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A Positive Review -- AMAZING!


I don't understand the negative reviews of this film, not even a little bit. I'm not a John Carpenter aficionado but I did like his original version of "The Fog." It was slow and it wasn't gory, but it had great locations (Point Reyers/Bodega Bay, California) and a palpable eerie MOOD. This remake is an updating of the story 25 years later. Unless your an uber-fan of Adrienne Barbeau or Jamie Lee Curtis, this film is on par with the original and even superior in some ways. Here are some highlights (and a few negatives):

- The fog is arguably more menacing. In fact, the F/X in general are all-around superior, in particular the various leprous ghosts that appear in the fog. I love the visual where the fog forms a creepy face.

- The story isn't fast-paced by any means, but it's not as slow as the original.

- The eerie ambiance is still there even though lovers of the original say it isn't. There are a few jump scares, like the original, but neither film was meant to be uber-scary or gory, they're haunting mood pieces.

- The scenic locations are at least as good as well. It was filmed on Bowen Island and Cowhichan Bay (Vancouver Island), British Columbia, both not far from Vancouver.

- The picturesque and mysterious visuals are awe-inspiring.

- The score is on a par with the original with the exception of the end-credits piece, which was absolutely stellar in Carpenter's film (a variation of this piece appears only once in the proper film).

- The historic events of the leper ship colony are different than the original and are actually depicted in flashback, unlike the original where they're conveyed by word via an old journal. The changes in the backstory make for some spectacular visuals (e.g. the burning clipper ship, etc.)

- The brief zombie scene is scarier and just all-around better done.

- This is purely a matter of taste, but curvy Maggie Grace is superior to Adrienne Barbeau and Jamie Lee Curtis, at least as far as the filmmakers highlighting her curvy beauty (and I don't mean nudity 'cuz there isn't any).

On the downside, Selma Blair is so over-the-top hip as the DJ it's actually annoying, but this is a minor criticism; she's fine otherwise. Speaking of excessive, some of the death scenes are so overdone they'll strike some people as more funny than creepy, e.g. Aunt Connie.

BOTTOM LINE: If you're in the mood for a fast-paced slasher gorefest, you won't like this movie. If you're anal about Carpenter's original film, you won't like this remake. If, however, you're in the mood for a well-done, atmospheric, spooky and aesthetically pleasing mystery/horror picture, this 2005 version of "The Fog" will likely trip your trigger.

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Okay as the original is my all time favourite film ever I don't know where to respond to your review. But I feel you have it all wrong.

First of all it has nowhere near the same sort of atmosphere as the original.

Also to attack anyone who does not like this film is just wrong, ever thought it could be your opnion that is wrong?

Computer graphic ghost are just rubbish compared to zombie-ghost who walk within the fog I think it is much more scary having something within the fog then the fog itself being the ghost.

The director admitted he wanted to make this a love story now I ask you why on earth do you want to go watch a so called horror film that is a love story?

What brief zombie scene are you talking about? Unlike the original brilliant film there is no zombies in this film at all. This is the Disney Version so laid back and tame.

Now you sound like the sort of guy who would attack anyone who disagrees with you. Do I hate remakes? I do when they are far weaker than the original.

But to say it is superior to the original? There is not one part of it that is superior to the original in my humble opinion, oh wait I think most people agree with me looking at the reviews and well just watching both films.

You related to the director? I posted on his board asking him to apologise for this film and I am still waiting.

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Re: "Also to attack anyone who does not like this film is just wrong, ever thought it could be your opnion that is wrong?"

- How exactly am I "attacking" people who don't like the 2005 version? What did I say that could possible be contrued as an "attack"? My post is merely a response to the unmerited critical feeding frenzy the remake has received. I'm simply pointing out that I like it and why I like it. I like the original as well, but I like this version slightly more for the above cited reasons.

Re: "Computer graphic ghost are just rubbish compared to zombie-ghost who walk within the fog I think it is much more scary having something within the fog then the fog itself being the ghost."

- Weren't there zombie-ghosts walking within the fog in this version as well? Regardless, this is a remake not an exact duplication. We already have the original to enjoy so let's have a different take on the same basic theme. No?

Re: "The director admitted he wanted to make this a love story now I ask you why on earth do you want to go watch a so called horror film that is a love story?"

