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INDIANS FILMS NEED TO GET ORIGINAL

posted 18 years ago by munna_nuta
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to be really respected and appreciated indian films need to start by first having an original script and working with a team of artistes that are dedicated to their jobs and are willing to do research to make the film more realistic and authentic and they should have workshops were they can discuss the script and the characters and see if they can improve anything and then shoot the film in one schedule to keep in character they just need to get the basics right and grow from there then maybe a lot of Indian films will get nominations in internationl film festivals and they will be able to collaborate with foreign technicians and production houses. come on now get a grip. passion dedication talent commitment fighting spirit focus and patience and loyalty to the art of film making not dance shows that wots needed in the Indian film industry.

[–] linkinem41 18 years ago

I THINK "RANG DE BASNTI" IS A GREAT ORIGINAL
AND "AANKEIN"
LASTLY OFCORSSE"LAGGAN"

I DONT DRINK WATER CUZ FISHES *UCK IN IT

[–] reviewer77 18 years ago

Rang De Basanti's plot was taken from Jesus De Montreal:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0097635/

[–] kancharlaraj 18 years ago

HUH........

[–] laughingprabuddha 18 years ago

u seem to be an authority on lift-offs so please tell me which recent films are copies of foreign movies? I watched a hollywood flick on tv and guess what Ek Ajnabee was shot by shot copy...pls tell me which movie as i don't remember its name

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[–] theresapsyco 18 years ago

yeah its man on fire stars denzel washington and it was pretty good

[–] Serpico1988 18 years ago

MAN ON FIRE... EK AJNABEE WAS OKAY, 5/10 ONLY BECAUSE OF ARJUN RAMPAL, BUT THE REST WAS CRAP... MAN ON FIRE IS A CLASSIC

[–] getkunal 18 years ago

Man on fire

[–] Gumbi88 18 years ago

I think Black is pretty original. I really loved it. All that was said in the first comment rather applies to the American film industry. Look at how many remakes there are on the market right now and how many are yet to come, and just look at where the originals of these movies came from!

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[–] tanzil1989 17 years ago

First of all, bicentennial man is too bad to be compared with black. I would understand you if you compared Black with The miracle worker. The story of black doesn't need to be original, it is based on the true story of Helen Keller and her teacher Anne Sullivan, even though it is loosely based on it. And I think that the true story is good enough, and even if they have made movies about Hellen before, I can't say that they were close to as good as this one.

AND, not to jurascic5000, Man on Fire is NOT a classic, it's nothing more than a good actionflick.

[–] avmoghe 17 years ago

I can think of plenty of films that do not take plots from non-Indian movies...

1. Company (based on the real life tale of two Bombay gangsters)
2. Anand (saddest movie I've ever seen)
3. Sarfrosh (Terrorism in India)
4. Ab Tak Chappan ("encounter specialists" in the Indian police force)

... I can keep going if anyone is interested. I'd also like to throw in shout-out's to Maqbool and Omkara (adapted from Shakespeare's works - and yes - properly credited). While they're based on plays, the adaptation to an Indian setting was quite creative.

In general, though, I agree. I wish the blatant copying without giving out due credit needs to stop.

[–] sshekhr 16 years ago

Ab tak chappan was partially picked up from tamil film kakha kakha!

[–] anonmuss 17 years ago

I have seen Bicentennial Man, that movie sucked like anything. Black should never be compared to such a movie. Not even the theme is same! Just because both the movies happen to be about life of abnormal/handicapped people and their struggles doesn't make the two movies similar or for God sakes "inspired".

[–] sonysoftware_14 17 years ago

Wow.....
Black was obviously inspired by the story/life of Hellen Keller....DUH!
Maybe Bollywood movies sometimes copy American movies, but at least most of them don't have any corrupt material that would ruin the minds of innocent children like american movies do.

[–] gagan89 18 years ago

You knw what
this is kinda get sickening...
everytime theres some movie which is a hit people come out saying they copied the idea from somewhere
i mean comeon jeeeezz, look I agree the human mind is very vast and it can fish out LOTS of different ideas but there are tons of movies being made every freaking day ALL around the world.I mean you ll always be able to find some corelation with some movie
if bollywood copies ideas from hollywood they copy ideas from japanese movies( and yes they do) anywayz the point if you want to prove that u dont like a certain movie u can always find reasons to do so and if somebody doees the contrary they can prove their standpoint as well
so instead of yelling from where they copied the movie just enjoy the damn movie
if u dont like it switch it off! simple enough .
and no i m not in favour of any cinema industry i m in favour of good and powerful cinema

[–] SecretAgentGirl13 18 years ago

In English there is a saying. "Imitation is the highest form of flattery". Personally I see nothing wrong with Bollywood making a remake of The Miracle Worker or any other movie for that matter. And if you want to be critical and tell a movie industry to "get original", try telling Hollywood then too. Ever seen Annie? Which one? The Parent Trap? with Haley Mills? Lindsay Lohan? or Mary-Kate and Ashley?

Let's face it, some stories are simply time-honored classics, cult classics or whatever...people like them and they will watch them in other forms. Who cares? If you don't want to see a remake of something, don't watch it.

Koi Mil Gaya is similar to Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I love both. So what.

Bollywood pyar hai.

[–] HeadleyLamarr 18 years ago

Remake but acknowledge it - do not plagiarize, that is like stealing!

[–] bsilver87 17 years ago

Yup, it's a Hellen Keller story, just stolen, with the names changed around.

It didn't bother me though, but, either way, this movie has already been made.
The acting in Black is good though, but, i dont see a reason for this movie to have come to fruition when it has already been made. I appreciated the movie, and even though I've already technically seen it, it's STILL nice to see an Indian touch.

