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Ignorance of Paedo Scene (Cinematic Brainwashing)


This analysis is refering to the paedophile scene of this film running scared. My complaint with this scene is that it perpetuates the demonisation that paedophiles receive in media and culture. Not to say that i agree with what they do at all, or have any paeodphilic tendencies myself. But the degree to which people who even have the remotest accusations of paedophilia are painted as in-human, maniac, killer, psychos is unfair. when in fact the actions are usually the result of mental sicknesses which they may not be able to help.

The way this film condones the wholesale murder of the paedophiles, while portraying the killer as a "hero" is extremely warped justice to me. If you reduce the scene away, looking at NOT the specific situation or circumstances of it, but the main themes, it insinuates that paedophiles are such sub-human creatures, that they deserve no right to due-process and should be murdered in cold blood. This creates a feeling in the viewers mind that this sort of behaviour is not only acceptable, but would be praised by society. It breeds the sort of ignorance illustrated in Wales in 2000 when some uneducated people drove a paediatrician out of her home, because they thought her profession meant "paedophile". Here is the link to the news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm ...and from reading some of the posts on this board about what some people say they would do to those paedos in the movies is on the same level or worse than what they seem to have done.

People in this society who are paroled murderers are looked at more favourably than people who are paroled paedophiles. Illustrated in the fact that they have the whole sex offender registry in the US and UK, restricting your ability to live in certain parts of a town that might be near children. While murderers or theives or drug dealers have no resrictions on where they can live. It appears to me from this that most people would rather than their child murdered than sexually molested. My point of view has always been that society condems the crimes which they most fear in themselves. Again, i want to reiterate, I dont condone paedophilia at all, anymore than i condone murder or any violent crime. But, what i dont understand is, why is it when someone has sex with a minor, even if its consentual, it brings out a bloodlust, torture and desire for vigalante justice hidden deep within society, that they dont seem to see expressed as often for worse crimes like murder or other violent crimes.

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Why the hell would anyone defend a pedophile?? You must be a huge liberal (ala, you can't judge anyone). Well people who have sex with kids are sick! And people who have sex with kids than kill them deserve to be shot on site!! Bravo to the character who did it!!!

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It's funny how you bring up the word "liberal" when it is usually conservatives that get caught having sex with underage children...

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lol there touching children..
were talking about the movie and the way there portrayed they deserve to be shot.
consensual lol there not old enough to make that decision for themselves.

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You are all idiots. This has nothing to do with pedophilia. This is about exacting vigilante justice which unfortunately for all you gun-toting yahoos is illegal for a reason. Nowhere have I ever said that I don't think pedophilia is wrong, sick and twisted. The answer however is not to kill them. Same goes for any criminal. We live (at least I hope most of us do) in civilized societies where luckily the phrase "an eye for an eye" is no longer the accepted method of justice.

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To the OP:

I see the point that you are getting at, and in a rational, calm society, your thoughts of jail and not execution might work fine. But paedophilia is not a calm issue, it is very emotional because paedophiles damage not only the body, but emotional growth as well.
But,without going into too much personal detail...

Be a victim of one of these mutations, and THEN make the same statements about vigilantism and civilised behaviour.

We can never get back what they have taken from us and many of us are adult children as a result, since they preyed on us at such an important time in our development. By shooting those two freaks, Teresa saved countless future victims from having their childhood snatched from them, and in my book, victims' rights are more important than those of their offenders. Dont tell me about jailtime either, as that doesnt mean that they wont be out again someday to do it again, made hungrier by the lack of victims during their sentence.

Deal with your civilised society issues and give them all jail sentences...... then give me a pair of pliers,a blowtorch,leave me with my childhood predator, and close the door behind you.

"Innocent?Is that supposed to be funny?"

