Are we supposed to feel bad for Alan?

i have to agree with that. i got that we were suppose to think that Alan was going to be the killer, even though it got thrown around that other people may have been the killer as well. but the acting all around was freaking awful! the only one who did a good job in the entire film is SPOILER ALERT


"Fellisa Rose" at the end when we see that kill.

i hated the character of Alan. other than being a terrible actor. the character was really unlikable. & hard to feel sorry for. with "Angela' that was a character who you felt sorry even though we didn't see the ending coming the 1st time around. though i borrowed the dvd set from a friend of mine & looked at the booklet & read it. i didn't really think about or give any thought of what it meant. which i think was smart on my part cause than i was able to have that shock of an ending.

with the character Angela you felt sorry for her. & she was shy. & you had Ricky Standing up for her. & other people to. & it was believable. with Alan you have some fat kid who you are suppose to feel sorry for. at first you do than he does stuff that nobody should do. like all the stuff you said. & by the time the film is at it's end you are thrilled when he gets his ass kicked. though i can say that ending with that SPOILER ALERT dude being skinned alive did surprise me.

so in short i was honestly hoping he was going to get killed thorought the ENTIRE FILM! just to shut his ass up! that would have been a great twist as well.

everyone who watched or will watch this film would have easily cheered & bought it just for that scene alone. i've got a question are they ever going to do another one? last i heard they were but the script i think was still being worked on.

oh i did forget that "ISSAC Hayes" when he was in it kicked ass, to bad we never will know what happend to him?

I read earlier in the thread that all Alan did was "minor" bullying compared to the older bullies. My question is, how in the hell is trying to burn kids with a homemade flame-thrower minor? Sure he may have not meant to do that, but he was pointing it at those kids. The Cinema Snob was right, Alan did have severe homicidal tendencies when pushed, he even threw a freaking knife at the cook's head! Something was not right with that kid to begin with, plus the bulling put him over the top.

I agree that the other characters were even more screwed up. They bullied someone who they should not have (even though he acted like he deserved it,) and they should have learned to leave him alone. The Camp runners should have booted Alan's ass out once he started screwing up, it's their fault as well. The only real innocents in this are the little kids, that girl camp counselor, Issac Hayes, and Ricky. The camp was horribly run and kept up, unlike the original which had some minor bullying but managed to run until the killings.

I think the overall attempt was to make Alan into a unique lead. He might not have meant to be rootable, which is a rarity for the genre, but it became official once they cast the actor who was horrible. I liked the idea but it was not written or cast well.

i THINK i know what they were going for with the Alan character, but i don't think they succeeded. i think he was initially meant to look like the worst kind of bully and maybe even have the audience suspect that he will be killed off quickly (remember we start the movie from the smaller kids' perspective, not Alan's). then slowly you're meant to realize that his lashing out is a result of his own torment, which definitely does go well beyond anything he does. but that wasn't executed properly and Alan ends up coming off as at least ALMOST as bad as most of his "bullies" and equal or worse than some of them (the black girl, for instance, did absolutely nothing that Alan wouldn't have done himself).

but that's only one problem in a long list of problem's in the movie. for one thing, the ending "twist" was immediately obvious. even if the make up wasn't laughable, if they wanted to have Angela have a surprise return at the end then they needed to have some other appearance by her earlier in the movie (perhaps Ricky flashing back to visiting her in the hospital). the reason for this is that they were never going to keep the fact that Felissa Rose is in the movie a secret. therefore, if you know Angela is in it, and you start to get towards the end of the movie without having seen her, you logically conclude that she's the killer and will be revealed at the end. and that's, again, if you didn't already figure that out by the obviously female sheriff jerry (which i'm sure the vast majority did)

her being the killer also just doesn't make sense logically. how did she not only witness all of these instances of bullying but also be going around killing people (in elaborate, time-consuming ways, mind you) while not being seen at the camp at all except for when she meant to be seen (and back in full make-up and costume every time, of course). i know it's a horror movie and it doesn't have to make perfect sense, but this was just too much. she would have had to have been in like 5 places at once throughout the entire thing

plus it was just too cheesy. even if it was going for that "campy" vibe (pardon the pun), it went way overboard quite often. the dialogue was terrible and didn't ring true in the least (especially for the kids). then you have the silly in-jokes like Alan calling Vincent Pastore a "big pu ssy" that just take you out of the film. and the "drugs are dangerous" or whatever sticker over the pot-head's mouth; just awful and cringe-worthy.

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