- Many horror films have integral love stories, e.g. "Bram Stoker's Dracula." Again, the remake is a different take on the same basic plot, not an exact imitation.

Re: "What brief zombie scene are you talking about? Unlike the original brilliant film there is no zombies in this film at all. This is the Disney Version so laid back and tame."

- There IS a zombie scene similar to the original (but more horrifying). I question if you've even watched the film if can't recall this scene. And how exactly is this the "Disney version" and "tame" compared to the original? Both versions have some pretty horrifying, gorey scenes. Although I suppose this 2005 version is tame compared to, say, the remake of "Dawn of the Dead," it is very similar in tone to the original version. In other words, both renditions have a very "laid back" vibe.

Re: "oh wait I think most people agree with me looking at the reviews..."

- I personally don't care what "most people" think. This is MY review and I feel it is slightly superior for all the above reasons cited, even though the original version gets points for being the ORIGINAL version. Hence, I regard them equally overall.

Lastly, no, I'm not related to the director or anyone else involved in the filmaking, nor am I a previous fan of any of the cast members, although the film made me a fan of Maggie Grace -- mmmmMMMMMmmmm.

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Well I was looking forward to your reply. Yes I watched it back when it first come out, but I choose never to watch it again as to me it was an insult to the Original classic.

I am not going to argue with you, but when you love the original as much as I do your going to be saying something. But all in all I don't agree with you and we can leave it like that.

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Thanks for the reply, Chrismax. I just don't get what's supposedly so terrible about the remake. No, it's not "Citizen Kane" but it's a well-done atmospheric horror/mystery film. It's not the greatest film ever made but I enjoyed it for what it is.

Even so, if you're a hyper-fan of the original I can understand your resistance to a remake and your issues with the plot changes.

Regardless, if the mood ever strikes you I encourage you to give it another chance sometime down the line.

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Durrkk wrote:
"Thanks for the reply, Chrismax. I just don't get what's supposedly so terrible about the remake. No, it's not "Citizen Kane" but it's a well-done atmospheric horror/mystery film. It's not the greatest film ever made but I enjoyed it for what it is."
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Of course it's not Citizen Kane, nor should it have been. This remake should have been a worthy contribution to the horror genre that put a different, high-quality twist on the Carpenter original. It didn't. Not by a longshot. Look no further than the work of the master auteur, Mr. John Carpenter himself, as to how a remake *should* be done (The Thing). The 2005 Fog variant was nothing but a quick, cheap cash-in knockoff that milked the name of its vastly superior predecessor. All it put on the table that was new was the digital effects, and they completely sucked. The actors had no gravitas. There was no suspense, for me at least, because I hated all the dopey characters and just wanted them to die as quickly as possible. If you don't give a damn about the characters in a horror film like this, then nothing much else matters. Bad movie. A real stinker.

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Let's get real here. The first "Fog" was decent, but certainly no masterpiece. The 2005 version is a well done remake and I actually like it better than the original, but of course the original gets points for being the original.

Like I said above, if you think Carpenter is god and are anal about his version then you'll obviously be biased against this 2005 rendition, which is evidently the case with you.

Now please try to lighten up; you're gonna have a heart attack.

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Actually, I think The Fog (1980) was the weakest film of Carpenter's classic period (beginning with Assault on Precinct 13). I give the original a 7/10, all style points. I gave the remake an overly generous 2/10. You have lousy taste, pal.

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You're passionate about your opinions. I respect that.

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And you must be an old sack of sh't who hates computers and new technology.

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I'm really sick of people always saying "it's not supposed to be Citizen Kane."

Nobody expects any movie to be Citizen Kane. Good is all we want.

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ever thought it could be your opnion that is wrong?


It's an OPINION and not a FACT! Opinions are not wrong. You can disagree with them but he never stated his as absolute fact. Your opinion isn't wrong, mine isn't wrong, and neither is his. We just all have different ones. Get over it! Quit acting like such a snob because someone liked this a you didn't. I hate it when anal *beep* try to state their opinions as facts >:(

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The fact is, more people seem to hate this version then the original (especially me) but I hated it more because how badly made I felt it was. I would of loved it to been a great remake. But sadly it was not. I'm into these films for the Ghost/Zombies.

