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How many viewers know what a paedophile is? How many care?


A paedophile is a person who finds prepubescent boys or girls sexually attractive, but you wouldn't know it if you watched this film or listened to a news reporter or even the Prime Minister of Great Britain. The word is widely misused to mean child molester or just generally sex offender who targets under 18s and in a film that's centred around a person's torture and eventual suicide, it's pretty important that we're clear on what we mean when we say "he's a pedophile".

This is actually is very serious problem that few people, it seems, have given thought to. Because most people don't differentiate between a child molester and a person who simply has the attraction, many people are misdirecting their hatred towards anybody with the condition rather than those who have actually abused children. This is passionate hatred of any adult who finds a child attractive is obviously not rightly earned because nobody has any choice in what looks attractive to them - it was no more anybody here's decision not to find children attractive than it was another's decision to be a paedophile.

Something few people are aware of is the suffering of teenagers who are discovering their sexual orientation like everybody else and find they are attracted to children. Many young people in that situation struggle with immense guilt, shame, and conflict because of the seething hatred of paedophiles - hatred of the condition rather than hatred of the act of child abuse. The situation gets even worse when you take a look at what just about every person's advice would be to somebody who discovers that they find children attractive, "Get help!".

If you were a paedophile, how comfortable and safe would you feel telling another person about it? And that's just it - most will never open up and tell anybody about it and that includes doctors or therapists. There are people who have actually abused children who might not have done had they sought and received help - the environment we have created is *terrible* when it comes to preventing sexual abuse! We need to see the madness we've been perpetuating and treat it as we do every other psychological condition - we *help* people with the condition, we don't hate them and strike fear into them!

The reality is that most paedophiles do not sexually offend, not all are even in need of therapy as a person's sexuality (set of attractions) cannot be changed, all that can be treated is a person's urges to solicit sex and many paedophiles do not struggle with any such urges.

We are currently in the stage the Victorians were in when they feared, hated, and punished schizophrenics. Now we understand that it's senseless to hate a person for having an illness and we treat it humanely and intelligently. There is no such thing as a "defence of paedophilia" just as there is no "defence of schizophrenia" - it's an unchosen condition, it can't be morally judged.

If we insist on satisfying torture fantasies and relishing thoughts of violence and murder then at least we should be clear that we're directing these at people who have raped or murdered children (murdering a child is far more the act of a rapist than a child molester acting out of attraction - the Jeff character in real life would likely not be a paedophile at all, not that the creators seemed to care) - I find such vengeance to be barbaric and beneath us as human beings, I understand the emotions but to wish for it is a very ugly, dark and disturbing thing, I find.

The Jeff character was worthy of hatred but not because "he'd a pedophile" - because he was a rapist and a murderer. If we don't bother to differentiate between the two then more and more people will continue to suffer - innocent adults and innocent children.

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Okay, so let's say you have a daughter between 10 and 12 years old, and the two of you are playing in some park. Now there's a guy sitting on a bench, watching your daughter. Sure, he hasn't touched her or hurt her in any way, so I guess we should just show him understanding while he's staring at her with those hungry eyes, doing all kinds of things with her in his mind?

Had it been my daughter, I'd tell that creep to stay the *beep* away from her. And had he tried to approach her in any way, there's a strong possibility that I'd even become physical, to scare him away.

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You'd do the same if she was 22 and you didn't like the guy. So it's not really a matter of age.

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I'm way, way late into this conversation, but something like this actually happened to me. I was volunteering at a festival, and it was just a beautiful day. I was taking tons of pictures of people, trees, etc., etc. and a man came up to me and just went ballistic. Before I go further, let me say--I'm a teacher, a Mom, and grandmother. Those things aren't necessarily exclusive to pedophilia, mind you, but appearances really do matter.

This man was livid because I had taken pictures, although he had no idea if his children were photographed or not. I showed him my camera, offered to remove the pictures that he didn't want me to have--but turns out he wasn't really angry over his children's likenesses, or that I could have been a pedophile. He was an aging hippie (well, so am I...) and didn't want to show his identity to anyone! He did have a resemblance to a young Abbie Hoffman, but I have been careful of that scenario since then.

But any adult who cares for children, in education or as a relative, most likely knows the term "pedophile".





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OP has articulated my thoughts in a way I can't. To understand and help someone you don't need to condone their actions or even have sympathy. We are all born with our "wiring" pretty much set. Judging each other for this doesn't have any positive impact on society.

At the moment society has developed a system where a pedophile has to act on his feelings (thus putting an innocent young person through hell) before anybody does anything. It's easier to punish a wrong, rather than work to prevent it.

We have rehab and support groups for addicts. Therapists and sometimes medication for the mentaly ill. Hospitals and doctors for the physically ill.

OP mentions schizophrenia, but there are so many mental illnesses / disorders society has wasted time punishing or ignoring. Manic depression, post traumatic depression, post natal depression, post natal pychosis, autism etc. So many lives could have been saved or improved if we had stopped judging and started helping.

