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nearly perfect film. but one thing always bothers me....


i love this movie. i have ever since i saw it the first day it came out in theaters. but one thing that has always bothered me with the film concerns the 'hey you' cover. can we really believe that bernard, the ultimate know-it-all and intellectual, would not have heard of the song and called out his son immediately? it was and is pretty damn famous and popular. really one of the best songs of all time. anyone else bothered by this and have any thoughts?

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He knew, I think. He acknowledged later that he "took his own interpretation of it," this could also be hinting at his literature, which could have been borrowed as well.

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I think it just proved he's not as all-knowing as his pretension implied...

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If you think he knew you must have missed the part immediately after Walt played it for him where he asked if he wrote it and complimented the lyrics. I don't think popular music is something Bernard would know about, he probably considers any music made after he hit puberty to be beneath him.

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I agree with CoolHandChowdah.

One thing that bugged me about that part: Why didn't anyone in the crowd immediately object since "Hey You" had been a hit for years by that time (1986). Or maybe some people did immediately complain and word ultimately made it to the faculty. Regardless, it was way too popular of a song to try to plagiarize; after all, even Walt's housemate Lily (Anna Paquin) recognized it.

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he could have make Walt plagiarize some very recent song by a not so famous band, but I think this song is important to Baumbach and the lyrics carry a message.
like, if teh song was not written in 1986 he should not put it into his film to avoid being listed as a goof on IMDB ? :))

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I can believe Bernard not recognizing the song. When I was in high school, friends of mine used to hand in lyrics to songs like "Stairway to Heaven" in creative writing class and get away with it.
Certainly, listening to Pink Floyd would not have fit the image Bernard had made for himself. Yes, Pink Floyd has a certain cache among some intellectuals, but Bernard had a disdain for popular art (note the way he reacts when he's seen with the Elmore Leonard book in the hospital, the way he talks down the most popular Dickens, etc). Even if Bernard had heard the song before, he might have merely thought it sounded familiar, but he wanted so much for his son(s) to be artists, he accepted his son's claim the he had written it.
The point of the whole thing, I think, is not to show Walt as a plagiarist, but to show how far he could deny reality for the sake of gaining his father's respect. That's why Baumbach had to use a well-known song. Obviously, no sensible person could have expected to get away with it. If it had been an obscure song, he'd just look like a cheat. Because it's a popular song, he looks truly troubled.
Walt winning the prize more difficult to believe, I agree. It's possible, though. He only needed to fool the judge(s). I would think many or most of the audience would have known the song, but are they going to scream out an objection during the performance? Maybe they thought he was just joking around about saying he had written it. That's what I thought the first time he said so. After the prize was announced, someone notified the judges, and they looked into it & revoked his prize.

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Glad you put some thought into your analysis - you make some great points! To piggy back on your reply, I agree with not thinking that Bernard would recognize anything rock and roll - it was simply to "Philistine" for him to acknowledge.

In addition, I think the whole scenario symbolizes that fact that the parents were too self-consumed to notice anything going on with their kids. Their kids were suffering, acting out, but they (parents) were too stuck in their own pain to see it. Do you remember dad seeing Frank drink beer and he didn't acknowledge it? It took the school to let the parents know that Frank was also troubled to the point of spreading his manhood around the building. I also thought it was interesting that they never showed the parents addressing the problems directly with the boys, just blaming the other or having someone else fix it (psychologist).

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Most people were only familiar with the hit single from The Wall. So if Bernard wasn't a fan of classic rock radio and never had the album, it's quite understandable that he never heard Hey You. Even most of of Walt's classmates would have been a little young to know it at the time. They all would have remembered the single from 1980, but most probably hadn't heard the album. Lili was the right age to have recognized it.

This is coming from someone who was about Walt's age in 1986.

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good reply's. i just find it to be stretch from all angles. i also hope baumbach can make another film of this caliber since i don't think he has come anywhere close before or after it.

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It wasn't the song they were going to use. It has no special meaning to the plot, Noah B. or the main characters. In the special features, Noah B. is talking to Jesse E. about not getting the rights to the song he wanted to use. He even names that song and it's one I wasn't familiar with. Jesse E. then worries that he hasn't learned to play whatever song it is going to be. Noah B. mentions it'll probably be "Hey You". I guess since it was low-budget, they couldn't pay for the song that Noah B. had wanted. And yes, it is ridiculous that there would be anybody - audience or judges - who didn't know "Hey You" in 1986. And no, this was not a nearly perfect film.

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Sorry, my mistake. The person talking to Jesse E. in the special features is the composer, Dean someone. But the name of the song that was supposed to be used was "Behind Blue Eyes". I know I don't remember that from 1986 as well as "Hey You". But then I wasn't a fan of The Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA

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According to the below poster the song he wanted to use was Behind Blue Eyes. I'm sure if you heard it you would recognize it. That was done by The Who in the early 70's and was on the Who's Next album. Another very popular song on a very popular album from one of the most popular groups of all time.

For a low budget film as you say, I don't get how changing from The Who to Floyd is going to save any money. If I was a money concerned producer and wanted to use the rights to a song, Pink Floyd and The Who would have priced me out.

The fact that no one recognized Hey You did bother me. And don't give me the only song people remember from The Wall is Another Brick in the Wall.

Decent movie otherwise.

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"Behind Blue Eyes" peaked at #34 on the Billboard chart. Not as popular as you are saying. And I will give you "the only song people remember from The Wall is Another Brick in the Wall", because for years after the album and movie came out, it was the only one I knew. A lot of people don't listen to classic rock radio or buy Pink Floyd albums. "ABITW" was the only one played on regular, Top 40, radio.

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As thought provoking as this film was at so many points, it was this very question that bugged me the most.

While I can believe Walt's family may not know of the song, or even of Pink Floyd, the size of that crowd during the talent show was large enough to insure a good many in the audience would immediately recognize the song Walt was trying to "cover" and result in at least some murmuring to the effect Walt not at all original. Perhaps decorum made them stay silent and wait to blow the whistle till later.

What bothered me the most is how self-righteous and glib he was at explaining his plagerism; and how it never occurred to him he'd be found out. Here's a person quite full of himself.

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