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Misandronystic Rubbish


So along comes yet another reminder to boys that they are not as important, are bad sexist bullies, and their needs and issues are secondary to girls. In this day and age of widespread misandry, nearly 40 years after implementation of The Girl Project by the US Dept of Education, and Title IX we have seen how the results effect boys. Nationally boys score roughly 20 points below girls on standardized tests in reading and writing, and are about even in math and science. The aforementioned is a dramatic decrease since the 1970's, the latter minimal gains. Girls on the other hand have increased dramatically in all subjects. This was not the case pre 1978, in fact it was girls who tested below (but by not as much of a disparity) than boys. It was addressed, but in a way we now know is anti-boy. The feminizaton of public schools cascading effect is clearly seen in the gender disparity in community colleges (natl avg 68% women), undergraduate admissions (58% women), and graduate programs (69% women). For those countries that adopted a policy similar to ours (UK and Australia) the results have been the same. This is not just a movie about a girl doing great, it is a girl doing great at the expense of boys. Reverse the gender roles, i.e. a positive story about a boy triumphing over girls, and this film would never have been made. What I can say is that I don't think the intention of the writers was to give us a real life story and how its symbollic message has had an adverse result, but it will be the vehicle in my home by which we can do that. As a parent, I will have the privilege of telling both my daughter and son why the message and sexist anti-boy tone of this film is not okay. Additionally I can tell them that it is okay for boys to be with just boys sometimes, just as it is for girls.

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I don't even want to read this whole thread but I have to say that Huilenowl you are definitely an moron.

Since when does overcoming something mean putting down another group? And how did this movie say boys needs are secondary to girls? What are you even talking about? Do you know the definition of misandry? I'm so tired of men calling misandry on anything that doesn't completely glorify men or depicts men the same way that men usually depict women. And what do you think a movie about a boy who overcame something that is usually for women would be about? Ballet? Being a stay at home dad? Who do you think would watch this movie? If anyone did, it would be women. Few men no matter how much they bitch and whine about women's empowerment would even watch a movie like that. Most men along with whiny chauvanists like you would find a way to call that misandry too. And who would be the first to call a man who wanted to do something traditionally female gay or sissy? MEN. So the situations are different.

It's not okay for boys to be with just boys or vice versa if it's institutionalized idiot. That would be like saying let's racially segregate people to let our kids know that it's ok for them to be just with their own race sometimes.

I feel sorry for your daughter.



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And what do you think a movie about a boy who overcame something that is usually for women would be about? Ballet? Being a stay at home dad?


Hey you just described Billy Elliot and Mr. Mom!

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LOL yes it shows a girl who can be successful, and at something traditionally linked to boys, how misandrist!

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Sometime after WW2, a decision was made about the "nature/nurture" debate. Politicians (not scientists!) ruled that Nurture won, and that the "tabula rasa" model (we're all born "the same", and how were rased explains EVERYTHING in terms of the differences that arise later in life; in other words, your genes count for absolutely nothing) would be the basis for all social decisions. Anyone who produced scientific studies which produced results that contradicted this assertion got their funding slashed, and their reputation destroyed. When the Soveit Union under Stalin took similar action and promoted "Lysenkoism" over Darwinism, we in the West thought they were mad. But we've been busy doing pretty much the same thing as the Russians: allowing a political doctrine to over ride science.

Boys and girls ARE different. They study in different ways. Boys inherently do better in "competitive exams", whereas girls do better with exams that have a strong "coursework" component in the marking system. The exam system in the UK has changed markedly... so has the method of teaching. That change coincides with the change in exam results; it seems somewhat unlikely that girls and boys CHANGED physically resulting in a change in exam results. The UK education system was changed in the 1960's/1970's to incorporate the new ideology, in a new system called "Comprehensive Schools". Only one study of what effect this had on genuine academic standards was ever allowed: it showed the change to have been a disaster. The person who carried out the study had their career wrecked (paradoxically, wrecked by the party that had initially opposed the change, but had been left implementing it after a change of government) No similar test has ever been permitted since.

You get some interesting results if you simply graph the IQ's of a large sample of males and females. Women, on average, have a higher IQ than males. But they also have a lower standard deviation: they clump around "average". At the extremes - genius and moron - the graph is dominated by the males.

I'm a social scientist by training - a Psychologist. Psychology is generally dominated by the non-political or the right wing. Every other branch of social sciences is dominated by the doctrinaire hard left. MY take on the issues is that we should be guided not by what we'd like the truth to be, but by what IS. If that happens to turn out to be contrary to accepted political doctrine... so be it. Catholicism held back science for centuries... I see no reason why political correctness should be allowed to play the same game, of intimidation and pre-empting scientific discoveries to fit in with their doctrine.

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Psychology is not a science. Mr. Psychologist,

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"Psychology" includes a VAST area of study. After WW2, the UK Air Ministry decided to establish a new profession of "Air Traffic Controllers", and they needed to KNOW - really KNOW - how many aircraft an aircraft controler could handle with very near 100% precision. The guy who they asked to find out for them was a Psychologist named E. Colin Cherry, who did some ground breaking research on the nature of concentration. It's called "Cognitive Psychology", and it produces real, reproduceable results. I personally specialised in Neurochemistry. That too is "real science". Note that, unlike medics, in the UK to get a qualification recognised by the BPS, you MUST have a qualification in statistics - and therefore some understanding of statistical analysis. Medics, by and large, are HOPELESS at science.

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