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The reason time travel cannot happen...


...is because time, once it has passed, no longer exists. And the future, does not exist. There is only the present. Imagine a pencil tracing a line. And imagine that this pencil, once it traces the line, the mark behind where it currently is at no longer exists...so you would have nowhere to go back to. And you can't go forward on the line, because there is no spot to go forward to, because the pencil has not gotten that far yet. Time is that line. It exists now. You're reading this now. You can come back and read it again in the future, but you can't go back to the point where you first read it, because that point does not exist. There is only the present.

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time, once it has passed, no longer exists

You have proof of this?

Current theories of physics, more specifically the general theory of relativity and quantum mechanics, don't exclude the possibility of backwards time travel.

Nobody has proven it to be impossible. It may may be impossible from a logical standpoint because of the possible paradoxes but that hasn't been proven either.

If you have proof that traveling back in time is impossible, you should submit a paper to a physics journal.

And the future, does not exist.

Time travel to the future is a fact. Anyone staying at the International Space Station travels to the future at a rate of 0.014s/y.

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SMH...lol, ok sure.

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That's right. Look it up.

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Backwards time travel is impossible. Forward time travel is far more likely and possible.


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Time travel might be possible because of quantum effects. You could possibly teleport information into the past and future using quantum entanglement... For instance, create a machine that entangles atoms with a machine you keep with you. Place the first machine in a public place where people can interact with it and encode messages by manipulating the spin of the entangled atoms in the first machine. In the second machine you keep with you will you start to see messages from the future or the past?

Think about it!

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As I understand it, entanglement has to do with communication between two points in space. If anyone uses "space-time" for "space" there, they are referring a space such a distance away as it takes time to reach it. "Time" is generic in such a statement. Entanglement and many-worlds may have value, but those other worlds would be equidistant in time. The OP is right, time isn't a medium you can travel through, even me as I type this I am not traveling through time, but experiencing it.

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Is quantum entanglement outside of time?

If you were immortal would time matter to you?

If you were omniscient would time matter to you?

I would argue that an immortal omniscient being wouldn't experience time.

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I wasn't trolling - are you? I just wanted to point out a common misconception about entanglement, not start a sh t-flinging woo-woo contest.

All I meant by "experience" is that time doesn't really have axes.

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Perhaps you may shoot yourself in the face and discover the true meaning of time.

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Very rarely do we see someone on the internet with sense like the OP..


Not only that but the present is the future with alien technology.. and UFoes..


With alien technology you can freeze in a time capsule while superman does his business..

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To be completely honest, I'm not sure if that was a compliment or meant as an insult. If it was a compliment, then thanks. If it was an insult, then all I can say is that everyone has opinions on the matter of time travel. And there are some facts about it as well. But from what I know, nobody has effectively proven that time travel is possible. AT least not to my knowledge. Now I'm no expert on the subject. I don't study it, follow up on scientific research, or any of that. I'm just stating my own opinion of how I think time passes by. I also believe that if time travel were possible, then we all would know and would have known at any given point in history. But like I said, those are just my ideas take it or leave it. And it is a concept that I haven't ever seen mentioned...that time does not occur in a stream but as one point that gets refreshed over and over...with nothing existing to go back to and with the future not existing to travel forward to.

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The year is sideways 8 and you can always travel into the future..

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It just means God was in the infinite past and the 4 dice lines is only useful for DHL.. in case you're out..

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There is only the present.


Max Planck proved two things: Gravity is more mysterious than anyone ever imagined -and- The Present is fuzzy, and already The Past from certain micro reference-points.

How familiar are you with the concept of a timeless Zeroth Dimension?





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Sort of yes, but not completely.

Einstein and his special theory of relativity gave birth to the concept of “Special Relativistic Time Dilation” or sometimes called “Relative Velocity Time Dilation". Briefly said, it shows how relative movement affect time. When one move, the time will tick at a slower rate than if one would stand relatively still. This means effectively, that by simply taking a stroll in the park your time will tick a tiny bit slower than if you decide to just sit and enjoy a peach on the porch. The faster one travels the slower one’s time will tick relativistically. This has been proven many times over in e.g. jet planes or the international space station, where atomic clocks on board have ticked at a slower rate than its synchronized sisters on earth. And so, by travelling very fast one would effectively travel to the future.

If one would travel at the speed of light (which is impossible for many other reasons) the time rate will at this speed completely stop and so the experience of the traveler is that he can travel to any future instantly; billions of years may pass for us, but for him it will be but an instant. In a sense he is frozen in time…. Not his time, but our time. This has been proven beyond any doubt.

In other words; the time Traveler will see you drawing the pencil line very fast, where you will see him standing still or moving very slowly inside his super fast traveling spaceship... the effect; he travels to your future. From his point of view; perhaps one minute passed. From your point of view; 10 minutes passed. Who is right? Both are. Time is relative.

So your rational is actually correct; the future needs to unfold in its usual way and speed before it can be visited by travelers from its past. And I think this is actually your argument.

A Side note 1:Einstein’s equations can take us even further... the mathematically consequence of his special theory of relativity is that time will slow so much down that if one would break the speed limit of the universe and travel faster than the speed of light, time will slow so much down that it will become negative. In other words, the mathematical consequence of special time dilation permits time travel to the future and also to the past. Now it is important to understand that Einstein too says it is impossible to break the speed limit of light, but mathematically the consequences on time can be calculated.

Anyway, as it stands now. We can only travel to the future. Albeit, very slowly…. yet.

A Side note 2:Einstein also formulated his General Theory of Relativity in 1916 which introduces yet another time dilation phenomena often called “Gravitational Time Dilation": It says time will slow as a function on how close one is to a force of gravity, and how big this force is (this is the predominant time travel principle used in e.g. the movie INTERSTELLAR (2014)). Effectively it means that we on Earth will have slightly slower clocks than those e.g. floating in empty space. Sometimes referred to as “acceleration time dilation” because Einstein famously equated acceleration to gravitation. This time dilation phenomena has also been proven to be correct.

To travel to the past is another question. Hawking used to agree with you and perhaps he still does. But provided super-string theory will be proved right some day, then this offers a solution… or sort of a solution. We would be able to travel back to a past identical to the one you have already experienced. However, factually it will be to a separate and parallel timeline, and so one could argue that it is not the actual past, it is the perfect recreation of the past. Atlas, this remains to be scientifically proven.

TL:DR - you are correct in the way that the future needs to unfold before it can be visited. Relatively time can be "frozen" and so be unfrozen once you have drawn the pencil line. Regarding the past, here we have only unproven ideas.

Until then, lets continue to travel forward and observe the past via telescopes, old reruns and undeleted browser history.


- forgive my rant.



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We don't currently have proof to prove or disprove time travel. We don't have technology to achieve travel or any evidence that it is possible, but we don't have evidence to rule it out.

I think the only thing we can be sure of is that time travel won't be as glamorous or easy as sticking a flux capacitor on a delorean.

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