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World War ONE German grunts weren't Hydra or 'Nazis''; just regular Joes

posted 8 years ago by Treuburg
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I don't get why people don't understand this.

If a superhero beats up ordinary Hydra grunts, it's still not particularly heroic (because it's a super-being versus regular guys), but at least you can make a case for it. Because if a person joins Hydra, a known criminal organization, then they are consciously and willingly doing something evil. They kind of have it coming.

But this film is set in World War ONE, not World War Two.

"Nazis" didn't exist yet.

So when Wonder Woman is beating up on the German soldiers, she's just pounding on regular grunts -- ordinary Joes who are just fighting for their country.

In other words, she's using her Superman-level powers to pound on the same type of slobs who served in the British or French or American armies.

It's not just anti-heroic; it makes her look like scum.

DISCLAIMER: I'm saying this as someone who has hated most of the Marvel films and is a die-hard DC fan. I've LOVED the Nolan and Snyder films. (Though Green Lantern was crap.) I WANT this movie to do well. I LIKE this conception of Wonder Woman, the actress, and the costume. (Though I thought she was WAY over-powered in BvS.)

I just don't want the film to be ruined by the bafflingly idiotic and unnecessary element of having a super-powered Wonder Woman beating up on ordinary soldiers just doing their job and fighting for their country.

[–] paul-glidewell 8 years ago

How do you know who they are , have you seen the script

[–] A_Dance_with_Charles 8 years ago

This is a stupid fcking post.

So, what, are you implying that every German solider in WWII was a Jew-hating monster, and not just some "regular Joe" who was conscripted by the Reich?

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[–] willywonkasrevenge 8 years ago

Wait, next you're going to tell us Inglourious Basterds wasn't a documentary...

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[–] Treuburg 8 years ago

So, what, are you implying that every German solider in WWII was a Jew-hating monster, and not just some "regular Joe" who was conscripted by the Reich?

Huh? Where did you get that from my post?

Some people have asserted that the ordinary German soldiers whom WW is beating up in the trailer have it coming, because they are "Nazis."

I am pointing out that this is not the case.

Everything that I said in my post, about German WWI soldiers being ordinary Joes rather than "evil," applies to most of the run-of-the-mill German WWII foot soldiers as well, who were also just regular slobs.

But my point is that even if someone thinks that WWII soldiers are fair game for superheroes to beat on, because they were fighting for a nation controlled by "Nazis," even that doesn't apply to the soldiers whom Wonder Woman is pounding on, in the trailer.

[–] Prince_of_IMDb 8 years ago

So, what, are you implying that every German solider in WWII was a Jew-hating monster, and not just some "regular Joe" who was conscripted by the Reich?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/2byfzw/just_following_orders_the_myth_of_the_clean_and/

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[–] BrunoAntony 8 years ago

OP, as you can tell by the people replying to your post, the American audience is too stupid to know the difference between WWI and WWII, or the difference between Wonder Woman slaughtering an army of regular soldiers compared to Captain America fighting against a fascist, totalitarian regime engaged in genocide AND an evil alien-worshiping cult.

These people don't like to think, never-mind learn historical fact or consider the implications of depicting a superhero involving herself in a war.

You came to the wrong website.

Due to the lack of moderators, trolls can ruin the IMDB message boards. Don't feed them.

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[–] stopsign9999 8 years ago

First off, it's likely that WW is not "taking sides" in this war in a conventional sense and she's really up against Ares or Dr.Psycho or someone on that level and the soldiers are really just the pawns of whomever happens to be the "boss" in this narrative (of course I don't know this exactly but it's a pretty safe bet). And yeah, it seems like WW is way OP to be fighting against ordinary soldiers, but superheroes on the battlefield are nothing new. They've been jumping into wartime frays since comic books started.

[–] Novva 8 years ago

You may end up correct, but at this point we don't really know, it may be that some evil super character is controlling these soldiers or altering them or just generally doing something that justifies it. OR she learns a hard lesson by at first believing them to be evil on the word of Steve. The point is we don't know yet what the circumstances are, you might end up totally correct and that'd suck, but there also might be valid reasons for the scenes in question when we see it in perspective.

[–] Treuburg 8 years ago

OR she learns a hard lesson by at first believing them to be evil on the word of Steve.

You know, that, actually, would be a really compelling scene.

Wonder Woman pounds on those guys, thinking that they must be "evil men," due to her misandry...

... but then discovers that they're just regular farm boys and factory workers, just trying to defend their country.

That would be a powerful moment, would compel some self-reflection and self-reexamination on her part, and would introduce some complexity and nuance, far beyond the banal good-vs-evil morality play that one sees in Marvel flicks.

I hope you're right.

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[–] MyNameIsMARTHA 8 years ago

Another one of these crazy posts about the "poor ordinary German soldiers" being crushed by a callous superhero.

Do you think the German soldiers in France or Belgium - where this film will be set - were there on holiday? Were they just trying to get to the beach when they poured across the Belgian and French borders in 1914?

They were armed invaders, in someone elses country and deserve everything that's coming to them.

Lol, and if they hadn't been there, French and Russian soldiers would be in "someone else's country" and deserve everything that's coming to them, 

You are just a clown.

What stupid garbage to filter a war from 100 years ago through your modern baby "morality glasses". Back in the day, no one gave a *beep* who is really responsible for a war (France was hardly punished after Napoloen's defeat etc.), until the World War I when they started massive propaganda against the evil Germans.

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[–] littleyellowfish 8 years ago

That might be why she was in hiding in the beginning of BvS. Not because she lost faith in humanity, but because she lost faith in herself.

That would be the perfect cure for people(like me) who saw WW as a deus ex machina with no character in BvS.

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[–] tanyalawrencehakiwai 8 years ago

I'm loving this latest effort to re-write history. Lets hope Wonder Woman doesn't hurt this ordinary German soldier...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Adolf_Hitler

or this one

http://ww2db.com/person_bio.php?person_id=391

He seems a nice chap who wouldn't hurt a fly..

https://gottmituns.net/2013/05/28/josef-sepp-dietrich-service-in-world-war-one/

And this guy was just a good pilot..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

I doubt DC is going in this direction but Ares can command any army from ANY time frame.

Although I tend to agree that beating up on any dudes is beneath Diana, it could be an endless army commanded by Ares.

Again, I doubt DC is going in that direction and I tend to agree with the OP. I just wanted to throw that out there.

[–] Warhound 8 years ago

One of my main problems with this movie. How is it supposed to be exciting to watch a female Superman roll over some grunts? There's no threat at all. It's like watching a max level character in WoW PvP a level one scrub. Oh, sure. She'll fight Ares, but that's at the end of the movie, and even that won't be interesting, because we know she survives to fight Doomsday.

[–] articappleman 8 years ago

would you like them to show everything in the trailer? but wait youve just moaned about being shown to much in past trailers, make your *beep* mind up ffs

[–] merh 8 years ago

Didn't Supes & Bats tackle normal human foes originslly?

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[–] Warhound 8 years ago

Superman could only lift a car and jump 1/8 of a mile originally. Batman is a powerless human so it makes sense.