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male paedos certainly should be castrated at the very least. If thats not possible then all paedos should be given the death sentence, there is no worse crime in our world than paedofilia. All you sick politically correct fu**s out there who say that the death penalty shouldnt be brought back are as sick as the sick fu**s who are the paedofiles. I'm sick to death frankly of this western world we live in were now it seems we have to have sympathy with killers,rapists and paedos, fu** them i say, kill the lot of them and that goes for the rest of you politically correct fu**ers who defend them, wait til you've flown the nest and you no longer live with your mummies, then you'll wake up and realise what the real world is all about!!!

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i think the OP jus meant that not all pedophiles are murdering, sociopathic, twisted individuals. as they are portayed in the film.
I don't think he means to say that what happens to the pedos in the film is unjust.

don't get me wrong, pedophiles are among the lowest scum of the earth, they are absolute filth, but not all are murdering rapists.

maybe u should read what he wrote before you attack him.

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I myself think that some people are overreacting in their posts here.
I agree with what the poster right above me said, that this movie exaggerates the picture of pedophiles. That couple in the movie were more than just pedophiles.
Pedophilia is nothing more than a paraphilia, a sexual deviance.
Of course, it's immoral, and wrong. But the same thing can be said about a lot of things, bigger things. Like brainwashing young men and sending them to Vietnam, or more recently, Iraq to kill women and children, without much of a reason.

Pedophilia is only a small problem in a world full of big ones, so tone it down a little, will ya?

And to those thinking that pedophiles should all be shot because they are aware of their condition,
and they are also aware that what they're doing is illegal.

Let's say your son or daughter, maybe even one of your parents or siblings, were pedophiles. Would you still feel the same?

There are worse people out there, trust me.

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I agree with the OP in a lot of things he said.
Pedophelia is a mental illness and you can't help having it. There's probably a lot more pedophiles out there, than we think. People who choose not to do anything about it, because they have morals. A pedophile is person sexually attracted to children. You don't have to go as far ast to molest, rape or kill children to be a pedophile.

However, I disagree with the OP when it comes to this film. I thought it was a good and entertaining film, except the cheesy ending.
But the scene with the pedophiles I didn't think was made to portray all pedophiles as sick disgusting f**cks always killing etc. These two people were sick and evil, and when the woman came across them and stood before them, she had to make a decision. She had a gun in her hand, and had just saved the poor boy from death, she found knives and videotapes of numerous other killings. She made a decision to kill them. If this was right or wrong is for the viewer to decide. As a bystander I would say execution was not the right way to go, but if I would imagine myself being in the characters shoes with a gun in my hand I'm pretty sure I'd kill them. The mere thought of these people maybe escaping in some way would immediately push me over the edge. Afterwards she says she saw true evil for the first time, and she probably did. But that's not saying all pedophiles are sick and kills their victims or even has victims. Some pedophiles are probably just confused and don't really know what they're doing. That's what I thought was so interesting with the scene, the moral dilemma of what to do in a situation like that. And the fact that I think she did the wrong thing but also know I would have done the same thing myself. And I am aware of the fact that I'm contradicting myself a lot here, but that's what I think is so interesting with this question.

Infernal Vortex:
"They obviously can't help themselves and it's been demonstrated that they can't be rehabilitated. THIS is why no one is going to cry over a murdered pedophile. Even if they're just tortured souls who can't help it, they just can't be allowed to exist within the general population given the extensive, tragic consequences of their actions."
"People like that just can't exist within society, just because they have good intentions doesn't mean they should be allowed to perpetrate their damage. Do you understand that at all?"

Your post really made my stomach twist, you sound like a frikkin nazi. I mean, I really got sick from reading your post. "They can't be allowed to exist within society", you sound like you need help.
"it's been demonstrated that they can't be rehabilitated", I'm sure there is research been made proving pedophiles can't be rehabilitated, but I'm a 100% sure there are pedophiles who have been rehabilitated, or learned to live with their problems. If you rape a child or kill a child of course you should go to prison. But I don't believe in death penalty.