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So... you're saying what, that people who are sexually attracted to children are the great unsung majority, that you're worse off then people hung by the KKK, that while every other group is allowed to blend into American culture the poor misunderstood person who gets off on kids is still persecuted, like the innocent people killed as witches?

Wow... just wow...this is what evil is, a person who does evil and thinks it's right. I'm guessing every rapist thinks it's women's fault for being 'stuck up'.

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No, he's saying that people shouldn't be persecuted because of their mental illness because if they are afraid of seeking help, they will never be cured.

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Some girls don't star puberty until 18. Some 14 years old are post pubestant some are not.

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The average age for puberty to start is age 8. That means girls as young as 4 and as old as 18 could start puberty.

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What a load of bullcrap.

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Excuse me?

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You're excused.

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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

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lol the bottom line is it's a taboo subject and some people check their brain at the door when faced with the issue of pedophilia. If soccer moms had their way, the age of consent would be 25.

I'm not saying teenagers don't get preyed upon by sexual predators, but those types of incidents are worlds away from young children being raped. The former is caused by bad upbringing and bad family structure, while the latter is overt assault on a defenseless child. Teenagers are aware of sex and abuse, and if they aren't, something went wrong. The age of consent is years lower in some non-US countries. You can argue all you want, but the US has a huge problem with teenage pregnancies and all sorts of other sexual dysfunctions. The proof is in the numbers. The blood and guns over nipples cultural strategy clearly is not working to help that problem, so any self-righteous wailing from americans on this issue will fall on deaf ears, if those ears belong to someone of any intellect.

Fortunately, the whole alarmist "to catch a predator" culture seems to be losing steam. Keep in mind this phenomenon all took place while toddlers were raped and murdered openly in some places in Africa, and we never heard Dateline make a circus show out of it.

Why can't you be a non-conformist like everyone else?

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I find such vengeance to be barbaric and beneath us as human beings, I understand the emotions but to wish for it is a very ugly, dark and disturbing thing, I find.

Sure, but wanting to have sex with children is fine, really. Just misunderstood. Some of them never even act on it. They're like monks. They have urges but just keep them quiet. And when they don't, well, it's not really rape if they want it too, right?

It's amazing how you manage to think and speak of pedophilia as if it was a natural orientation repressed by society, like homosexuality. It's not. Pedophiles have psychological issues that lead them to being attracted by children. They are not "born this way". That's why they need and should seek out help before they blow a fuse and turn rapists. But most of them don't because, just like you, they think of themselves as victims of society, to justify their urges. I guess that keeps them from suicide. Nobody wants to face the ugliness inside them. It's easier to just look for excuses and apologies.

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There's no proof of that, there are lots of pedophiles who grew up in perfectly normally house holds, had good childhoods. This used to be the same excuse for homosexuality. I truly believe that people who are attracted to children need to be locked away, but people used to say that about gay people too and now everyone argues for their right to get married and be "accepted". Give it 50 years, we will see 13 year olds being married off to 50 year olds again. I promise.

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Um, no, we won't. Don't promise what you can't deliver.

Having sex and falling in love with someone of the same gender is not the same as raping a child.

"Geez, now that two consenting adults can get married, it's only a matter of time before adults are allowed to marry children."

So says the Bigot.

Some paedophiles are attracted only to pre-pubescent children; some are attracted to adolescents, as well; and some also to adults.

Paedophilia is not chosen. However, if a paedophile begins to feel that he will not be able to stop himself from acting on his sexual orientation, and feels that he will harm a child, he is right to consider self-imposed chemical castration.

There are support groups in which paedophiles enable each other and support their orientation as "natural", ignoring the fact that if they act on their natural orientation, they are violently harming a child. What is less well known is that there are also paedophile support groups that recognize that their orientation is harmful if acted upon, and in which they work very hard to keep each other on the straight and narrow.

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I'm pretty sure you are wrong about them not being born that way. Just like homosexuals are wired that way because of a process during their development in the womb it would make sense if pedophiles were the same way. Frankly there are almost 8 billion people on the planet, I'm pretty sure we could kill all the pedophiles and the world would be a better place. It might not be their fault they were born with that defect, but that doesn't mean it's okay for them to ruin kid's lives. Look at Sandusky at Penn State.

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1 out of every 4 girls and 1 out of every 6 boys are sexually molested before the age of 16. I think there are a lot of ppl out there who care. Pedophiles are a cancer to society and should be treated as thus.

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1 out of every 4 girls and 1 out of every 6 boys


That's a lie.

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68% percent of statistics are made up on the spot.

86% of people know that.




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68% of these words say this.

86% of those words say that.









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Do you have any evidence of these numbers? Didn't think so.

BTW paedophiles does not equal child-molester or rapist, which is the whole point of this topic...
If you had said "Child-molesters are a cancer to society and should be treated as thus" I might have believed you had your own brain, rather than sharing the one with all the other 'paedophiles must be tortured and killed' crew.

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