But this version only had computer graphic ghost which are nowhere near as scary, as the original Ghost were more like Zombies walking around in a fog.

Also the end is rather poor and the director even admitted he wanted to make this a love story, now I'm sorry but the original has got nothing to do with love it does not need it, and nor does this one.

My opnion is everything that made the original good is missing in this version.

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I wasn't defending the film. Just the stupid "Maybe your opinion is wrong" bullocks! This wasn't any fine piece of cinematic art...but what horror film is made for that intention anyways? I agree it's not as good as the original but it's also not an irredeemable pile of garbage either. It's a good time waster. I've seen far worse to be honest. Go watch any SciFi picture original or a movie called Night of the Zombies before you say this is the worst movie ever made lol!

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Yeah, I just don't get all the insane bashing this film recieves -- it's incredible. Yes, it's just another horror remake that naturally lacks the originality of the original, but -- c'mon -- it's not THAT bad. Besides there's that great butt shot of what's-her-name walking around in her panties -- what's not to like? Just joking (sort of). I just think it's all a critical feeding frenzy. I started this post to try to get people to take their blinders off and see the other (positive) side.

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But that wont ever happen, it's not blindness it really is that bad a film. I wont repeat myself however. Why can't you see how bad it is? That is the question.

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Why are you such a cretin? That is the question.

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I thought "to be or not to be?" was the question.

The answer for this film is "not to be". Sadly, it's too late for that, so all I can offer is "not to see" instead.

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Dude, you must have worked on this film in some way.

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Just a few reads of his posts on several threads tells me that one of the main reasons he likes this movie so much is because of Maggie Grace - which he admits here.

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I seem to be the only one, but I agree with you.

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BUT we wholeheartedly agree on Maggie Grace!

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I completely agree with the OP 100%!!! The remake/reboot was WAY better than the original. The original was okay but very slow. I thought the 2005 version was sexy & scary & thrilling all at once. I'd never seen "Smallville" before but had seen Tom Welling in "Cheaper By The Dozen" & loved seeing him in this movie. Everyone saying Selma Blair was no Adrienne Barbeau need to chill out - she wasn't trying to be Adrienne, it was her own take on Stevie Wayne. Durrkk, you were spot on with your review!!!

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Thanks. I have no idea why everyone hates on this movie so much, unless they just hate the very idea of a remake.

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People who have never even heard of the original hated this movie. Face it, the film was badly received regardless of whether people had watched the old one or not. Critics hated it and viewers hated it. The plot is all over the place and characters do very stupid things throughout. Elizabeth turning into a ghost for no reason made no sense either, and that left a bad taste in people's mouth. The movie is all style and little substance. The CGI effects are intrusive, and the silly sound effects for the fog were distracting. It was a cheap tool that attempted to force the audience to be scared when nothing was really happening on screen that was scary. Again, all visual effect that lacked tension. The movie's fast-cut editing prevented any atmosphere from being built up at all. That is what these director's today fail to realize, that without building tension through lighting, editing, proper sound effect, music, and most importantly good acting, you have nothing. They relied too heavily on visual effects and that just can't do it alone.

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I understood why Elizabeth turned into a ghost at the end - she was the dead woman reincarnated & she was reunited with her lover in the spirit world. It was a good movie - very suspenseful in many parts like when the little boy was trying to get away from the fog or when Tom Welling burst in to save him at the last minute; when Stevie's car got hit when she was trying to get to her son; when the cousin was out on the ocean & the invisible forces started attacking them; finding the black guy half frozen in the freezer; Elizabeth falling in the water after watching the videotape that proved the black guy didn't attack the others on the boat - those are just a few. I really enjoyed it & still agree with the OP. I saw it in the theaters & liked it, I have the DVD & enjoy watching it on cable.

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It makes no sense at all for everyone on the ship to be revenge-obsessed ghosts while this one poor soul goes off to be re-incarnated as someone else just so she can have no purpose in life and turn back into a ghost.

Elizabeth falling in the water after watching the videotape that proved the black guy didn't attack the others on the boat >>> One of the dumbest moments in the entire film.

