HORRIBLY TERRIBLE


wow, just watched it and, not that i had high expectations but i didnt think it would suck this bad. it was so bad, so terribly written, so immature, so predictable, so unrealistic in a theme that thrives on realism, so hoaky, so unsubtly directed. On the back of the dvd it says in the tradition of american beauty, then i knew that it wasnt as good, not that i thought it would be in the first place but they just want to orient themselves with a good movie, this movie is the equivelant to american beauty's fecal matter. AB was good because it was above what was on the surface, what the dialogue was, it was all above it in a way that was not immature and led it to be very misunderstood. this film is basically so crappy because of its unsubtleness, at times i had to look away from the screen because i was sure they were going to say something so immature and sure enough i heard it with my teeth crinched.

is dan harris a freshman in high school, because this is probably the film i wouldve made in 9th grade.

Last Movie I Watched:
Imaginary Heroes-Dan Harris (4/10)

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ROFL

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This was such an excellent film! You clearly have no apprecation for greatness!!!!!

[green]Janet Reno you box dirty!!! Then how comes my conscience is so clean??? [green]

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i definitely have an appreciation for greatness, greatneess like Citizen Kane, Persona, Tokyo Story, Winter Light, Wild Strawberries, Diary of a Country Priest, Annie Hall, Manhattan, The Seventh Seal, The Big Lebowski, Miller's Crossing, Touch of Evil, A Woman Under the Influence, Hiroshima Mon Amour, Ping Pong, Bob Le Flambeur, these are all exceptional works of intelligence, unlike the crapfest i was referring to earlier.

Last Movie I Watched:
Imaginary Heroes-Dan Harris (4/10)

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Hey....I gave it a 4 too!

This movie was pretty bad....I was expecting a better movie too. I watched it with my dad and his quote was "none of these characters have any type of opening for the audience to relate too."
and my quote was
"you know a movie is bad when all you can think about is it ending and what you'll do after."

~But that's just me~

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actually i related alot to the characters in this movie. peoples lives are so different that not everyone is going to be able to relate to thecharacters in a movie.

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I wish your posts were grammatically correct.

Furthermore, title-dropping, as it were, proves nothing.

At any rate, The Seventh Seal was a *beep* mess, as are your arguments.

It's funny that someone who seeks "exceptional works of intelligence" and hates movies with any "unsubtleness" (is that a word?) speaks so bluntly and, to be honest, in such a juvenile manner.



You're a pretentious *beep* Take off your beret, sir, and realize that your pedestal is false.

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ragging on grammar, cmon, what are you 5?
I was "title-dropping" because the previous poster said i didnt have an appreciation for greatness and I offered those titles as examples of Greatness. If you think The Seventh Seal sucks, than that tells me why you like this film and debass posters for reasons that are "to be honest" retarded. "You speak so bluntly", would you rather me speak vaguley in a coded matter. My arguments are perfectly understandable and furthermore, you're a pawn in the following trend of calling people who have tastes in film that dont regard immature crap "pretentious", as if someone should be sorry for liking good movies. "oh, he likes European movies,....hmmmmm, hey I'll call him pretentious."

Last Film I Watched-
Stolen Kisses - Francois Truffaut (8/10)

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im sorry i cant state it in any other words, i went back and read it and i thought it stated fine what i was trying to say, if there was something in particular you didnt understand ask me.

if you really want laymans terms: this movie is trash.

Last Film I Watched-
2001: A Space Odyssey(2nd)- Stanley Kubrick(10/10)

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Yes, because five-year olds are so commonly known to correct the grammer of others.

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ainsophiaaur, grammar IS important; it improves the way we get ideas across to each other, and the better it can be, the better the understanding. I don't believe in embarrassing bad grammarians in front of others, or being obnoxious about it, but we should value pointers in this regard as they come! Not that I have any particular beef with bartonhudsucker's self-expression.






"Believe not what you wish to believe, but what in truth you can"

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Ummm, moshpit, I believe you are thinking of the Seventh *Sign*, not The Seventh Seal. The Seventh Seal is a movie by Ingmar Bergman, and is considered one of the finest movies ever made, it is #90 in the IMdB's top 250. The dialog alone is worth an Academy Award, and the acting (by all) is superb.

Maybe I'm wrong, but since I agree that The Seventh Sign is a mess, I just figured you might have mixed them up.

"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus

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You are so pretentious, I hardly have words.

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No, I am pretentious. So much so, in fact, that sometimes I have to strike myself in my nether regions as a punishment for my incredible pretentiousness. Truth be told, however, I rather enjoy the pain...

