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Anyone else think Sherry planted the letter?


After watching this movie several times, I am convinced that Sherry (Julie Delpy) planted the letter.

I mean, all Don did all day was sit around the house. He was a notorious ladie's man, with no direction in life. He seemed not ready to settle down, while Sherry probably wanted to.

My theory is that Sherry planted the letter with Winston's help (and possibly with the help of all the ex girlfriends) in hopes that possibly Don would settle down.

I think it's weird that Don asked the women whether they had kids, and not one of them inquired about why he wanted to know. So, I think that the whole child thing was a sham - there was no kid, Sherry made it up because she knew that Don would be interested in finding his kid.

Anyone else agree with me?

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I just watched the Movie for the first time and one Plot point jumped out at me. You get a letter, puportedly from one of your old girlfriends, saying you have a Son who is "almost 19". Your amateur Detective next door neighbor (another great performance by the terrific Jeffrey Wright) spends a lot of time and skill tracking and locating four ex-Girlfriends and completely organizing your tour to meet all four, one after the other.

Winston seems far too bright to miss the obvious fact that he should first ask Murray, "Which of your Girlfriends were you with 'almost 19 3/4 years ago'?" I truly doubt that Murray was with all four at that same time.

I'll have to watch the film at least once more before I can say Winston and Sherry plotted together, but Winston and his Wife's great love of their chilreh is clearly displayed and it is possible they were very sympathetic to Sherry's wish to have a similar Family. I'll have to see that part again before I can totally agree but I think you have a good point.

One also cannot deny the fact that Murray becomes closer to and more appreciative of the Teenagers he meets so often throughout the film, ending with his obvious enjoyment of the Flower Shop Girl and the backpacking Boy.

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I think this is just one of those questions or one of the mysteries that dont have an answer or an explanation and neither will the story writer know the answer or the motive behind it

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Sherry planted the letter...no one else involved
thats it,

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First of all, I will say that I doubt the writer even knows the answer, as it probably is not supposed to have one. A true mystery.

But I don't think it's Sherry who wrote it, although it is (of course) possible.
Argument against her writing it:
Wrong envelope size, wrong paper size. If she had a stack of envelopes and pink paper at home, it would be the same size. It's possible that the envelope is bought individually, but how many different sizes of pink paper do you keep at home? So the wrong paper size leads me to believe it's not her who wrote it.

Also, just because it's pink paper with red ink, doesn't mean it's her who wrote it. She saw it in the foyer upon leaving Murray and said it was probably from one of his lovers. A pink letter with red ink stands out and it is far more likely to remember this than envelope size.

Winston says the handwriting "might match", but since he also notes he have to compare it with the other letter, I'd say that is not conclusive.

Argument for her writing it:
She could've specifically picked up the mail to point towards her own pink letter, to make sure Murray was aware of it, and push him on a quest with the goal that he'll later be more inclined towards settling down.



I'm just not convinced by it.
There's too many 'coincidences' in the movie for it to be Sherry who wrote it.

-The kid on a road trip in the end. It was a small area, it doesn't seem like a place people just road trip through. And it wasn't a REAL random road trip. He got there through the airport (so he didn't just hitchhike from somewhere) and then he makes it to Murrays small neighborhood, not exactly being a place people randomly road trip through. And he has a pink bow on his backpack that his mother put there for "good luck". Again, much coincidence the kid showing up at that time and with a visible pink bow on his backpack. And his father is a touchy subject.

-At the dinner with Dora and Ron, Murray asks whether they have children. Ron says he always wanted children with Dora, specifically making a deal of it being "of their own", and Dora replies she doesn't think she would have been a good mother with enough patience to care for Ron's children. Not just children, but RON'S children. This could be interpreted as they have no children at all, but to me it sounds like there is a kid of Dora's from before she met Ron. Also, Dora's business card was pink, there was a lot of pink in the house, it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume there would be pink paper in the home and red ink to match the decor, especially since they deal in designer homes, so they'd have stationary to match for the aesthetic looks.

