Should they have told Dan Deb tried to kill him?
It could've saved Keith's life but no favors for Deb.
It was a situation where no one could tell or keep quiet about it.
No one thought Dan would kill Keith, so they figured why tell him. He would have probably killed Deb instead
shareBy knowing what they know now do they think should've come clear?
If they figured he would kill Deb why not Keith?
I dont think they thought Dan would kill Deb either. I was simply saying that if they had told him it was Deb, that he would have probably killed her instead. I dont think any of them ever thought Dan would kill someone, make their life hell, yes, actually murder someone, no.
shareDoes it seem obvious now that Dan would kill someone since he had bit of a rough upbringing.
Would they ask someone else to die so Keith could live?
I dont think Dan had a 'rough upbringing'
If that was the case then Nathan could potentially be a killer too. (Having the exact same upbringing a Dan)
I think that without Jimmys gun, Dan would of killed Keith somehow.
Throughout the seasons we have seen Dan react violently (smashing his car window in season 1 for example).
So i think Keiths death was inevitable.
And if Dan knew it was Deb who tried to kill him he would of killed her.
(another example)
When he found out the truth he grabbed Deb by the throat, pushed her against the wall and told her to be afraid.
I dont think that was because he killed Keith instead of her.
I think its because he knew she tried to kill him, pure and simple.
In that moment he hated her as much as he hated Keith when he thought Keith was the one who tried to kill him.
So i think either way, Keith (or Deb) would of died.
Did Dan have a narcissistic personality disorder? he seemed incapable of loving a blood relative like a brother and was impossible to please.
I think too without the gun and school shooting he could've killed Keith some other way like beating or strangling him to death.
I dont think any of them ever thought Dan would kill someone, make their life hell, yes, actually murder someone, no.
Why was it hard to believe Dan would kill somebody?
At that point Dan's hatred of Keith and need for love, attention and success had escalated into murder/fratricide. share
Because Dan loved to make people life's hell, once he kills them he can't do that, so it makes no sense that he would kill them. I still think if the situation would have been different and there had been no gun that Dan would not have killed Keith, but that's my opinion.
shareHe wants make people's life hell because because they resent him or disappoint, he desperate for success. Yeah once he kills someone as you after Keith's death he changes, it does seems he's incapable of joy, impossible to please.
Why a gun? why not kill Keith with his bare hands? strangling Keith or beating him to death.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368530/board/thread/250880868
Why a gun? Becuase he never planned on killing Keith, so if the gun had not been there he would have never killed him, it was a spur of the moment decision he made.
shareProbably waiting for the right time to do it, do in a way he gets away with it. Think he hoped Jimmy would shot him.
Another poster said maybe he could beaten Keith to death if the shootout didn't happen.
IMHO, and again this is only my opinion, I don't think Dan would have killed him if the gun and situation had not been there. I don't believe that thought ever crossed his mind, I believe it was seriously a spur of the moment decision on his part.
shareYour opinion is the only one that is valid?
Dan never came off as someone with murder at the last minute.
Didn't have to be a gun or the shootout.
I never said my opinion is the only valid one. I'm just telling you it's my opinion and you can take it how ever you want. It's apparent I feel one way and you feel another way. Doesn't mean I'm right or your right, just how we feel. I don't think either one of us will change or opinion on the matter
shareBit late to the thread on this one but I agree. I don't think Dan ever planned on killing Keith. I think he just did it in the heat of the moment. If he had been planning it and just biding his time for an opportunity I don't know that he would have felt the guilt that he did afterward.
shareAs a poster pointed on this thread we've seen Dan react violently like punching his fist through a car window. Could've easily killed Keith by beating or strangling him in a fit of rage without thinking.
shareCould've easily killed Keith by beating or strangling him in a fit of rage without thinking
Sure Dan could have done that, but it wouldn't have been pre-meditated, which was my point. I just don't think Dan went into the school with the intent of killing Keith and I don't think he was going to around looking for an opportunity to kill him. I think he did in the spur of the moment, as you said, "without thinking".
I don't like that name. Let's call you... Brooke! share
There's a video on YouTube with him saying he hoped Keith would get shot by Jimmy and how people loved him.
Strangling would've been more obvious for a spur of the moment and a bit more R rated.
He said that b/c he wasnt happy that he was the one that killed Keith. I can't remember where I saw it, maybe on interviews on the DVD's but he wasnt happy about it.
shareTruthfully, it's been so long since I've watched the school shooting episode (or season 3-4 at all) that I don't remember that part. You wouldn't have a link would you? I'm sure it happened, I just wouldn't mind seeing the context - was it said maliciously? Out of Guilt?
In any case, I still don't think that Dan went into the school with the intention of killing Keith. How could he? He had no way of knowing that Jimmy would shoot himself in the chest and the gun would land basically at his feet. But like I said, this is all just my opinion and I haven't watched these episodes in a long time so maybe I am remembering it wrong.
Cheers :)
I don't like that name. Let's call you... Brooke!
He seemed pleased and cold hearted that he'd done it up until Deb told him it was her who tried to burn. On another Dan may've suffered from borderline/narcissistic personality disorder, he had a dysfunctional personality and was impossible to please.
Which it on something like putlocker is.
I sort of feel like I'm repeating myself over and over again saying the same thing so I apologize for that, but again my only point on this thread was that I don't think Dan followed Keith into the school that day with the intention of killing him.
I'm not saying he didn't hate his brother or that he probably even wished him dead, but I just don't think he went into the school on a mission to kill Keith and I don't think he was going around Tree Hill biding his time and planning a way to kill him. I think his hatred and jealous toward his brother built up and then opportunity presented itself and he took it.
I don't like that name. Let's call you... Brooke!
Cause he went in to kill him why else. His hate and jealous escalated into murder.
He showed no remorse over it until Deb told him you idiot.
And this is where our conversation ends. I'll never understand why people resort to calling someone childish names simply because they have a difference of opinion. But I'm the idiot. OK.
I don't like that name. Let's call you... Brooke!
Dan seemed really pleased he'd done it up until Deb told him it was her who tried to kill.
shareWhy was it hard to believe Dan would kill somebody?
Dan was NOT a killer. I think he responded in a state of madness when he shot Keith - there is no ways he was a murderer.
I hate what the writers did to his character - the downfall which followed in S5+6 (Seasons I skipped his scenes as I couldn't bare seeing him in such a sad state of affairs). They should have kept him as the S1 type of guy...
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If you kill in a state of madness makes you a murderer.
Dan didn't feel any remorse until Deb told him it was her who burnt down his dealership.