, i just have a different opinion than lots of people. People shouldnt block themselves from learning things. You can believe in whatever you want but still have the curiosity or ambition to learn something new, to yourself or to the whole world even.

Also, her parents did A LOT of things to find out what was wrong with her, you are basing your opinion on this movie and not enough research on her case. Her parents were business owners, they took her to doctors in numerous countries and tried treating her for numerous problems, she did NOT have any sign of mental illness. 1 doctor declared her to be mentally ill after treating her for a handful of diseases/symptoms.

1 thing they found out about her before she was that she had heart problems before she turned 20 years old. Theres a documentary about her life on youtube, not sure what the show is called.

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We are talking about the movie. The movie not a pure biography. In the movie the priest was just a opportunist and was not qualified to do exorcism. I understand the woman really had epilepsy. Now in real life I know little about the case. But like I said we are talking about the movie and not what really happened. All I know is her name was Anneliese Michel and the priests and the parents were both convicted of manslaughter. So I am sure the Vatican had nothing to do with it. And did not send a qualified priest.

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I have no clue what you're basing your knowledge of the case on, but it's not fact or this movie. Have you ever met a schizophrenic person? One who is not immediately helped by the use of anti-psychotics? Have you ever seen a schizophrenic person in the grips of their illness?

Her parents did not take her to 'doctors in numerous countries', the Vatican never had anything to do with the case of Anneliese Michel, and beyond calling some priests actually did very little to 'find out what was wrong'. She was diagnosed as both epileptic and mentally ill due to her habit of drinking her own urine, eating insects, coal, and dead birds, barking like a dog while hiding underneath the table, screaming for hours on end, tearing her clothing off while hitting herself in the face and scratching at herself until she bled. All symptoms that we would recognize as mental illness.

The bishop of the town she lived in gave permission for the exorcism to take place. The Catholic Church of Germany have said (as I posted upthread) that they now view the case as that of severe mental illness, not possession.

She died because her family and two priests were ignorant enough that they allowed her to starve herself for over a year. Along with the fact that they let a mentally ill woman to decide that there was no need for her to take her anti-psychotics, which over time could have alleviated if not stopped her symptoms. The medications she was taking for her epilepsy could have caused the hallucinations of demonic faces to begin with.

There's no devil in it, unless you count the priests and her parents.
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"It's better not to know so much about what things mean." David Lynch

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This pretty much sums it up. I would like to add some points:
Anneliese's parents and the two priests were not the only people who believed in her possession. The first person who considered her possessed was a homemaker named Thea Hein. She regularly organized pilgrimages to San Damiano (apparition site not approved by the Catholic Church) which were also attended by Anneliese and her family. Mrs. Hein claimed Anneliese exuded a horrible smell of burning coal, like the devil, that she tried to rip a so-called "miraculous medal" (google, if you don't know what it is) off her neck. She was also present during the exorcism sessions and it is claimed that during a very intense moment, Anneliese hurled the heavyset Mrs. Hein around.
So even in the real story, there were two women who were linked to her "problems", to put it mildly. Her mother was a devout Catholic, albeit a "fallen" one. She had given birth to an illegitimate daughter before marrying Anneliese's father, and she had to marry him with a black veil. According to local gossip, the child was fathered by a priest. Inspite, or maybe because of her sin, the purity of her daughter was her top priority. Pants were fashionable in the 70s, especially bell-botton jeans. Anneliese wanted to wear them, but her mother said it was against God's law. Anneliese's grandmother was very Catholic, too, and she dragged Anneliese as a young child to early Mass, every day, like the local peasant woman Barbara Weigand, who was considered a saint by many around Anneliese.
So Anneliese lived in the shadow of many devout Catholic women, and she was supposed to become one of them.
In the movie, the issue is reduced to Michaela's relationship with her mother.
Anneliese Michel, that's how I feel, had a love-hate relationship with what could be considered Catholic pietism. She strived to be obedient. Modest skirts instead of jeans. A fiance with the same Catholic upbringing instead of free love. Praying the rosary instead of going to parties. She also did not question the more controversial beliefs held by her family, like visiting non-approved apparition sites. Anneliese's family, the Heins, the two priests and others belonging to the same circle where very much against receiving communion into the hand, receiving communion standing, nuns not praying the rosary, priests wearing street clothes. Most of the exorcism dialogues, recorded on tape by Mrs. Hein, are about these things.
Her family home was cluttered with religious pictures, statues, crucifixes, and of course, rosaries. When Anneliese had one of her fits, she often destroyed these items. In her normal life, she devoutly used them.
My impression is that Anneliese was deeply disturbed by growing up both in the permissive 70s and a circle of Roman Catholics having trouble dealing with Vatican II. She was taken advantage of by traditionalist priests and misunderstood by a handful of less than smart but more than devout people.

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I actually believe a psychiatrist would of helped. They probably would of gotten through to her feelings about her mother which I am sure was her tied up in her religious views. So instead of going after her mother she goes after a symbol that represent her. The cross which is her trigger and prayer. If this was today I am sure the meds would of helped more.

Agreed. I felt that the cross & prayer being abhorrent to her was directly tied to her mother & family. She felt GUILTY that she was (in her mom's mind) abandoning her religion and her modesty/decency by going off to college, changing her dress, making friends etc.

It was subconscious guilt, combined with the high pressure of leaving home for the first time, being homesick, overwhelmed by college work, her new feelings, figuring out how to be an adult, being SICK & TIRED of being sick & tired!

It all built up. She was struggling with finding an answer to her problem, and she latched onto not only demonic possession (which would be a relief to her in a way I thought, because the problem would be external (not in her own mind), and therefore not her fault & solveable.

On a side note, the only thing I found odd was the way she acted in the kitchen.
What was that?! I've known at least 3 people with epilepsy, and none of them have ever acted like that. I've seen a wild angry reaction to phenobarbital once, but it was more like a yelling, venting episode. Not what she did in the kitchen.
This puzzled me.



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I am a practicing Catholic and I agree with your post. Actually, the Catholic church doesn't regard Annalise Michel's( the woman who is the basis for the fim) possession as legit. The feeling is that she needed medical and psychiatric help. They do exorcisms but the person has to have a thorough medical and psychological work up done.

I believe the mother loved her daughter on some level in this movie, but she was too blinded by fear and jealousy to express it properly. I can't remember, do they mention one of the kid's born out of wedlock in the film? In the real case, the mother had given birth to a child out of wedlock and felt shame for the rest of her life over it. Maybe the mother didn't want her child to have the same experience.

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