-Penny had a pink typewriter outside in the grass. She was very upset about Murray asking if she had any kids, meaning it's a touchy subject; dead or run away. She could have been upset about the kid wanting to find Murray, but felt she had to write to him, after which she was so upset she threw the typewriter outside. A bit of a stretch, I will admit as well though, since the kid's pink bow on the backpack for "good luck" seems to indicate he left his mom on good terms.

-I was first inclined to write off Michelle (dead woman), because she is dead. But the pink bow made me think just now... It's possible she was on her deathbed, and confronted with losing his mom, the kid wanted to find his father. Michelle then gave him the pink bow for luck, and then wrote to Murray. She then dies and the kid leaves to find Murray. The only thing not fitting this, is that in the time between the letter and her death (and burial) I would assume there would still be flowers by her tombstone after the burial. Or it would appear newly dug, which it wasn't. Also, it appears weird that the kid arrives at the airport around the same time as Murray, even though he has spent like 5 days traveling. But that can be said about all the women.

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I think there are a lot more arguments than that for Sherry being the author of the letter.

1) The letter just so happened to have arrived just as she was leaving him, big coincidence if those events aren't connected.
2) Sherry had no good reason to suspect the letter of coming from some "other girlfriend" except that it was pink, there wasn't even a sender on it. And if she's going to accuse him over the flimsiest thing like this it's a wonder how they still stayed together. It sounds like she already knew that the letter was supposed to be from a girlfriend, or ex-girlfriend anyway.
3) If she really just wanted to leave him she shouldn't have cared about the letter to begin with.
4) She is clearly invested in having children right as Don allegedly learns he has a child. She has a clear motive for faking the letter, to test Don to see if he actually has interest in being a father, maybe because she knows she doesn't have a lot of time left.
5) And she coincidentally wants to get back together with him as soon as he returns. Maybe because she learned about the trip and realized that he was in fact interested in his alleged child.
6) On the other hand, I can't think of a reasonable motivation for an actual ex to have sent that letter. Why decide at this point to inform the father that he has a son but not say anything about who the son is or who she is for that matter, nor give any possibility for meeting him? That just seems cruel, yet the tone of the letter doesn't make it sound like it's just tormenting him.
7) To me it seems obvious that none of the ex-girlfriends he met were the mother. The note seemed to describe that the son was raised by the mother, something I don't think fit into any of the lives we saw or heard described. So then the question is, why wouldn't he have found the mother after narrowing it down to all possibilities?
8) The movie foreshadows this when Winston says (and Don agrees) that Sherry still had another card to play.

As for the coincidences that suggest otherwise...
1) If the backpacker at the end was there looking for his father why did he freak out like he did? Doesn't seem to add up at all, and it doesn't seem like that big of a coincidence for him to be there anyway.
2) Dora would have had no patience to care for Don's children either since it's pretty clear that Ron didn't raise this son with her. We can surmise that Ron's been with Dora a while or else the question of having children would have probably been moot in the first place (since the actress, and probably the character is now over 50)
3) Penny's behaviour doesn't seem remotely consistent with the letter writer's. The writer seemed to be okay with the breakup, while she hated his guts.
4) Winston says Michelle died 5 years ago. She couldn't have simultaneously been someone Don dated about 20 years ago (that was how he and Winston narrowed down the list - and I think we can fairly assume that Don wasn't with any of his girlfriends for several years back then), had a 19 year old son at the time of writing the letter, and been dead for 5 years. That's already figuring that somehow the letter was somehow mailed years after she died.

The wrong paper size hardly means anything. Maybe she happened to have multiple sets of stationary. There are all sorts of trivial explanations for how that could happen.

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I watched the film for the second time last night. One of the peculiarities I noticed was that Don's girl friend just happened to depart on the same day the pink letter arrived. She did not really want to leave. She left for effect as was demonstrated when she halted when Don called her name. If he had asked her to stay she would have, with conditions.

