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Misinterpretations of the film


I'm seeing a lot of misinterpretation of "Manderlay." Or what should say is that I have a much different interpretation of the film than many here. Because of the complexity of the rhetorical argument that Lars von Trier is making, there will need to be some explanation. In order to get a better understanding of this film, one should be well versed in black history, particularly after the Civil War...

What happened to blacks after the Civil War? The movie immediately addresses "40 acres and a mule." This was a measure given to blacks, by General Sherman, entitling them to land and the opportunity to cultivate it themselves. The reasoning for this act of reparation was needed because blacks after slavery had nowhere to go and nothing of value. Imagine not having any home nor any money, this is a terrible problem. Although "40 acres and mule" was a great step forward, it was discontinued by President Andrew Jackson.

Although conditions after the Civil War allowed blacks to be more free in some regards, an example being that they could vote, their situation remained largely unchanged and many were left in similar conditions of misery as before. Without reparations, or much support from the United States government, blacks had little hope. Many blacks knew how bleak the situation was, although slavery was an abhorrent practice, being "free" in an America infected with racism was not exactly much of an improvement.

The movie "Manderlay" wants to show what blacks were up against and are up against today, with what I think is a marvelous rhetorical argument in a plantation where slavery persists at the consent of the slaves. The message is that the slaves would rather continue a form of pseudo-slavery than be set free into a nation which didn't want them (remember the character who is left lynched from a tree after he has left the confines of the plantation.) What was better a plantation which the owners cared for the slaves as property or a nation filled with hate that blacks were thrown into without any reparation? Clearly, the answer is neither, but the point that Lars von Trier attempts to drive home is that blacks although "free" were not really free.

After reconstruction was ended in 1876 with the victory of President Rutherford B. Hayes, conditions for blacks become even worse as many of their voting rights were restricted. Many Americans who question why black America is in its present state wonder why, but the truth of the matter is that blacks were regarded as second class citizen all the way until 1965 with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act (which gave away the South to the Republican Pary.) In reality blacks have been political free since 1965, although there have been many attempts to curb their right to vote to this day (blacks are an ideal target because they unanimously vote in a certain way). Even if blacks where "free" to vote, this freedom had little effect on improving their economic plight.

Many Americans today blame blacks for their current socio-economic status, with reasoning being that the Civil War was a long time ago and that there has been many opportunities since then. This viewpoint is not only in reference to white America, but also to some conservative blacks such as Bill Cosby who want to see blacks pull themselves up by the bootstrap. Clearly, Lars von Trier thinks this is ridiculous because his many argument in the movie stands out when Timothy says "you created us" and Grace goes on to whip him. Think about what that means: Grace punishes this black man for reminding her what America has done. America punishes blacks by attempting to forget them and blame them for their condition, when in fact its America that has created this problem.

The problem is not that the slaves don't wish to leave the plantation, the problem is that the world which awaits them outside the plantation is a treacherous one. That is the reasoning for the still photos after the movie is finished. In many of the photos we see blacks being beaten, brutalized, and exploited, is this really freedom? This is an incredible critique on America after slavery. Furthermore, I find that it is incredibly shameful that a director from Denmark had to present this movie.

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Excatly,
People expect blacks to thrive after being set free first from slavery and then from legal segregation. Both situations left blacks without the necessary
resources to compete in the outside society but everyone somehow expects them to be alright. 'Everyone is equal now so we can play this game fair and square." Easy enought for one to say that when you acquired all the best cards while you were holding my hands behind my back.
Its like making me play the first half without half my team, and then expecting me to catch up in the second half even though I'm still a man or two down. BS.

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I agree on so many levels on most of what's been written on this board.

I also found a tough speech on american death penalty (How emotional is that scene, and how representative is when Grace says: "killing --- won't bring Claire back"?)

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Now, is the film recist? I don't personally think so, actually I find it to be quite the opposite (you know african american people not ready to face their so called freedom in a society where there was everything but), yet I feel like in times of the extreme political correctness, might be misinterpreted big time.

I mean, just 9 out of the twelve slave roles had to be portrayed by brits due to the african-american actors refusal to play them.

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"i find it incredibly shameful" that you feel the need to 'educate' viewers with all the obvious information your presented..and its BS that you need to "be well versed in black history" to watch this film. are you kidding, you simply need to have been brought into this world to get anything from this, you don't need to be versed in history, but in experience....as for "mis- interpretations..." are you kidding?

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This actually is extremely enlightening. I'm going to have to see the film again now that I have a better understading of what Von Trier is trying to say with this film.

Anyone?

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Actually, I would say the topic is broader than just post-Civil War USA. In my opinion, this film just wants to show us that most people just long for a lifestyle they're used to.... a lifestyle that comes natural to them because they don't know any other way. It shows us how naive liberals try to correct this, yet make mistake after mistake and in the end turn out to be even more arrogant and prejudiced than those they hate. Both Dogville and Manderlay carry a similar theme.

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"40 acres and a mule." This was a measure given to blacks, by General Sherman, entitling them to land and the opportunity to cultivate it themselves.

The problem here, of course, is that General Sherman had no authority to set such a policy in the first place.

I'm not saying it isn't representative of injustices or short-sightedness or that it should have been revoked but rather what "40 acres and a mule" is misunderstood as.

Not least of which would be the fact the mule part is a complete fabrication, it was simply a limited land redistribution plan.

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This an excellent thread and I am thankful for the views people have put forward. After just watching the film myself the comments on here have helped me to more fully develop my own views and make a few things clearer to me.

This a great film I think, the style of filming, similar to that of Dogville, as well as the subject matter of course, makes the viewer focus on the dialogue more than they might otherwise.

The take on slavery in America and indeed American foreign policy are all very thought provoking, and to me that is the sign of a half decent film if it makes you think critically about something, if this film achieves anything than it is that.



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Yeah - but Dogville was a one time (excellent) experiment... I loved it - but this was too much of a 'foreigner' butting his unwanted nose in.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=42385905

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Bump.

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