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i don't understand how you say it's poorly written, and tell me how it was predictable, did you know the two friends were brothers, i don't see how you saw that, and I thought the writing was impeccable, it captured every emotion from a teenage perspective who is from a troubled family. Not even financially but emotionally becuase their problems ran deep and it seemed the whole society they lived in had similar problems. Suicide is a tough subject to film I can see how you might think they overdid it ... but it happens man everyday some teen is killing themselves because they feel that life has no purpose for them or they struggle to find meaning. It is a very bold subject and I think this film was excellent from the acting ( Jeff Daniels Squid and the Whale and Imaginery heroes are works of art) to the writing

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I picked this up because of the trailer - what a disappointing, horrible movie.
Suicide is such a terrible tragedy but I kept watching it in hopes that the family would come to terms with it. Except for the father, who went into a deep depression none of the other family members didn't appear to even care. There was no unity, no point and no redeeming value. I'm sorry I wasted my time on it.

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"Suicide is such a terrible tragedy but I kept watching it in hopes that the family would come to terms with it." franny2

I saw the movie...and could relate. Yeah suicide is a terrible tragedy. Ive dealt with it first hand. I lost a really close family member to suicide when I was just a teenager. That being said, EVERYONE deals with it in a different way. And sometimes there is NO "coming to terms with it". Now Im wondering if fanny will come back and say that he/she has also lost someone to suicide. Fine. Then he/she should understand that everyone is different in dealing with a loss like this.

As for the movie itself...I liked it. And not because of the subject matter. I thought it was a solid movie with some good acting. Obiviously, it wasnt for everyone.

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to apcbrena - to answer your question, yes, I have lost someone close to me to suicide. No one ever forgets, and you are right, how one deals with itis based on the individual. I am sorry for your experience with suicide as it is a "terrible tragedy."
Too bad you took my comment out of context. In this movie, which is what we're really talking about on this board, none of the characters acted as if they cared - except for the father - nor was the subject matter even covered as far as I'm concerned. You're entitled to your opinion but don't quote out of context. Franny (not Fanny)

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Sorry about the name franny. I still have to disagree with you though. I think that the characters were dealing with it in their own way. And thats what I meant in my own original post. Sure the fathers pain was obivious. But think back to how all the rest of the charaters were responding. The only character we didnt see on a regular basis was the sister, but she did break down towards the end also when she learned that her mother might also be dying. I dont think the movie was really intended to deal with these people learning to cope with a sucide. The sucide was just a way to start a snowball of changes that these people were going to have to deal with in their own way.

Again...just my opinion. I liked this movie because it was one that I couldnt stop thinking about. I dont expect anyone else to feel the way that I do.

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I don't think you understood the other characters. Dan cared cause it was his son. Tim didn't care because his older step brother used to beat the hell out of him for no reason. He felt no sympathy for his brother. The mother and dan marriage had been in the rocks ever since she had the affair. Dan treated Tim like he wasn't his son until he realized his mistake. The biggest problem in this problem was communication. I don't think the mother cared that much about her older son because it was dan's son too and their marriage and relationship had probably been in the rocks for a long time. She probably didn't have a great relationship with her older son since the affair. Tim did seem disturbed in the kitchen after seeing his dead brother but so would anyone no matter what it was.

The scene that got me emotionally is when Tim confronts Dan after he has been drinking. It done very well. The movie is worth buying just on that scene alone cause it appeared very true to me.

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Being "in the tradition of" American Beauty (which was itself not the film the critical mass made it out to be) apparently means sort of occasionally reminding you of it, and therefor how much better it was. The most obvious way being part of the scoring.

I really gotta emphasize my agreement with you on the cliched and stereotypical part. The only people who wouldn't agree have got to be people who watch mostly $hitty movies and don't have much exposure to much of the greats.

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BEWARE: Spoilers

This movie wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. If I took illegal drugs, I would probably go nuts over this movie like so many others have. Drug taking is not funny or cool and I don't relate to characters that take drugs in movies, so I'm not going to feel any connection with them.

And do people like the kid who killed himself still exist? If your parents force you into something you hate, you don't kill yourself, you tell them to shove it, then you go get a job and live your own life. He was 20 after all. If you're still letting your parents boss you around at 20, maybe you should sew on a hairy pair and figure out what you want to do with your life and go do it. Society wants to pitch you into the trash as soon as you turn 30, so you better get off your butt and do something you love with those very short 10 years. Time seems to speed up the older you get (I didn't believe it, but it's true). Every year goes by faster than the one before, so we cannot afford to waste any time.

And didn't the main character of the movie find out that he was related to his best friend? Didn't he kiss and have sex with his half brother? Why wasn't there at least a small scene where they talked about that? "Hey, guess what? You're my half brother. Maybe we should stop taking drugs so we won't have any more nasty gay brother sex."

