Just finished watching the final episode where John is exorcised of all his demons.. the episode just kind of finished without any explanation.
He was kidding, right!?
The VCR didn't kick in till John was meeting the exorcist, so not sure if I missed some vital information...
Was he hypnotised/drugged/faking it?? John was pulling some exceptionally freaky heads during the session.
I thought he was acting and it was all entertainment. What kind of finale would it have been if he said this isn't doing anything for me. This made the finale more epic.
shareits funny how whenever something "unbelievable" happens everyone, on instinct, refuses validity to the situation, making whicheverso excuses that, sure, CAN be the explanation for it like "it was a hoax." "it was rigged" etc, yet puzzling enough continues with this lame argument even at times when objective observation and deduction would tell otherwise. maybe its easier to label something as fake rather than being left in the dark, and, with no clear explanation, not wanting to acknowledge the possibility of what the situation is trying to sell you, whether it be ghosts or excorcisms or david copperfield.
anyways, thats all off point...
some people mentioned that he done alot of study on people in exorcism situations and therefore has learnt how to fake one?
..i think people are over estimating his intelligence and acting talents. he's a brat with a smart mouth havin fun at playing...er...god/satan...he is not hannibal lector.
"...John's whole mission was to take piss out of Religion and show how (y'kno) it is and then the FINAL episode, the one that is supposed to stick with you, you see John, our hero, fall to what seems the powers of excorsism.."
well thats kind of the joke and irony isn't it? i mean he's gone through all these exoctic and esoteric means at the hope of spiritual insight and somehow expecting to find god and in the end pulls out something so unexpectedly cliched to complete his running joke of "left winged pinkos taking themselves too seriously." and THATS his genius...not being an oscar worthy actor...plus i think what you said kind of gives light as to why so many people reject the exorcism as "real." throughout the series john has taken the audience with him through his experiences and has shown his flaws and strengths...he has gained our "trust" so to speak. and in the final episode that trust is betrayed because he behaves in such a way thats unrecognizable of the safran we know and it makes us uncomfortable and the way we deal with this "confusion" is by subconsciously "eliminating" one of the "john safrans".
i don't think he faked it. at least not in the sense that the whole thing was a conscious set up of he and his team. but i don't think he was possessed either....maybe like..13%(hey i like to keep an open mind about things.). personally i am not decided on one particular explanation. hypnosis? maybe, but definately not any form of which any psychologist will admit "exists". i noticed that in the interview link above that john kept mentioning that bob larson was a very magnetic and "charismatic" person which attracted john in the first place. which, placed in the context lends to some suspicion. SOMETHING definately happened there, it may not be an exorcism, but hey, maybe bob larson is actually satan on earth and he commanded his army of demons to go into john safran for like an hour for the show just so people will believe in catholicism and give him lots and lots of money thus commercializing and de-purifying the sacredness of the entire religion and RULE THE WORLD! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!! well that would certainly be more fun. but yeah, perhaps he somehow "put the demons in" john non-literally, cause john only started goin weird when the whole ex thing started.
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You don't think he faked it? So you think he got evil spirits inside of him for doing yoga? 0__o
shareAnyone who doesn't realize the "exorcism" and Safran's subsequent explanations are completely tongue in cheek, is pretty dim. Do you people not know anything about the man? He is an atheist comedian who produced an entire series about ridiculous religious rituals, and now some people are naive enough to think that in the last episode of a TV Show entitled "Safran against God" he really was exorcised by some religious nutjob. Unbelievable.
shareI completely agree with you; many people are focusing too much on whether or not the exorcism was authentic. The one thing we should focus on is Larson's prejudice of other religions and his representation of Christianity as the righteous faith. I'm not here to argue which religion is the correct one. But by the time Larson started pressuring John to "forgive" Hitler I was speechless--that has to be one of the most idiotic things I heard from this evangelist freak. Is this supposed to relieve John's hatred of the Nazis because his family is Jewish?! All I got from Larson's interrogation via the survey/checklist was that if you're not Christian-protestant than you're possessed by the very demon that is your faith. I think extremists like him scare away those who are interested in converting to Christianity or learning more about the religion. I'm a buddhist so I'm very open to all religion.