Personally, I believe the pink letter was written by Sherry, possibly as part of a conspiracy involving Winston, both of whom wanted to see Don grow up and settle down. Winston was familiar with mysteries and crime novels and would know how to set up a red herring situation. Sherry wanted results and Winston knew how to deliver them. When Don returned home and found the note from Sherry (on pink stationary) I do not believe Winston knew of that note or expected Sherry to send it. In fact, that note threatened to expose the conspiracy. Hence, Winston took the note home to "compare handwriting" when, in fact, I believed he intended to destroy it.

The rest of the conspiracy was successful in that it forced Don to face his past and realize that Sherry was better for him than anyone he ever knew. The only problem was, Sherry began to cave and almost exposed the conspircy by writing the note.

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they all still had an affinity for him except for Tilda Swinton who had him knocked out. And she apparently left him.

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The beginning of the movie implies that the letter traveled a fair distance, since it shows an airplane after the postal truck leaves the sorting facility with the letter.

Coupled with similar footage of Don traveling, there seems to be a connection with the letter coming from one of his destinations.

I suppose it could be intentionally misleading, but it is certainly implied.

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good catch, i kinda thought it was from Sherry with the arrival of the second note , but thats a huge gamble to take, and it's rather convoluted

laughs are cheap, I'm going for gasps

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I thought Sherry had done the same thing, but I watched the film with my brother and he thought that it was Penny who had written the letter. That seemed too obvious to me (the typewriter shot and all), but there is no solid answer as to why Penny was so offended by Don's inquisition as to if she had a son. It seemed like the question really hurt her somehow. The vagueness of the film, however, leaves us unable to answer many of these questions. That makes it fun, though :)

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I thought Penny's reaction was odd, too, but she could have been mad if she'd told her husband the kid was his, and Don's reaction to her letter was going to basically ruin her life (or at least leave some bruises). After all, she didn't tell him to show up, she just gave him a heads up.

I don't think we can know the real answer. He can't, either.

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I'm in the Penny camp and her reason for being mad as you stated. Also her (his?) son whispers something like "Why are you here, or get out of here" just before the guy comes out and throws the punch. Had Don approached them when the stepfather was out there would have been a much different result to his inquiry.


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Interesting theory, but where does the ending fit into this? I'm referring to the final scene where Don exchanges glances with the kid in the VW Beetle passing by. That kid was played by Bill Murray's real-life son.

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Well there's no way to know for sure, that's kind of the point, but I would disagree with that theory. It could have been Sherry, but I don't think Winston and the other girlfriends were in on it, both because it doesn't fit with their actions/characters and because, well, it's just not that kind of movie. Sherry planting the letter is kind of the most logical explanation at the end of it all, though, and probably the answer the most straightfordward-minded viewers are meant to be drawn to.

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There is no answer to the film's mystery. Jarmusch had all five of the main actresses write their own versions of the letter to Don and pieced them together to make the one seen in the film, to give the sense that any of them could've written it. He deliberately made the riddle impossible to solve. His point, he said, was that often we can't find answers to questions in life, but we *are* left with a specific feeling about it all.

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Yeah I understand it was meant to be a mystery and left off with an ambiguous ending.

I still just have suspicions about the possibility that it could be Sherry, or the one I honestly think is Don planted the letter himself. Knowing that Winston is all into mysteries it makes a ton of sense to do this. He plants the letter, Winston gets excited and immediately helps him track down his women of his past. What Winston doesn't know is that he gives a list of women but it isn't necessarily that they would dated all at that same exact year to have a kid that age. Don could have just given him a list of all his old relationships that he would check up on them to see if there was another chance with one of them, if any of them did have some of his offspring for some crazy reason.

Along the journey he originally enjoys it. Gets laid, then sees the realtor and I bet as awkward as it was it was really refreshing to see he dodged that bullet.