As for the same "if you don't like it, don't watch it" thing people are saying, that's very stupid. To not like a movie, is to watch it and express dislike for it. You have to watch a movie to not like it, otherwise, you are making assumptions, and boy does everyone hate assumptions.

To the people who are telling everyone not to complain about it and turn their TVs off, have you read about Hellen Keller? I bet you havent.

And yes, America makes many remakes, but they also tend to suck anyway, so, your point is?

Anyway, it's better than the typical Bollywood movies...I don't like many, even though I am Indian, but there are a few great ones that are really top-notch.

[–] pathbasu 15 years ago

While I agree with ur views against the "if u dont like, dont watch it",
i have to disagree with ur comments of trivialy stating that Black is
just a Helen Keller story "stolen".
The fact is that one cannot "steal" a real-life situation. Just like you cant say a movie like Scarface or Raging Bull is stolen because it interprets a real-life event, simmilarlu u cant accuse Black of being a stealer.

U further add that either way this movie has already been made (i guess u r referring to the hollywood made Miracle worker)
But, one must realise the difference between a remake and a rip-off.
While there've been Bollywood movies that r absolute rip-offs (like Chocolate for Usual Suspects, Zinda for Old Boy, the list is endless),
Black cannot be branded as 1 in that category simply because it takes inspiration from previous work but adds value to it by developing the plot further.
Miracle worker ended with ann sullivan teaching helen how to speak.
ut, in Black, the teacher-student relationship is further explores & enhanced as we see Amitabh Bacchan encouraging her to take higher studies, build a career & become totally self-sufficient.
(Warning - Spoilers ahead)
What is also touching is the last 1/2 hour where we see the tables turned; the teacher (thru unfortunate circunstances) is down with Alzeimer's and the student trying her best to help him get back his recollections. She obviously fails but her efforts to give back to the teacher for all his sacrifices is particularly poignant yet heart-warming.
Also , the overall aesthetics of the movie is par-excellent.

[–] nikitamrmangaloglu 17 years ago

You go, man!!!
I totally agree with you. If you don't like the movie, switch it off, or just walk out of the cinema! Don't go spoiling the experience for the rest of us. And you know what else? i don't understand why people have to act so superior by telling the rest of us who enjoy a movie like BLACK that it was pretentious and a copy of Hollywood. I mean, it's not like Hollywood is always the most creative place in the world. Sure, they may have a quality of films that is, for the most part, somewhat superior, but we must keep in mind the fact the movies are directed to somewhat different audiences.
Lemme explain... For example, during the Depression, movies were often unrealistic, fantastic, full of dancing, romance and happy endings. The reason? The films were meant to be uplifting and distract people for a bit. The things is, in India right now, many people live in poor and depressive situations. For this reason, they can appretiate the fantastic, unrealistic theatre that carries them out of themselves and lets them dream of luxury, glamor. This doesn't mean they're inferior to anyone, does it? They are just tired of facing cold, harsh reality and need some relief.
All in all, films like BLACK can be inspiring and uplifting to people. Also, films like BLACK, though they may have their flaws, are definately demostrating the fact Indian cinema is slowly maturing.
And that is the conclusion of my essay-like post >.< sorry, didnt mean to make it so long...

[–] lose-control 18 years ago

Bollywood copying Hollywood aside, this film was actually a really great film. The acting was well done, they way the film was portrayed was excellent. If the film was copied and it turned out crap, I'd slam it for sure, but movies that turn out good should get some credit, even if they were 'copied'.

[–] rv224 18 years ago

Yes Hollywood remakes films from the past - but they acknowledge this and also BUY THE RIGHTS. They even do this when remaking Japanese horror films.

Intellectual property rights seems to have no place in Bollywood. They need to stop plagarizing and start coming up origional material. Or if they want to recreate a foreign flick - buy the rights!

[–] manasvi 18 years ago

I am a Big fan of Black.Yet I do not accept it as being faultless.For one,the acting sometimes is too crude,more subtlety is required.And it does seem as if it is not really in India,but somewhere abroad,because of the settings,and the people
However,it is probably one of the technically good films,in fact,most of them are excellent.
As for originality,it is not always possible to get an original idea.Many of Hollywood's original and great films have come from books,etc.Any one heard of a movie called "Magnificent Seven"?Well,it was based on Kurasawa's Seven Samurai.
And while I do feel that there is an over dependence on Hollywood for ideas,as long as the movies are good,I'd rather just sit back and enjoy the movie

[–] BanduDandu 17 years ago

Yes Hollywood remakes films..Japanese films, Korean films, Cantanse films etc! However they actually buy the rights and give the actual makers credit which sadly Bollywood doesnt do!!

[–] halder-sandeep 17 years ago

agreed dude.....what bollywood does,let's face it is simple copying.the 1st half of black is a scene to scene copy of the miracle wroker.let's face it bhansali is a pathetic filmmaker....he just pretends to be in the league of filmaker like satyajit ray and bergman.even hum dil de chuke sanam is remake of several films.it has close resemblence to anil kapoor's woh saat din.

[–] real_hill 18 years ago

Hellen Keller , anyone ?

life is like a ice cream cone, better lick it ,before you get licked

[–] Taralla 18 years ago

Hollywood is constantly churning out remakes. What's wrong with Bollywood doing it? :\ I hardly count sequels as 'original' either - and Hollywood has plenty of those. I'm a big fan of both Bollywood and Hollywood though.

I haven't seen the original story of this (Miracle Man?), so I'm thankful that they actually did redo it. I thought the movie was simply brilliant. Ok - it wasn't perfect, but no movie ever is. I found the directing superb and the acting top notch in Black.

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[–] bsilver87 17 years ago

Hollywood churns out bad remakes. So does Bollywood. There you go.

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