Seriously? No love for T Ray?


After watching this movie, the first thing I thought was how T. Ray completely the short end of the stick in all this. He falls madly in love, and then for no reason his woman falls OUT of love with him, but "has" to marry him because she is pregnant. She ditches him, then comes back and is killed while trying to leave him for good WITH the daughter. Yes, he is a little hard on Lily w/ the grits stuff (not as bad as the belt strap talk we heard later from August, let's get some perspective on the times they were living in people), but perhaps he was concerned about his daughter doing to another boy what her mom did to him. Plus, this daughter KILLED the woman he loved, so yeah, there are some resentment issues there.

T Ray's life clearly falls apart when she is not around, so he goes and finds her and wants to bring her HOME. He has some major abandonment issues, and while his daughter does finally show she understands why life has been so rough on him and what he went through, she STILL sh*ts on him and refuses to come back with him. For that one small moment, it wasn't all about Lily, and then that moment is immediately gone. She doesn't even have the decency/respect to call him dad or father. She *beep* calls him T Ray!

I came on the boards after the movie, as I usually do, hoping to see that others felt the same way I did, but NO ONE DID. Please tell me there are people out there who felt bad for T Ray in all this!

I am by no means a troll and love IMDB, but SERIOUSLY, NO ONE felt bad for him?!?!?!

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Frankly, I don't care how 'hard' life was for him. You do not treat a child like that or you don't keep them at all. I felt that he was abusive to his wife as well. He was abusive, mentally and physically. So yes, NO LOVE FOR T-RAY!!!!!

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I felt bad for T Ray in the end, when he told Lily the truth and admitted why he lied. But the bottom line is, he was abusive to her physically and emotionally. The fact that he wasn't as abusive as others were is irrelevant. Plus, it's clear at the end that there is something wrong with him if he is going to literally hallucinate and see that his daughter is his wife. And beat her. That can have dangerous repercussions in more ways than one. Seriously speaking imagine you were Lily's caretaker. Would you want to leave her with this man that makes her kneel on grits, hits her, and envisions that she is his dead wife and then beats her again? I certainly wouldn't.


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I got the impression T-Ray was abusive to Deborah, as August says when Deborah came back to the house she was a shadow of her former self: skinny & scared.

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Frankly, I don't care how 'hard' life was for him. You do not treat a child like that or you don't keep them at all.
This part is perfect ....

but you cant judge a husband wife situation, either way. Abusive men have lots of crazy reasons to be abusive, but abusive women are born primarily because of the blind support people like you give them

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To get love you have to give love and I didn't see any love coming out of T.Ray. Even before he makes her kneel on grits for an hour (which is a form of torture) he treats his daughter as if she is a nuissance. She called him T.Ray because he didn't act like a real father. Being ditched by your wife is no excuse for child abuse or emotional neglect.

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Being ditched by your wife is no excuse for child abuse or emotional neglect.


This^^

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Some of you guys make it out like T Ray is some angel and his wife just got bored and left. It's been a while since I read the book, but in the movie at least, by the time his wife left and got to August's house she was really depressed and not herself. I don't think she gets depressed because her husband is just fine but she just got bored. From the way he treats Lily, I was under the impression he didn't exactly treat his wife the greatest way.

If someone remembers details from the book and I'm completely wrong, please point them out. Though now I feel like rereading it. :)

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@ashleyvw2009 I just read the book a few days ago actually, in the book she calls her father just once because she wants to see if he actually loves her but he just responds with anger,although he is able to trace the call and come find her. In the book it is made clear that he wants her back for his own pride rather than his love for her. In the movie this fact is a little less clear, but T-ray doesn't really love lilly, he loved her mother and he resents her because her mom loved her when she didn't love him. The book idicates that her mother was depressed and left because T-ray didn't treat her well.

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In the book, he told her early on not to call him Daddy. She picked T-Ray but he was the one who didn't want to be Daddy.

(I completely agree with your point, just telling the book perspective.)

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Whoa, seriously? Are you sure that you actually like T-Ray? Or maybe just the cuteness factor of Paul Bettany? If T-Ray was played by a fat, ugly man, would you still care for him?

He falls madly in love, and then for no reason his woman falls OUT of love with him

we don't know she fell out of love with him "for no reason." it seems to me that people don't BECOME abusers because of one tragic event in their life. Yes, he was torn up by her leaving him. But don't you think it's highly likely that whatever selfish, abusive tendencies he later exhibited might have also been present before Deborah left him? That those tendencies might, in fact, be the REASON she fell out of love with him? Nobody falls in love with an abuser. They are usually extremely charming and loveable in the beginning. it's only once the relationship is secure and they have a hook on the other person that those qualities tend to come out.

Yes, he is a little hard on Lily w/ the grits stuff (not as bad as the belt strap talk we heard later from August, let's get some perspective on the times they were living in people)

oh really? so using a belt strap on someone (which, incidentally, can be done so as not to leave a mark OR pain longer than the length of minutes) is somehow worse than leaving your child to kneel on grits FOR AN HOUR, which physically tears the skin and prevents full range of motion hours later? Understand, I'm in no way promoting the belting of children. But I do think we should have some perspective here. It wasn't that long ago (my childhood, and I'm not even 30) that belting was common and usually not as severe as the extreme cases that can actually be classified as abuse. but kneeling on grits isn't dependent on amount of force: you're either on them or you're not.

so for me, the fact that this guy habitually uses this as a form of punishment for his daughter, in addition to the other physical abuse (slapping, pushing) and extreme emotional neglect, is good evidence that T-Ray deserved everything he got from the woman he loved.