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"If your parents force you into something you hate, you don't kill yourself, you tell them to shove it, then you go get a job and live your own life."

Just about the most fanciful part of a very fanciful post. It's kind of obvious you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Trust me - I've been there and back again and lived to tell the tale. Sometimes, you don't "tell them to shove it" because you might just get a fist to the face or a boot to the shins or a knee to the groin. Sometimes, you just can't because years of bullsh*t have broken your spirit. And as for living your own life, sometimes that ain't so easy, either because you weren't prepared to deal with anybody in the real world who wasn't a taker or a bully. Walk a coupla miles in somebody else's shoes and then tell me how easy it is. Some of this movie may have been superficial, but they got a hell of a lot of things right.

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Hear, hear, pacificboy, all the way! And does anybody really think that two teenagers of the same gender who have stumbled into sex with each other under Ecstasy are really gonna sit down and discuss it? C'mon. C'mon!







"Believe not what you wish to believe, but what in truth you can"

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if you think this movie was horribly terrible, you haven't seen Gigli
::shudders::

this movie was great.

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The two films should never be compared in the same sentence!






"Believe not what you wish to believe, but what in truth you can"

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I've got two replys to this:

1. Some people might like this film, it's unfair to say this movie is trash
and influence other's decision on which movie they should watch unless you can be a bit more specific than "unsubtle". Comeon. At least include your opinion of who might like this film, it appears quite afew people did.

2. You do better. Posts like these present just another Joe Bloggs whose willing to complain but not to offer any opinion of how it could have been better.
Unless you can do better, give the script writer, the actors and the director the benefit of a fair critique.

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i believe i can and have done better. Even for how ameteur my films are they are still above this, no doubt about it.

Last Film I Watched-
Nashville - Robert Altman(8/10)

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bartonhudsucker, I know this is OT, but how did you like "Nashville"? (One of my faves)





"Believe not what you wish to believe, but what in truth you can"

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well, i liked it no doubt but found it inferior to Short Cuts, it no doubt had some great scenes that were very touching(unlike Imaginary Heroes) and the message and End were good, but the only reason i wouldnt call it great is that i found it hard to get through the seemingly endless country music scenes(only a couple) and im not someone who finds it hard to get through very many films.

Last Film I Watched-
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance(2nd) - Chan-wook Park(8/10)

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why dont u tell us all the names of your movies..so that we can watch them and critique them in the same way..since u think that you are above this movie..u wouldnt mind us calling your movie garbage or gold..i think this movie was great and it brought tears to my eyes what this kid went thru..im sure the actors in this movie would love to hear your comments and suggestions since it wasnt up to par for you barton ..it was a movie that kept me interested from start to finish ..which is rare for me..

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first of all, to see my movies i would have to make a copy and then send it and then anyone watching it would already have their head made up before they watched and blah blah blah.
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i think this movie was great and it brought tears to my eyes what this kid went thru..im sure the actors in this movie would love to hear your comments and suggestions since it wasnt up to par for you barton ..it was a movie that kept me interested from start to finish ..which is rare for me..
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im sure the actors wouldnt give a crap, and since you havent seen very many films that keep you interested here are a few suggestions that i highly reccomend:
The 400 Blows
Persona
Dancer in the Dark
Solyaris (by Tarkovsky, not Soderbergh)
Days of Heaven
Badlands
The Thin Red Line
A Woman is A Woman
Jules et Jim
Aguirre, the Wrath of God
Gerry
Stardust Memories
The Limey

Last Film I Watched-
Save the Green Planet! - Jun-Hwang Jeong(6/10)

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I really loved this movie. It can be compared to the icestorm by Ang lee, though being as good as ang lees movie.

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its funny you should say that, i cant stand imaginary heroes beside the point but, i would also compare it to the ice storm, both seem contrived, though i would put the ice storm well ahead even though its pretentious and oversymbollic, but at least its watchable. Both seem to think they're better than they really are, neither notice how shallow and ungroundbreaking they are even though they think the opposite of themselves. But Ang Lee's film has much better craftsmanship and acting, although the acting in both films leaves something to be desired.

Last Film I Watched
F for Fake - Orson Welles(9/10)

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This film is hardly terrible. The acting was great, the storyline was amazing. Sometimes it's nice to watch a film where the characters are "real" people.

On another note, just watched Pretty Persuasion the other day... another great flick.

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Heather, if you want to watch an excellent film where the characters are real people i highly suggest A Woman Under the Influence. As to Pretty Persuasion, i have it on my Netflix list and will get around to viewing it.

