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Episodes where you wish the doer was someone else


"Andy in C Minor":
As all fans of the show know, the "best friend doer" is easily the show's most notorious cliche. A slightly lesser-known one is the suspect who expresses disinterest in something in their first interview but, as we later see, really wanted that something, and later killed the victim over it (Karen and her kid in "The Good-bye Room", Jacob and going back to the Amish in "Running Around", George Watson living in a Libertyville home in "Libertyville"). Fitting both of those cliches, Carlos was kind of an uninspired choice for doer. A far better choice, IMHO, would've been Leah, the semi-stalker girl who later got a cochlear.

Picture this: We end up discovering that Leah got her cochlear after Andy got his, rather than before. She thought since he liked Emma, maybe he'd like her again if she could hear. Of course he doesn't, so now she's undergone this procedure, leaving her not totally fitting in the hearing world or the deaf world, for a boy who doesn't even want her. Frustrated, she clocks him in the head with the metronome. What do you think?

"Schadenfreude":
Again, best friend doer. Meh. What if it was the wife of the man had died on Steven's table? Maybe since her husband died, she wanted Steven to feel the same loss.

"Wednesday's Women":
I knew early on it wouldn't be any of the women, but what if it was the doer's sister instead?

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I don't want him to actually be guilty but I wish It's Raining Men had explored Russ (Artie's fiancee) as a suspect more. I loved what we saw of him and thought he had an interesting motive. Here's what I would have done:

The detectives find out that Russ was seen at the scene of the crime not long before Jeff was killed and question him about it. Russ reveals that he went to Jeff's (that's where he was killed, right?) and, in a drugged out state, begs him not to out Carson to the public. He depends on Carson and will be ruined if Carson's career is destroyed. Jeff tries to convince him that it will be good for homosexuals in the long run but it doesn't seem to work. Russ gets angry and it looks like he may get violent but Jeff calms him down by telling him that he could have a better life than the one he has. He knows a place where that can help him get off drugs and that way he can live his own life independent from men like Carson. Russ leaves.

Back in the present, Russ reveals that hearing about Jeff's murder the next day inspired him to turn his life around so his death wouldn't be in vain.

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Wednesday's women= I agree that they put Jim here from nothing. He was, indeed, one of the worst doer, evil racist and too proud for letting a housewife stand up to him in front of his friends..

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leah definitely should have been the killer in c minor. much better motive as a murderer

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I agree. As it was,they simply went with the jealous best friend route again.

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Debut- It seemed too random and I liked him too much.

I do agree with the previous poster that once you get used tot he pattern of the show you can pick out the doer 80% of the time. The ones I usually end up having no clue in are the ones that were not actually murders.



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I agree with you about Debut. I'm sorry but several of the other girls had much stronger motives then he did.
As for being able to figure out the doer,pretty much the case with any crime show after a while,the patterns become really easy to pick up,even on shows like CSI and NCIS I can figure out who the bad guys are early on.

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I agree with most of your choices Jacksonepling! I don't really remember Who's Your Daddy but what you said makes sense. I made a similar point earlier about Beautiful Little Fool. Who would you have preferred to be the killer in Colors and Beautiful Little Fool?

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The episode Ravaged comes to mind- yeah, I had to look it up. Anyway, the one frat boy staying at the bar trying to hook up with victim despite her being an alcoholic. At least her dog had enough sense between them to not let that happen.


Are we beginning to see the possibilities here?

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Those two choices for Colors make sense. I already knew who the killer was when I watched that episode and I was disappointed that it was him. He seemed likeable. I agree that the motivation was weak.

I guess you read what I wrote about Beautiful Little Fool? Your ideas are good. I like the idea of Violet being a little bit bad (but not completely). I think if Felix had killed her because of blackmail, he still would have looked kind of bad (especially because she had a baby) but it would have made more sense.

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mickey stein? why should he have killed violet? because of carmela le fleur?

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"mickey stein? why should he have killed violet? because of carmela le fleur?"

Yes, that was my idea. I thought he could have killed Violet because he saw her as a threat to Carmela's happiness. He seemed very devoted to her. I think it's at least a better idea than what the episode actually did.

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don't agree about true calling, very good episode with a likeable victim and the relationshoip between laura and renaldo..the most obvious choice would've been the other teacher, margaret..and renaldo of course..

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"Justice." I understand that not all the victims can be good or sympathetic but Mike was just such a cliche: rich kid rapist hiding behind the facade. Why did he grow up to be that way? What about his family? If nothing, wouldn't it be interesting to find out how would they feel after the truth came to light? What was he into other than brutalizing the girls who trusted him? We knew absolutely nothing about him, and not much about the victims either, except for Tessie.
It also kinda bothered me that, no matter how much I sympathized with Jimmy, the murder was ruled to be self defense, when it obviously wasn't, mainly because they had no problems arresting Dom in Boy crazy, among others. And in an episode centered almost completely about interviewing Mike's victims as the suspects, the doer and the motive had been predictable: instead of the murderer being the rape victim, it had been someone close to one. 
I think that it would have been a good twist if Mike had somehow grown to feel remorse over his actions and committed suicide after the girls had left. The one following the girls wasn't Jimmy, but the cop who gave the gun to Tessie Bartram. She wanted to make sure that they would follow through with the plan. After seeing what had happened, she disposed of the gun so it couldn't be linked to her or the girls somehow. That would have been interesting and more complex, both the victim and story wise, and wouldn't have been as predictable, since, when it turns out that the victim committed suicide, there are usually subtle clues throughout the episode and the victim is displayed as sympathetic rather than being the wrongdoer. 
Or maybe not all of the girls featured were his victims... maybe one of them was his girlfriend and was supposed to meet with him there when he was confronted by his victims and confessed, later she went over there and, feeling betrayed, picked up the gun and killed him. Shocked, confused, she met up with one of the victims and admitted to what she had done: they accepted her as one of their own, since she was too, in a way, betrayed by him, and because she had finally taken him off the streets, and later, when the truth came to light, she lied about being raped by him, to explain her connection with the woman who vandalised his grave, while the other victims followed. They could have made her to be the very girl who had vandalised his grave-that twist would have been unexpected: the woman who was the most revegenful at him was never his direct victim. (Of course, writers would have to explain one rose too many in Mike's yearbook.)
That would have been interesting and thought provoking: the way it turned out, however, it was too cliche for me. The actresses were great and I really felt sympathy for Mike's victims and the killer, music choices were great too, but the case itself was predictable and unoriginal, and the victim was just... too unlikeable and one dimensional.

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I dont know the name of the episode, but it revolves around a home for unwed mothers. I love this episode, but the killer is just so sad and I feel for her.
The victim is a young mother, 17 years old or so. And her boyfriend leaves her. She is found killed in the woods, and the murderer is another mother at the home, whose son was adopted.

Her attitude in the beginning compared to the end is moving.


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the goodbye room

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Thank you :)



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