T Ray's life clearly falls apart when she is not around, so he goes and finds her and wants to bring her HOME. He has some major abandonment issues, and while his daughter does finally show she understands why life has been so rough on him and what he went through, she STILL sh*ts on him and refuses to come back with him. For that one small moment, it wasn't all about Lily, and then that moment is immediately gone. She doesn't even have the decency/respect to call him dad or father. She *beep* calls him T Ray!

So...you aren't faulting T-Ray for thinking only of himself for the entire length of his daughter's 14 year life? You don't find him the most selfish, self-centered character in the entire story? You think it was asking too much of us to expect him to show his daughter ANY affection? God forbid he ever, at any point, act like he loves her. What in the world has this man EVER done to deserve the respect of his daughter?

I mean, seriously. The man obviously has abandonment issues, yes. But he couldn't even PRETEND that he wanted her back because he cared about her, even a little? It seemed pretty obvious to me that he only wanted her back because he couldn't stand the idea of someone else leaving him. Once again, it's all about T-Ray. He knows exactly what damage he's doing to his daughter, but he doesn't care one bit.

Yes, I do pity T-Ray. Did he get the short end of the stick? What a ludicrous suggestion. If he'd treated Lily halfway decently, I doubt she would ever have run away. She's pretty resilient, and she can deal with a lot. But why would you defend a physical and emotional abuser against his victim? So insane.



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What he did to Lilly was definitely terrible. At that age, being resented and unloved is something that will stay and affect Lilly all throughout the rest of her life (compounded by the fact that she did accidentally kill her mother as well). And yes, I also think T.Ray realizes what he has done to his daughter. But by then it was too late, Lilly already hated him for it. You can tell it in the way he greeted her happy birthday.

It's ironic that Lilly preaches to Zach about not perpetuating the cycle of hate when she does it too at the end.

BecasuseI too kept expecting one thing to happen: Lilly forgiving him in the end. There were definitely a lot of chances for that to happen, instead Lilly also just abandons him without so much as a goodbye (despite her knowing that his last shot of 'good riddance' was a rather weak blustering), just like her mother did. And jeez, anyone can see T.Ray needed consoling.

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I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement^^^
At the end I was waiting for Lily or T. Ray to say I love you to each other but it didn't happen. It was basically implied that she never saw him again either.

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I felt quite sympathetic towards T.Ray. I also found myself waiting for it to go back to him, I think his character needed more history and time in the film. He was a man who had been through a lot and although he wasn't the best father, in the context of the time it was set, I would say there were worse.

It was obvious at the end he was hurting when she wouldn't go back home, but he showed he loved and knew what was good for her her by letting her stay. I think the "good riddance" was more an idea that if he showed he wanted rid of her she wouldn't feel regret or the need to go back at some later point. Maybe I got too far into it though.



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I don't think that Lilly was perpetuating the cycle of hate. Forgiveness does not have to mean that she will move back in with T-Ray. I think the fact that she understands why T-Ray acted the way he did and that they are both at peace with each other, is forgiveness.

Understanding leads to forgiveness.

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One area of T Ray that was not explored was the mention that he was a decorated world war two veteran.
I was the same age as the Dakota Fanning character in 1964 and was being raised by my father,a veteran who had seen major action against the Japanese in the war. Sometimes my father seemed so distant and cold I wondered if he had any love for us at all. It wasn't until much later in life that I started to understand him and how war changes people. In those days there was very little help for the veterans that came back and a lot suffered from mental and personality disorders. I can attest that their families suffered as well. The fact that T Ray was decorated tells me he wasn't one of the tin soldiers in the Sunday parade that never made it out of the country. He was one who saw the blood and guts and was probably haunted by it for the rest of his life, just like my dad.
I'm not excusing him, but maybe that explains why he was like he was and why his wife finally couldn't deal with him anymore.

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I truly did feel sorry for T-Ray. When he came to get Lily, and she refused to leave with him, I felt for him. When she asked why he lied, what he said made me feel even more sorry for him. I agree with you. He had abandonment issues, and a little resentment towards his daughter, both understandably so.

I wish Lily had shown him a little more respect. After all, she was the one that killed her mother, not T-ray.

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In the book, he told her that no, her mom was not coming back for her; he wished he could tell her otherwise but it just wouldn't be true.

At that time I felt he was lying to be more cruel, to get back at her for leaving.

At the end of the movie (just watched it), it seemed like he was lying to make her feel better.

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He really seemed cruel until he told his daughter that her mother returned fro her and not him. That's when there was a *beep* into this character's heart and why he treated his daughter the way he did. It was cruel to tell her that her mother hadn't wanted her, but he redeemed himself by revealing the truth and leting her stay with the sisters. So whilst I can't say I loved him, I did feel sorry for him and certainly did not hate him by the end.

Someone else has posted a challenge: if he had been played by someone other than Paul Bettany, someone less attractive, how might posters have responded. I think there's some truth in this.

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Really?I am a "johnny come lately" on this thread but that dude was the north end of a southbound donkey.Not only did he hold a small child responsible for something she could not POSSIBLY understand,he was abusive and neglectful.He did not have any love for that girl and even less consideration for her feelings.How do I get less than nothing?Don't know but this guy did!He kept her around as a reminder of her mother and to work as a slave in his peach stands...

Eh...He was not loved by me!

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None.

The child killed by accident! Wouldn't have happened if father hadn't been assaulting mother at that moment.

I can't have much sympathy for a guy who resorts to beating up his wife (likely not the first time) and using abusive lies with his child. He brought all that on himself and both of them.

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