Last Film I Watched
L'Eclisse - Michelangelo Antonioni(9/10)

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I was just wondering, what would you change about this film? I mean, you conatasntly say how your own films are better, yet not once give constructive criticism about what you would do to make it better. And putting a list of films doesn't mean you know what your talking about, personally French New Wave films bore me, I quite enjoy many other apparently "Intellectual films though," does that make me half a retard and half not? Everyone is open to their opinions and just slating a film because "It's crap," without giving any positive criticism is just a waste of electrons.

For my opinion on the film, I loved it, I thought that the people's reactions were very realistic and acted very well. Especially how it slowly unravelled the secrets the family had.

And just wondering, how long are the films you've made? Because if you have the time you could just upload them onto Google Video or the like, I try mine but It takes too long on my connection.

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"I mean, you conatasntly say how your own films are better"

what are you talking about, i said the below statement once, "constantly" and i also said they were amateurish, i was not so much saying anything good about my films as much as saying how bad this film is.
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"i believe i can and have done better. Even for how ameteur my films are they are still above this, no doubt about it. "
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i dont know what you mean by "putting a list of films" if you are talking about my profile, thats what profiles are mainly used for, to describe your taste.
As for French New Wave being dull, which ones have you seen, because some of them are masterworks: A Woman is a Woman, Masculin Feminin, The 400 Blows, etc. as for calling you half retarded, no i wont, but i would say for myslef that you can have an opinion about films and even the French New Wave films, but i think its a fact that many of the French New Wave films are good, you can like them or not, but i dont think its a question of opinion when it comes down whether they are good and such, its like calling DaVinci or Michaelangelo's masterworks bad, you can go ahead but i think you're wrong, you can slate me for my opinion on opinions as im sure its a somewhat radical opinion when put into words but save your breath, please.

as for constructive criticism, well its hard to start with one category, its like Crash, the whole thing is bad, you would have to start over from scratch. But lets just say i enjoy family films that are a lot more subtle, for example, watch Ozu's Tokyo Story, its one of the best films i have ever seen and most definitely the best family film i have ever seen.

and as for my films, they run from 45min to an hour and they are all on video edited from two vcrs, partly for lack of resources and partly for simplistic aesthetics.

Last Film I Watched:
The Isle - Ki-Duk Kim(8/10)

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Sorry about that, my spelling was poor (I have half the mind to go back and recorrect it)

I apologise for not reading closely enough into your posts, from my first read I just saw you saying your films were better.

I know the French New Waves films are meant to be good, however, I never liked the style personally. I had to watch Breathless (I won't attempt it's native title because I really don't like butchering french) and found it very difficult to sit through. (Although it may have been more to do with the environment I watched it in).

Was the fact that Imaginary Heroe's didn't slowly lead you a perfect row of clues and it was so quick to change and "awaken" these secrets the reason you dislike it so much? Or was it too obvious from the beginning about the many secrets it hid, which slurred your enjoyment of it?

How would you have made it better? Would you have set the "tragedy" in the middle of the film with more story leading to the event, or would you have chosen a different cast (in which case, who would you pick or what was bad about the current actor?), would you have changed the story at all? I ask because, I found nothing wrong with it, and thus wondered if you could give me a glimpse of what you think would have made it better?

And for your films, ah, so they can't really be uploaded then? Ah well, I was just asking because I like to watch amateur (not in any way presuming that your works are "below par" in any way) productions, it helps inspire me since my own projects generally would involve a budget much more vast then I have available.

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first of all Breathless is a breath of fresh air for me(no pun intended) and for all modern cinema from 1959 on, and i think the direction and acting are a marvel, but anyway:

this film bothered me because i knew from the beginning what kind of film it could turn out to be and it unravelled just like that. It came off as if it was so powerful and it knew it was trying to be, it was pretentious, even though i hesitate to use the phrase because usually pretentious films are even better than this one.
Its not that it didnt leave me clues to figure it out, its that everything was spelled out for you in an overly dramatic and melodramatic way. It was hard to watch the actors say their lines because they came looking so stupid and unbelievably thoughtful. And the comment on family was nothing special or new.

What would have made it better was if it didnt try to be a noble film, if it was just a film that had something to say that wasnt thinking that it was so 'noble', perfect example as i mentioned of another film that tradgically and hopelessly sets out to be a 'noble' film is Crash

Last Film I Watched:
Heat - Michael Mann(9/10)

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I agree, this film is a crap 3/10

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thank you, at least someone has there head on their shoulders here

Last Film I Watched:
Dear Wendy - Thomas Vinterberg(7/10)

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Steaming pile of ka-ka.

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I thought this film was (i'll use another poster's word & say) "subtly" inspiring. It's like you felt, in parts, the family just wasnt connecting or either they weren't connecting to their roles. Either way, I think was intended...to leave yourself open to any interpretation. To me it was thought provoking & for some enlightning. For the poster referring to the drug element in the movie...I don't think it played such a pivotal role in the film.

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