None of this stuff was suspenseful. The heavy breathing fog sound effects made sure of that. The invisible forces attacking was just lame. The entire situation was contrived. The MTV generation who was raised on music videos and who think PG13 CGI effects amount to anything more than flashy style may think this is scary, but most everyone else did not. The movie comes up from time to time in random conversations with people, and never once have I encountered anyone who had anything nice to say about it. Most of these folks don't even know it is a remake. They just genuinely don't like the film. My cousin is one who rented it entirely on her own when it was new and thought it was one of the worst pieces of nonsense she had ever tried to watch. She doesn't usually rant about movies, but she was ranting about what a terrible film it was. I admit, I enjoyed hearing it from her. It did my heart good to know that it wasn't just fans of the old movie who hated this crappy remake. There is a reason why this movie is considered one of the worst remakes available, right alongside Gus Van Sant's Psycho.

Don't worry, though, as no matter how bad a film is, there is ALWAYS someone out there who likes it. Hell, even Hale Berry's Catwoman has it's fans for some reason!

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>>It makes no sense at all for everyone on the ship to be revenge-obsessed ghosts while this one poor soul goes off to be re-incarnated as someone else just so she can have no purpose in life and turn back into a ghost.

Probably that's why Elizabeth Williams' mom seemed so useless throughout. The entire point of David Williams' bloodline was to produce a reincarnation of William Blake's wife. The "blood for blood" line was two fold: that Williams' descendants would have no real purpose and that the descendants of the island's founding fathers would all meet a gruesome death on the anniversary of the Elizabeth Dane.

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I agree with you both. The only flaw I have is Nick not realizing that Elizabeth didn't follow him at the end. Why didn't he grab her hand? Why did it take him so long to find her?

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While it doesn't seem proper to say this remake is better than the 1980 version, since it's a re-imagining of the original and therefore not original, I feel it's at least as good and arguably superior in some ways, as far as a viewing experience goes. Here's my list of reasons why, as well as some negatives (from my review):

- The fog is arguably more menacing. In fact, the F/X in general are all-around superior, in particular the various leprous ghosts that appear in the fog. I love the visual where the fog forms a creepy face.

- The story isn't fast-paced by any means, but it's not as slow as the original.

- The eerie ambiance is still there even though lovers of the original say it isn't. There are a few jump scares, like the original, but both films aren't meant to be uber-scary or gorey, they're haunting mood pieces.

- The scenic locations are at least as good as well. It was filmed on Bowen Island and Cowhichan Bay (Vancouver Island), British Columbia, both not far from Vancouver.

- The scenic and mysterious visuals are awe-inspiring.

- The score is on a par with the original with the exception of the end-credits piece, which was absolutely stellar in Carpenter's film (a variation of this piece appears only once in the proper film).

- The historic events of the leper ship colony are different than the original and are actually depicted in flashback, unlike the original where they're conveyed by word via an old journal. The changes in the backstory make for some spectacular visuals (e.g. the burning clipper ship, etc.)

- The brief zombie scene is scarier and just all-around better done.

- This is purely a matter of taste, but curvy Maggie Grace is superior to Adrienne Barbeau and Jamie Lee Curtis, at least as far as the filmmakers highlighting her curvy beauty (and I don't mean nudity 'cuz there isn't any).

On the downside, Selma Blair is so over-the-top hip as the DJ it's actually annoying, but this is a minor criticism; she's fine otherwise. Speaking of excessive, some of the death scenes are so overdone they'll strike some people as more funny than creepy, e.g. Aunt Connie.

but I just hated how it gave the film a "teen" angle,


More like young adult or college-age, which the original had as well with Curtis' character.

and the scene on the party boat was kind of ridiculous (as well as the black guy being found in the freezer).


Isn't a boat party, as portrayed, something youths would do to have fun on the desolate coast of Oregon? And isn't this whole sequence more interesting and effective than the one with the three sailor-drunks in the original? I think so.

As far as the freezer goes, the dude's only recourse was to seek succor in the freezer and, apparently, there was just enough air to keep him alive till the next morning. What's so ridiculous? Besides, it appears like he's dead and then his eyes pop open, which is effectively jolting.

and it had zero atmosphere


Zero? C'mon, you know this isn't true. The first time I saw it I hadn't seen the original for a decade or so and one of the first things that impressed me was the haunting ambiance. Is it as good as the original in this regard? No, but it's hard to beat that 1979-80 charm. Despite this, the remake is more compelling, i.e. less draggy, even though it's 13 minutes longer.