I'm from the US so I just saw this episode (Sundance is telecasting his show out of order; starting from the last two episodes) last Thursday. I'm not aware what he had confirmed in past interviews but I wouldn't read into the exorcist session too much. I'm a psych major so I definitely believe that either John is putting on a show or it's purely hypnosis. Even on the basis of hypnosis, it's pseudo-science and involves only suggestions ie placebo effect.
I agree. The whole time I was more disturbed with Bob Larson's behaviour than that of John's. From the start of the episode, I couldn't get over how disturbing this man was. He definitely fits the mould of a manipulate Christian evangelist. He seems very adept at breaking people with verbal abuse. You don't have to wonder why he let cameras into the room. Just reading the comments by some of the people on this board sums up the faith Bob has in his abilities as a manipulator and hypnotist.
For all you who believe it was real, go have a read about Bob Larson and the indiscretions of other evangelists. He believes that anything opposed to Christianity is the work of the devil. That's assuming you agree with him that 67% of the world population are demon infested devil worshippers.
I remember the episode John was doing about Mormons. John interviewed Bob and was trying to learn more about the Mormons' "Magic underpants." Bob went on about how he debated with Mormons and constantly asked them: "I wanna see your underwear. Let me see your sacred underwear!" Just the tone in his voice made him seem like a total ***hole. Who in their right mind who casually pull down their pants and lift up their shirt just to show this crazy fundamentalist their underwear in the middle of a conversation?
shareno, what i SAID was i dont think he faked it. i dont know what happened. he might have been hypnotised...maybe.
shareIn the DVD extras, it says that there's "shocking extra exorcism footage" or something like that. I just wanted to know is any of the extra exorcism footage actually any good? I donno, seems like the best stuff was surely aired, but then again I like watching extensive footage sometimes of weird *beep* like that. Just don't know if it's worth 30 USD for the cost to buy and ship it to me in the US.
share"SOMETHING definately happened there, it may not be an exorcism, but hey, maybe bob larson is actually satan on earth and he commanded his army of demons to go into john safran for like an hour for the show just so people will believe in catholicism and give him lots and lots of money thus commercializing and de-purifying the sacredness of the entire religion and RULE THE WORLD!"
er... were you even paying attention while watching this episode? Bob Larson is christian, not catholic. they are two completely different religions, although catholicism is based off the christian bible. i doubt he's satan and i doubt he wants people's money, because money probably means little to him, being a christian.
for those of you talking about jesus, this is the gospel(good news) of christianity: jesus was god's one and only son, sent to earth, to be sacrificed for humanity. humans have a sinful nature, and in order re-establish a good relationship with them, god sent jesus to harbour our sins. for those that believe in the bible and repent (turning away from sinful nature... it is extremely hard, btw), they are granted eternal life, in heaven. for those who know the gospel and do not repent, they're condemned to hell, for eternity.
i am not christian however i know many christians and i've debated with them many times on the subject of christianity and whether it is a suitable way to live your life. i've come to realise christianity is probably the most reasonable (and applicable in morality) religion. those posts a few pages back about those terrible people with mass killings, etc. are not truly christian, for what they did is not the way of the bible. they may say they are and truly believe they are, but they're in for a surprise when they die.
remember that religion can be corrupted only by the people who showcase it. religion is a powerful way to rule the world, and people will deceive anyone they can to obtain power. read the bible yourself if you wish to find out.
we can just continue the discussion here, i suppose. i'm no master at debate but i could probably answer most of the questions people pass my way correctly.
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First of all, "Christian" and "Catholic" are not two completely different religions. All Catholics are Christians, though not all Christians are Catholics. You say you're not a Christian, but it sounds like you subscribe to the nonsense of the religion ("they're in for a surprise when they die").
I think Safran was faking, simply playing along. Having this as the final episode is a perfect sop to the religious people in the audience: "if anything in this series offended you, it wasn't me, it was the demons. They're gone now, so don't hurt me."
It was hilarious that the African Americans were charged with exorcising the "African" demons, and Safran was charged with forgiving Hitler.