And paulnkath2 said
"male paedos certainly should be castrated at the very least. If thats not possible then all paedos should be given the death sentence, there is no worse crime in our world than paedofilia. All you sick politically correct fu**s out there who say that the death penalty shouldnt be brought back are as sick as the sick fu**s who are the paedofiles. I'm sick to death frankly of this western world we live in were now it seems we have to have sympathy with killers,rapists and paedos, fu** them i say, kill the lot of them and that goes for the rest of you politically correct fu**ers who defend them, wait til you've flown the nest and you no longer live with your mummies, then you'll wake up and realise what the real world is all about!!!"

You're saying killers and rapists and everybody should be killed. That's your opinion and though I do not agree, I understand your logic and respect your opinion. You're also saying everyone who doesn't agree with death penalty should also be killed. Which makes me believe you are very disturbed yourself. And this is why I think death penalty is wrong, because of people like you. You're saying we should kill everyone who has mental issues, everyone who makes mistakes, everyone who are accidentally responsible for someone else's death, and everyone who doesn't think like you. I would really suggest you visit a mental clinic, because that would be the best thing for you and the rest of the world. I would not be surprised if you would kill someone some day. Someone who killed someone else, or who you belive killed someone else, or who raped someone else. One day you might find yourself sitting in the electric chair yourself, now wouldn't that be ironic?

What if you drink a lot one night and a guy says your mother is a wh*re, you start fighting and it gets more and more brutal until he stops breathing? Do you deserve to die?

What if you're driving in the city, and by the blink of an eye, you miss a red light and two children are crushed to death under your tires. Do you deserve to die?

What if you go on a date with the girl you love and you're really horny and when you try to have sex with her and she refuses you lose your temper and rapes her. Do you deserve to die?

What if you would kill one of these people, the driver who missed a red light, or the drunk guy who got in a bar fight, or the guy with a way too bad temper. What if you would kill one of these people because you think it was the right thing to do? Do you deserve to die?
And if I would say you don't deserve to die? Do I deserve to die? Because I don't think like you?

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morty man,

I appreciate your point, but you said:

"What if you would kill one of these people, the driver who missed a red light, or the drunk guy who got in a bar fight, or the guy with a way too bad temper."

All of these situations are spur of the moment escalations that can happen to anybody not taking enough care. These are hardly the same as a paedophile who decides to rape children. What? Can they say that they tripped and fell on a naked child? Couldnt be helped? The cases you state are on the spot, which is the polar opposite to a predator who fantasizes, plans and executes the rape of a child. I am sure you realise this, but I just needed to say that the cases are nowhere near similar.

"Innocent?Is that supposed to be funny?"

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Yes I realize this but at that part of my post I wasn't argumenting about pedophiles, but answering someone else's post who said we should execute everyone who had killed or raped or anything. I was argumenting against death penalty in general and not pedophelia. But I might have been a bit unclear.

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No problem, I didnt realise that. I understand now. Nice to have a civillized chat on here occasionally rather than the usual trolling. :)

"Innocent?Is that supposed to be funny?"

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Yeah it is. But the opposition seems to be gone. Where did all the execution-lovers go?

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big apologies to all on this thread,first time ive returned to it since i wrote something 3 yrs ago. Sorry folks,i aint changing my opinions, you can talk about any crap you want about spur of the moment incidents and knocking people over but look at my message properly. Peados are sick,dont give me the *beep* they are born with it! ALL peados should be executed and anyone that defends them should go with them!! i cant believe people on here are defending them and saying IM the disturbed one for thinking that !! *beep* YOU PEADOS, DEATH TO YOU ALL YOU SICK BASTARDS!

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Lettus Be Rizel the OP touches kids.