The original also has a much better score, with the music being some of the best music ever done in a horror film (the main theme is just amazing).


The only part that's better is the amazing end-credits piece, which is (inexplicably) only used once in the proper film (albeit a variation, when the boy finds the artifact on the coast). The rest of the score of the original is too minimal to praise and the remake's score/soundtrack is arguably as good or better, albeit no where near as notable as the aforementioned piece of the original.

I'm not saying this remake is some near-masterpiece, like the remake of "Last House on the Left" (which I guess was easier to accomplish since the original "Last House" was so lame). But this 2005 version of "The Fog" is, if nothing else, a well-done upgrading of the original; and, if we're honest, even superior in some ways.


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To me, that makes the original a lot more compelling than anything the remake had in its entirety.


The ghost story at the shore was a cool opening, but it doesn't change the fact that the original film was draggy. The remake is rather slow as well, but the filmmakers clearly improved on this weakness.

Anymore, though, I don't mind the slowness of the original so much. In light of modern blockbuster dreck for the ADHD crowd I find the draggy-ness of the original kind of refreshing, lol.

I preferred Father Malone relating the story by way of journal, because it gives the audience the chance to view the story of the wreck in their own imaginations, rather than simply showing us what happened; to me that just ruins some of the mystique about the wreck; in certain films, flashbacks are ok and necessary, but in the case of The Fog, I don't believe it was.


They didn't go the verbal ghost story route with the remake for a few reasons: (1.) The backstory was changed so that the forefathers of Antonio Bay didn't just light a false fire on shore to lead the leper ship to crash on the rocks, they boarded the vessel and set it ablaze. Such an event demands to be depicted in the visual medium of cinema. (2.) Captain William Blake and his wife from the clipper ship are important characters in the story, as the ending shows (Elizabeth, obviously the reincarnation of Blake's wife, transforms into a spirit to reunite with Blake). As such, viewers needed to know who these characters were. (3.) If they didn't change the backstory and depict the burning of the ship we wouldn't have the spectacular sequences of the blazing ship and victims, which is one of the strengths of the remake. (4.) Say what you will, but the changes to the backstory and they're depiction are more interesting and exciting than an old man telling a ghost story. (5.) Film is a visual medium so depicting the story rather than merely telling it is appropriate.

The issue of the back story brings up a possible weakness of the original film: The old journal says that the forefathers lit a false fire on shore to lead the ship into the rocks and they just so happened to be aided by a huge fog bank that rolled in. What if the fog bank hadn't come? (They had no reason to assume a fog bank would roll in). Would the lepers still have been misled by the fire? How so, if they could see the rocks? Wouldn't the lepers have scouted out the area of settlement beforehand and known about the rocks? And why would they trust these guys to such an extent, particularly since they had all this gold on board?

I know, I'm giving it too much thought for a horror flick, but these points show some apparent weaknesses of the original backstory.

Not really; it was more comical to me than anything;


It could either be comical or creepy; it depends on the person and his/her mood (I busted out laughing at Aunt Connie's death). Regardless, the scene's purpose was to give the viewer a jolt and it does, whether humorous or scary.

the dead body of Dick Baxter falling on Elizabeth in the original? that's effective.


This reveals another weakness of the original film: The make-up on that dead body looked fake. It looked like the "corpse" had a pull-over mask on his head. But this isn't really a negative for me since I can overlook weak F/X as long as the story/mood/characters/etc. are good (after all, I'm a fan of the Original Star Trek).

Barbeau has looks and a sultry voice to boot (which makes her double attractive in my book); Jaime Lee Curtis may not be as curvy, but she has a lovely face,


They're both indeed fine examples of womanhood, but Carpenter didn't really highlight this like they did with Maggie in the remake (and a little bit with Selma Blair).

I just don't get the bashing this 2005 version has gotten; not even a little bit. Like I said, it's not a near-masterpiece like the remake of "Last House on the Left," but it's a well-done reimagining that sticks to the basic story while adding some interesting changes. If they would've stuck any closer to the original it would've been unnecessary and condemned like the remake of "Psycho."

But if you think it's a piece of sheet, that's fine with me.


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By the way, I enjoyed your list of 50 favorite horror films -- good stuff!


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