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you guys are all idiots!

posted 18 years ago by sticky_805
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This is NOT A MOVIE!!!! it is a piece of art. Matthew Barney is an artist. He has done many films before in his past, this one just happens to feature his girlfriend Bjork. This film is just his vision and his thoughts. He is an installation artist who designs, sculpts, paints and directs. There is no way in HELL that his film will ever be released in theatres. NOR will it ever be for sale on dvd. HA! like i said, its his artwork. Think of it as a famous painting or something. His previous peices (the cremaster cycle) were only viewed through exhibits in museums...exactly like it should be. A previous of copy of The Cremaster Cycle goes for about $50,000+ if not more. I live in San Francisco, where Matthew Barney was born and raised and he will be installing this piece of art in late June of 2006 at the SFMoMa...I think he might have a few more exihibits in the US, maybe in London and I know he had one in Japan a while back and of course in Iceland.

but just so you all know. IT WILL NEVER be released at the movie theatre at your local mall along side of "dumb & dumber" and "lord of the rings"....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cremaster.net/ -- go check it out and learn something about art!

[–] necronite 18 years ago

This film opens at the IFC center on 6th & Waverly on Wednesday. A couple of years ago I saw Cremaster 1 & 2 at the Film Forum.

[–] xausa 18 years ago

I understand what you r getting at ppl will have a critical view of it as it is not like most films but is meant to be an artistic piece. Though it is still a film nontheless. Plus its had too much publicity not to come out in cinema and dvd.

He said something and he was wrong, i dont think ppl need to be as harsh as they were in their replies. The fact that it was or was not showing in cinemas was not his main point. It was how people will take the movie when they watch it, will they understand its a art film or just look at it and say "what the hell is this piece of crap i'm watching" as they simply dont see it as a film.

Doubt i'll watch it though :D.

[–] salparadise04 18 years ago

i'm not going to get into your long-winded argument above.

i did check out the offical site that 'sticky 805' posted initially. has anyone watched the given trailer while listening to bjork? makes for a much more chilling experience. try it.

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[–] PeruvianJew02 18 years ago

It's being released in NY soon. Wouldn't you all consider a film art? Am I wrong?

[–] heatherthered 18 years ago

Not all films are art, but every opinion is subjective even for movie snobs like myself. Example: City of God or Amelie are peices of art, Porky's Revenge or Clash of the Titans are not.

I feel Barney's work is art because of the emotional process it conjures in the viewer. In my humble opinion every single frame of his films can stand alone as thier own composition. A moving interactive celluloid sculpture if you will.

[–] cellsniper 18 years ago

What do you mean Clash Of The Titans isn't a work of art.
The Kraken was sculpted out of clay. Representing the dark emotions of humanity especially blind vengeance.
That Golden Owl would be cool to have hanging in you house. And you know Owls represent wisdom and a golden owl purity of wisdom.
And then showing the constellations at the end demonstrating the eternal human struggle, sheer brilliance.

I thought Art was in the eye of the beholder, some of it great and some shine on *beep*
Which will this movie be, probably a bit of both.

sticky_805 needs to stop smelling its own farts.

[–] Caeradwyn 18 years ago

It's not up to the artist/craftsman to descide wether or not what he makes is art. You can't just make a weird ass piece of film and say "it's art, so if you don't understand it, then you just don't understand art" and try to be somekinda profound and deep genious. Something only becomes art, when the audience looks at it and feels that it is art. Art isn't really the object itself, but rather the feelings it provokes in the viewer. That's why somebody can't really say that something isn't art either, because to some people it is almost bound to be. It's true, most people seem to accept everything the elitist snobs say, and seeing as most of them are extremely affraid to seem like "unenlightened idiots" they listen to whatever a so-called artist say, and thus they'd buy a blank canvas in a frame if the guy who "made" it claims that it represents the hopelessness of creative thought in a world void of art. Or some such garbage.

I mean, there's a norwegian guy (iirc he works in New York) who smears thick layers of grayish goop all over a piece of canvas and places the whole thing under a strong lamp. When the whole thing is dried and cracked, he puts it in a frame and hangs it in a museum for elitist snobs to gawk at. And they actually claim they understand what the guy means by the specific shapes of the cracks! Come on!? They are natural formations caused by the heat cracking the paint...

Face it... Art is overrated. There are craftsmen (they are not allowed to call themselves artists for some strange reason) who can paint pictures from their own imagination that are so life-like that they could have been photoes... But they are laughed at by the so-called artists...

Art is in the eye of the beholder...

End of story...

[–] wecos77 18 years ago

Amen to that! I saw it in NYC yesterday, and people in the theater were laughing at all the Japanese rituals, it was very rude and made them look very uneducated. Its hard to make people understand this type of art, because they just fluff it off as a bad ":Movie"

[–] Jakrus34 18 years ago

"Not all films are art, but every opinion is subjective even for movie snobs like myself. Example: City of God or Amelie are peices of art, Porky's Revenge or Clash of the Titans are not. "

Well what defines art? There is bad art, there is good art. But isn't everything a form of art? Every film made has been a form of art. You could watch earserhead and be like that is a good film (which it is) and it art, very good art. But you could watch failure to launch, which is still art, meant to entertain, mayb not to be a lasting film in history. But it still is art, mayb not good art (i actually have not seen it). But though the to movies are differnt both art.

[–] Camoo 18 years ago

well, okay this movies playing 19th street and broadway just down the road.. dunno what youre talking about. and i bought the cremaster films for 20$ at kims. where the hell do you live?

[–] Jakrus34 18 years ago

isn't kims the place that got raided by the cops for selling mixtapes (im way down in texas so im not sure)