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Im just curious, while you try to make all these points with the well if you did this would you deserve to die stuff there was one obvious one that stood out and im suprised nobody responding to you questioned it. You talk about all these careless mistakes that could kill people which, everyone else is talking about deliberaatly molesting children or killing people, and than you just blurt out..... "What if you go on a date with the girl you love and your really horny and when you try to have sex with her she refuses you lose your temper and raper her. Do you deserve to die?" I have to ask, Where the hell did that come from? If that didn't sound like trying to justify self guilt i dont know what would. Your comparing incidents that are accidental and unfortunate due to carelessness to make it sound like he/she contridicted him/herself using the do unto others stuff, to being horny and raping your girlfriend if she isn't interested? If you think thats something that could just spontaniously happen in everyday life than your the one that needs help bro. I cant even fathom what would make you say that lmao, if you actually did that..... to answer your question, depending on the situation i wouldnt say you deserve to die you deserve to have the ever loving *beep* kicked out of you and put away for awhile.

To answer your questions.....

1. If i was at a bar and someone called my mother a whore randomly and started a fight with me, that would be considered self defense if i wasn't antagonizing it. I could be wrong but someone being drunk and approaching people in a threatening manner would put them at fault.

2. Miss a red light and hit 2 kids? you dont just miss a red light , usually there red as u come up to them or youve already decided to drive through a yellow and it turns red in which case i wouldnt try to beat a red light if theres people in the road, that would be stupid. i could understand plowing throgh one and hitting a car, but you dont just become flabbergasted and stroll through a red light and kill two kids, grant it its happened, the person usually under the influence as well though......if you ever find yourself non chalantly driving through red lights with out noticing, stop driving immediatly

and for number 3

Ill make a promise to you, when i go to bed tonight or any night for that matter, and i try to have sex with my girlfriend that i love, if she says no and i happen to get mad and rape her......ill kill my self to stand by my belief.........lol im sorry that was just a weird example and im dumbfounded as to why you would try to make that sound like something that just happens

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rydeordye

I'm not saying this happens every day, I never suggested this.
And I didn't say girlfriend for that matter either.
I'm just saying there are cases where this happens, and it's not every day but it's not unusual either.

You seem to be looking at every little detail of what I wrote, analyzing that exact situation. I was just naming examples.
Traffic accidents, fights with deadly outcome, spontaneous rapes, they happen.
The fact that he missed a red light, or that the guy said the word "wh*re" or if it was his girlfriend or not, has no meaning.

I was just saying it it's very difficult to decide where to draw the line for who should be punished by death or not.

People make mistakes.
A driver could look the wrong way, and kill people.
A fight could lead to death, the one who started the fight could kill the other guy, and if he started it he can't say it was self defence.
Unstable horny people under the influence could go nuts for a minute.
My question was if they all deserve to die? everyone who's responsible for taking another persons life, or raping or whatever, accidental or not?

And if you think it was weird of me to blurt out the example with the horny rapist, either you mean because you think rape, doesn't fit the debate about death penalty (in which case I was commenting another poster who said he thought rapists should be killed)

or you meant that I was using vulgar words in the middle of a normal sentence, and you were suprised (in which case you should stop being such a wooz)

or you meant you thought I was weird for imagining such a scenario (in which case I just have a weird sense of humour)

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I have to admit I wouldn't have taken the 100,000 but I would have thought about it for a secound.

Heck I'd have gotten the information about the safe THEN shoot them.

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No, I wasn;t referring to you being vulgar, or thinking of it...

In comparison to your other examples that one just stood out to me, your talking about accidents, and everyday scenarios that could happen to any innocent person... than asking should they die because they killed somebody but arent necessarily bad people, but thats what posters are suggesting should happen to people that take a life. Than your talking about being horny and raping your girlfriend. Maybe im just stupid but i dont see where they are alike in any way but i don't get it. I understand what your saying but the way you said it was kind of odd like no biggie, like "oh i tried to stick it in my girl last night, she didnt feel like it, so i held her down and raped her" is how it sounded to me... by saying it sounds like a personal problem was a joke because i just thought that was stupid and sounded strange.