Then it gets worse and worse. I think by the end of it all he had delusions brought on by his desperate attempt to find something he is looking for, and completely leaves reality and begins to think some kid he runs into twice is his kid.

Then you are left with him running around and completely obsessed with this new found delusion and fixation about the wrong choices he made in life and a yearning to find a different life left behind from his past.

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After seeing this move 2 or 3 times at different times in my life (at least since 2005) and reading the script as part of practicing screenwriting, I think I'm finally convinced that the homeless boy was his son. Originally I thought Sherry planted it, but I don't see enough evidence of that.

I don't believe Winston had anything to do with it and I believe Don tested the theory by talking to Winston at the end before showing him the newest pink letter. I think Winston would have either slipped up or not been as surprised (assuming he's not a great actor). And I believe the boy in the VW was just there to represent that Don will see his son in every young person he meets from now on and wonder "what if?"

But I do think it was the homeless boy writing the letters. I think he had a rough life and wanted to punish his deadbeat dad by sending him on the wild goose chase. He was conveniently around while Don was travelling, at the airport, outside his house, etc. Once he met Don I think he had a hard time reconciling the hated image of his father and the older, beaten, yet sincere man in front of him. I think that is why he was uncomfortable and ultimately ran away after Don vocalized his theory. Admittedly, the kid's reaction and running away seems legit, so I could be wrong. As others have noted, there seems to be no absolute answer (and how I wish there was!) but after multiple viewings I prefer to believe that was his son sending him on that journey as punishment, not as redemption; and when his father did actually learn from it he wasn't the monster anymore. But he wasn't ready to forgive him.

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I don't think the writer of the letter was present in the movie at all and I don't think it matters who wrote the letter. It becomes too clear from the beginning that Don's trip is in search of something that doesn't belong to him. The fact is that Don has blown his life and he realizes it more and more clearly throughout the film. From now on he is going to see his son in every random teenage boy who crosses his path.

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I agree that Sherry sent the letter, but I can't think of a good reason WHY she'd do it.

I enjoyed the movie, but I agree that the ending was unsatisfying -- and deliberately.

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Isn't it fairly obvious that it was Sherry?

Look at the timing of the first letter - first clue. Sherry left so that Don would be free to travel.

Then there's the second letter which looks almost identical to the first, and it WAS from Sherry this time. The chances of two letters both being on pink paper and with red ink and being from different people are one in a million.

Yes, I think it was a clever ploy by Sherry to awaken Don's paternal instinct, and it worked.

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I watched for the third time last night and when I saw the pink outfit Sherry was wearing and paid attention to the dialog "maybe it's a love letter from one of your exes", I watched assuming it was her all along throughout the movie and I'd say it was probably her. (Maybe Winston helped as some speculate too?). There were a lot of "Pink herrings" with every ex GF and son/daughter. That's Jarmusch fucking around. I also had to remind myself, just as Jarmusch made a cynical "action" movie in Limits of Control, this might be his cynical version of a RomCom/Mystery.

It's also glaringly obvious how Murray looks at every Teen as if there's a chance he/she could be his long lost child. He pushes it too hard at the end with Sandwich boy who's definitely not his.

As for the Plane in the intro. It could be a foreshadowing of Murray flying. There's no blatant connection to the pink envelope, but as others also said, Sherry could have mailed from another city when traveling. Many USPS distribution centers are near airports anyway, so there's that.

Previously, I thought it was Tilda Swinton, because of the pink typewriter and her anger, which we can only speculate about, as well as her being last in the hunt. In hindsight, the pink typewriter, might just be a big fuck you to the audience (one of many Pink Herrings). It looked pretty beaten and like it had been outside awhile too. Maybe we aren't supposed to know for sure. Maybe it doesn't matter. Even Murray himself said he thought the whole thing was made up and was going to trash the letter. It's definitely not the other women who sent the letter though. It could only Be Sherry/Tilda or Winston.

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