I think it was hypnosis ,do you want to kno why,well first of all the preacher guy keep making john look into his eyes.if u look carefully he use hypnosis techniques.i knew some guys who can put any one into a deep trance in less than 30 seconds.the peracher most likely is skilled in hypnosis. Second of all he could have faked the entire show to promote christinity.he might b in a society like the jesuits pretending to be an athiest in order to promote christinity.president bush that pastor said he met ,DONT he kno president bish is a freemason skull and ones conformed.THIS entire show was a fake John choose to crack on christinity LAST.so he could promote it.bush is a satanist who worship molech.google it.john was hynpnotise ,or most likely payed a hella lot of $ to promote christinity.chrsitians for jews movement by pastor john heggie.its all *beep* IS BS we need sprituality.besides why would the christian god wait till 0 AD to start his religion? y didnt he do it 12000 years b4?egyptians? even hindusim .why didnt the christ god set up his religion then?at teh begining of TIME. JOHN TOTALLY FAKES THE ENTIRE SHOW to promote his RELIGION!
sharehmm this last episode confused me! Safran says that he doesnt really remember it much. what the hell is going on here! He's an antagonist, agnostic at best, seems very down to earth and sincere in the way he takes the piss out of ppl and religion and pretty much everything. His lisp was gone during the exorcism scenes! He just doesnt seem like the kind of person that would fake shyte for ratings or whatever! was it hypnotism? i have to believe it was! i cant see safran as faking stuff and acting. All of his stuff is successful because he's honest and just a normal guy. I love safrans stuff, if this last exorcism episode was a gimmick, i'd be so disillusioned by everything else he's ever done. He's not a sell out... maybe safran should do a segment on hypnotism? or at least more thouroughly explain wtf went on with that last episode...
sharei think it may have been real. just think of how much stuff he exposed himself to throughout the show..bad spirits demons etc. i don't think he would have faked it to promote the show because it was something different to what the rest of the series was about.
shareOfcourse it was fake.
shareAccording to Bob Larson's beliefs, hypnotism is one of the things on his list that can cause demonic possession. When you clear a person's mind, a demon enters in and takes over, which is why people do things or act out of their will. Why would Bob Larson use demons to cast out demons? It's contradictory. It's like what Jesus said... "a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand."
Even though I believe in possession and exorcisms, I definitely think something shifty was going down here. For example, how he had no symptoms of possession whatsoever, until that guy started saying he did? Yeah, that's not weird at all. I really don't think Satan, or whatever power of evil, would actually wait until it was called out to act.
I think this fellow is just a player of mind games, a hypnotist, whatever you want to call it. The part where he tries to convince John that his parents didn't love him? Or get him to forgive Hitler? That he thinks that African Americans have some sort of secret African-demon-exorcising powers? That he thinks any religion (even a Christian one) that isn't his own is demonic? Seems to me that he thinks that everyone is possessed. I mean, everyone but him and those like him. I don't know about you, but none of this sounds like sane or healthy reasoning to me.
Of course, this may just be Satan talking.
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Observe: This girl is about to be beaten with sticks. She has offended you, surely.
If all these religions and other practices are deemed dangerous, does that mean that they actually have a power of their own? In other words, there are multiple gods or spirits fighting over us?
If that is the case, it suggests there in not only one god, not only one right religion.
Something to ponder...
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He was a little too generous by being open-minded at what is clearly a made-up idea. So, it was some form of hypnotism. Exorcisms have no empirical or factual basis.
and lol. Did you guys not catch the humorous parts of it? Mentioning the KKK in a room with many African-Americans. And having the African-Americans get rid of an African curse! lololol
Hypnosis though the power of suggestion. Skilled stage magicians have done it since forever. So have many "exorcists" and "faith healers", all using the same techniques. It's just simple mind tricks, nothing more. I can't believe this whole discussion on whether it was "real" or not is lead over such an old stage trick. We've seen stage artists like Derren Brown do exactly the same thing to random people and then explain to them it was all a trick and nothing spiritual or out of this world happened, for *beep* sakes....
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