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jesus, there is so fücking much stupid in this thread that my brain hurts. bobbing-headz is about the only one who got it right.

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I dont think the couple were actually "pedophiles". From my understanding pedophiles don't usually murder their victims. They are probably more accurately described as sadists. Just like someone who rapes an adult and later murders them.

They are criminally insane, but still capable of realizing the difference between right and wrong which therefore justifies more extreme punishment ie death.

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Quite many pedophiles actually do kill their victims... not all of them. But anyway: When she called the police and said that she "heard gunshots", my thought was that she would have shot them to legs or something. I think i would have done that. I could have said to police that i did it for self-defence, and they would probably believed that in those circumstances. At the same time i would have inflicted them lot of pain, and they would have been locked up for the rest of their days, which has to be a better punishment than instant death. They would have had some time to think what they had done.

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The pedophile couple probably got off more on filming kids then having sex with them. As said by another poster, they're probably in it for the business.
Regarding the killing of them, I don't think Teresa killed them for one reason
1)Oleg was suffocating to death
2)She found videos and body bags

Had she JUST found Oleg tied up (but not suffocating), she might've walked out with Oleg. If she saw the videos and a tied-but-breathing Oleg, a call to the police might've sufficed. Given everything she saw, I don't blame her for invoking justice.

Regarding prison and afterwards: rapists and killers aren't any better than pedophiles. If I have the knowledge of knowing where child molesters are, I want to know where the thieves, druggies, killers, rapists, arms traffickers, etc are. Who's house do I need to wear a kevlar and pack a beretta to? Gotta know why the gangs are more active or mobsters running around. Who might be stealing sh*t outta my house?

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"If you reduce the scene away, looking at NOT the specific situation or circumstances of it"

No why should I ignore this scene ? Thats the exact point . under THESE conditions what would you do ? I agree with you on the demonisation part to a point but I'm not letting down my guard to reduce your guilt of people beeing angry with pedophiles .
It's a sick and disgusting behaviour no matter how much you try to defend them. Dont forget the child they molest and what they have to endure for the rest of their life because of it. For some it's a lifelong path of pain and dark days . There really are no excuses except for perhaps borderline cases where the kid might be old enough to have some actual emotions involved in the "relationship".
If I was a parent and got my kid out of a situation like that I might react in the same way. And to be honest I think most would if they had a gun but thats just my opinion and it's is not based on statistics.
The most important thing about this particular scene and the circumstances sorrounding the kidnapping is that it leads to a debate like this one.

Yours

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Sorry OP but these fraking bastards don't deserve any pity at all. Its only a shame that they could only die once. Also it doesn't matter if the sex was consensual or not, its against the law. Period. The "mental illness" argument is one that should not even exist. Also period.

You fail.

"When you understand why you dismiss all other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours"

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this may all be true, I have to disagree because they had wrapped olegs head inplastic trying to kill him, and him having to be revived. they needed to be taken care of in my opinion. who has a weird room, and a drain in the middle of the bathroom to drain peoples blood? and what was that shadow in the bathroom?

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I'm with you on those sickos getting killed. I woulda done the same. Except I woulda tortured them a bit first to be honest. The drainhole in the middle of the bathroom? Good observation, I didn't notice that. But i'm pretty sure they were killed in the playroom, hence the plastic sheet covering the playrooms floor, to make cleanup easier. And also that they surgical tools were there, and not in the bathroom.

The shadows in the bathroom were actually the sickos passing by in the hallway, as well as looking in to see what he was doing. The devilish hands/fingers and ears, etc. was purely symbolic imagery to illustrate the evil nature of those sickos. One could also argue that the boy was hallucinating, seeing the shadows as devilish creatures, but the fact that he had his back turned to the window squashes that theory in my eyes. The shadows as symbolic imagery makes perfect sense to me. I love bits like that in movies, that get you thinking and analyzing "what was that?"

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