Id be interested to hear what non US citizens thought of this movie


Greets,
It is interesting to me how much me and my friends talk about American politics. Obviously if you are interested in the politics of the world at all you will follow what goes on stateside, and it is definitely more dramatic than the politics of smaller nations, but there is more to it than that. I think people are genuinely concerned. For all these reasons I found outfoxed fascinating.
Im from Ireland, where we have what I think is a fairly neutral and unbaised national news network, RTE. Like alot of small nations (where nothing much seems to happen) the Irish take a larger interest in world affairs than say Americans do(having bigger domestic issues) and RTE also reflects this in its news.
I was *shocked* watching Bill O'Rielly (and embarrassed I might add, sharing an Irish name with this guy) and his aggressive, hectoring and thuggish way of dealing with his "guests". I can honestly say that if any Irish news broadcaster told a guest to "shut up" on air in that tone, there would be numerous complaints and I would imagine his/her career would be in question. Some of the crude humour and obvious personal attacks on politicians made my stomach turn, and also wouldnt be acceptable in any Irish media. I was left wondering how any American (down-to-earth rational people as I have met them on my travels) could watch this stuff, and the scary thought was the only explanation is that America is an extremely divided and partisan country at the moment.
Is Irish news just an abberation? What happens in your part of the world?

regards,
ed.

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good point indeed, though completely irrelevant still a great way to counter another completely irrelevant point of "the us role on saving europe during the ww2".

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One of the sad facts about American life nowadays is that the parameters of "mainstream" debate are very narrow and strongly skewed to the right. This has been a problem for a long time, but became critical following the death of the Fairness Doctrine, the proliferation of right-wing "think tanks" like the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute, and the rise of right-wing hate radio (e.g. Rush Limbagh, Michael Davage, G. Gordon Liddy). Today, left of center views simply do not exist within the American mainstream, with the result that they barely exist within the US population. To get real left of center veiws these days in the US, one has to turn to the alternative or foriegn press.

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For years, decades in fact, European countries copied US mechanisms (including the way TV is made). Mostly because it's making money.

It's scary to think that, by this logic, a FOX News equivalent should show up in my home country sometime within the next few years. From the distance I have now, Fox News seems to be an almost impossibly superficial, extremist, politically biased, badly-researched program, ignoring every ideal of objective journalism.

It's like politics suddenly gets this huge news-show. It's like the opposite of the Daily Show, only that they (and their viewers) take themselves dead-serious and they got a whole TV channel instead of a 20-minute comedy show.

It's pure propaganda for the Republicans. And so incredibly obvious, also. If you watch Fox News and claim it's fair journalism, you have a problem. You're blind for an entire set of valuable arguments that state pretty much the opposite of what is claimed on this channel. And if Fox's biased visions of how an ideal America should look like will ever become a reality, you'd deeply regret jumping on this propaganda train.

If there is a pop-culture symbol for what is wrong with America in the year 2007, then it's Fox-News.

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Thank you movie-scientists, for explaining me why I shouldn't enjoy this movie.

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I watch Fox News on a regular basis. I live in Glasgow, in the UK and we get it through SKY (which I really should cancel given what I feel about Rupert Murdoch!).

I thought it was interesting but to be honest, you'd have to be an eejit to think that Fox news is "fair and balanced" or even journalism, let alone "real journalism". It is clear that, with a few exceptions, most Fox newcasters or anchor people (kind of semantics) are told what to say even if they don't believe it. Alternatively, they work for Fox because it provides them with a vehicle for their own political views and apparently no critical populace to challenge the veracity of said views. "Some might say" (They stole that from Oasis!).

It wasn't a revelation to me and I am suprised that anybody could be suprised by that. It is almost comedic in it's predictability. From my exposure to Fox news I am starting to think that America has no economy or social issues (oops, apart from gay people and black people). Just a big ol' country waging an endless "war on terror". ALERT! Thankfully, I have met enough people throughout the world to know that we are essentially the same - oft eejits, oft saints but neither one or the other dependent on our geographical status.

I don't live in America (in fact I have never been there)and I don't know very much about journalism so perhaps previous posters make some valid points when they talk about a perception of a pre-existing 'liberal bias' in other news networks. It does raise questions about the potential benefits of a publicly funded (and thereby, publicly accountable?) broadcaster. I would never claim that the BBC is without political bias though. I just think people get more annoyed about it cos they pay for it.

I also wonder if the days of propaganda masquerading as news is short lived with the global communications revolution? I think it's an interesting idea. From whence do we form our views or have them challenged? For me, it's t'internet, not the TV.

What was more interesting was the presentation (backed up by the often anonymous testimonies of previous employees), that harassment and bullying of employees who failed to tow the party line; was common place. I can stop hating everybody who sells their soul and compromises their journalist integrity to work on Fox news now after watching this. Don't they have Trade Unions?

That's about it. Nothing new but I am grateful that some people may have learnt something new from it and I hope that it raises questions amongst Fox viewers, if not their sponsors!










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I am danish by birth and love to watch FOX news. Not because I am gung-ho anti-stemcell, anti-abortion type conservative. No I watch FOX news and listen to FOX news radio, simply because they present the news in an entertaining way.

Some say "Man the reason why they make FOX news entertaining is to attrack stupid people". But must the news be boring?

On FOX reports and anchors have their own opinion on the news of the day. I like that!

While lets take the BBC they often to have okay Africa coverage, but who do they speak for? British Government? BBC?

/Fred

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I wathced this the first time back in 2006 for English Communications, i had heard of FOX news, Newscorp and of Course Rupert Murdoch ( The guy comes from my home state South Australia, and basically started our news paper company thats still running)After watching it, me and my mate paul could not stop laughing at Bill O'Reilly, we just kept yelling SHUT UP at people that pissed us off. Then i got home, and put on FOXTEL (yeah, ironic huh!) it's our version of cable in Australia owned by FOX. I put it on FOX NEWS and watched Bill for a bit, talking about something in America, theni swithced it over to Channel 10 news, a channle i actually trust. And i can see the difference straight away.

I was also however suprised that my local newpaper owned by Newscorp did'nt say the stuff liek FOX news does and in their style. Basically i belive the Australian people want their news the way they want it, the proper way, not like FOX news which is actually never watched in Australia, i can gaurntee that. I sort link the style of FOX news to those pathetic and very very crap gossip magazines that you see a lot of women read, you know which ones iam on about, the ones that talke about which washed up actor is with who and the pathetic tales that Keira Knightly is anorexic. I easily see FOX news to be jsut a glorifed telvision version of those crap magazines.

But i got particulary upset when Dave Gibbons, a comic book writer, the guy who wrote WATCHMEN appeared on FOX, teh useless questions they asked that guy, just infuriated me!!

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I truly liked this documentary. It scared me and made me feel sorry for americans. From an european perspective Bill O'Reilly and people like him make the worst nazi agitators like Goebbels seem like moderate liberals...

Sh!tkicker from Finland

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