I'm sure this has been discussed plenty of times but Ben is such an idiotic loser. I'm a 30 year old man and Iove sports, but geez I couldn't stand to watch how he treated his girlfriend. Not going on the Easter trip, not going to Paris, hurting her feelings over the Yankee game. It makes me sad to assume that there really are immature jerks out there like this who treat women like this. Made me cringe. At least he realized it in the end. He was lucky he didn't lose her.
shareLet me rephrase this just a little. I realize there are worse guys than this. Guys who beat their wife/girlfriend or cheat on her. But those guys know what they're doing is wrong. The sad thing about guys like Ben is they don't even realize what they're doing. Like Ben is not a bad guy. He's just very immature and unaware of what should come first in a man's life. And that's sad to see. Seriously it's time to grow up. Traits like this will make you hurt any woman who sees good in you and keep you single. Vince Vaughn's character from The Breakup falls into this category too. Again not a bad guy, just treats his girlfriend like crap and has no clue. I cringe every time I watch that, seeing a guy ruin what he's got with a great girl.
shareA: It's a movie.
B: Tradition matters.
C: These tickets aren't exactly handed out in gumball machines.
D: They even discuss it in the movie, a relationship is a compromise, he has one passion, one tradition, and she can work around it, just like he can work around hers. These games are scheduled in advance, so if she wants time, she has plenty of ways to schedule it. Things like Easter are just dates, a Sunday is a Sunday. If the guy really has a multi-year tradition of seeing ANY sport without missing a game, then that should be respected as well.
E: It's a movie.
Um...no. Thanks for proving my point. This isn't just a movie. There actually are idiots out there who think its ok to treat women like this. Since you're taking his side, I have to lump you in with that group. If you are in a committed relationship, your girlfriend/wife ALWAYS comes first. The only exception to that (I believe) is your relationship with God, that comes above your relationship with other humans. And of you're so immature to make your girlfriend come second to a friggin baseball team (and I love baseball, but come on!) you shouldn't be in a relationship. That's what I'm saying. If you take Ben's side in this I'm sorry but you are a moronic man child who does not deserve to be with a woman. Seriously move out of your mom's basement and get a life!
share'This isn't just a movie'
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@op you are as much an idiot (using your own word) as Ben and others like him in real life are. You confess to the world without any shame at all that your god is above every other human on Earth, no matter what. That's real pathetic. And real selfish. And real childish. At least the Sox are real.
What you don't realize is exactly what you criticize about sports fans: you say that they don't even know they are bad people, unlike wife beaters who know they are a-holes, but you are just as irrational about your imaginary friend as fans are about their love of the game. You're BOTH crazy.
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A: It's a movie.
True
B: Tradition matters.
Yes it does but at the expense of someone you supposedly love?
C: These tickets aren't exactly handed out in gumball machines.
No they are not. To be fortunate enough to have near impossible to get season tickets is a blessing but not all games are equal in importance. 2 games out of first with 3 weeks left in the season in my opinion is not a good enough reason to pass on a trip to Paris. What an idiot.
D: They even discuss it in the movie, a relationship is a compromise, he has one passion, one tradition, and she can work around it, just like he can work around hers. These games are scheduled in advance, so if she wants time, she has plenty of ways to schedule it. Things like Easter are just dates, a Sunday is a Sunday. If the guy really has a multi-year tradition of seeing ANY sport without missing a game, then that should be respected as well.
Yes a relationship is a compromise but compromise means they both share in coming to an equitable solution. He wasn't very equitable. "A guy has a multi year tradition of seeing a sport without missing a game and it should be respected." I agree it should be respected just as he should respect her decision not to put up with it. These are choices we make based on what is more important to us. In this case, a baseball game over the girl he loves. Like she said, " just how far does this go?"
E: It's a movie.
A pretty humorous one and he was an idiot up until the very end.
At least he realized it in the end.
He's not an idiot. He's a fanatic.
You have to support the team. If you are not going to show up for all the games, then why should the team bring A-level to every game? They need to know you are there.
If some games are not worth paying attention to, the why should the team even try to win those games? You need to let them know that in good times and bad times, you are still there.
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While it's good of you to have such a strong opinion as to how Ben should have treated his girlfriend Lindsey, I think the point trying to be made in this movie was, that in relationships there is a division of self - the self who is a boy/girl friend and must be what the other needs and the self that still wants what you want. To put it more plainly: relationships need compromise.
Yes, Ben was immature, but I wouldn't say he was a "idiotic loser". He was learning how to be in a relationship and so did Lindsey. After all, if you recall, she centered her whole life around her job (just as Ben did the Sox). She didn't want to date him in the beginning because he was a school teacher - not a corporate moneymaker. And, going to Paris was about her job - not exactly a romantic get away- though in all fairness, she would've made it that way as much as she could. At any rate- both Ben and Lindsey had to learn that a little compromise goes a long way and that jobs and the Sox means little without someone to share them with. And I think that's just what the movie shows them doing.
Sounds as if you are very committed to your significant other - lucky for you both. But don't forget that you both had to bend a little to get to such a point.
"Good times, noodle salad"
JujusFlix,
I think you got it right.
The movie reminded me a little bit of "Pride and Prejudice". Maybe that sounds crazy. But Lindsey is like the prejudiced one against Ben's pride in his team. Eventually they learn to compromise.
I don't know what your "noodle salad" refers to, but it could refer to "Fever Pitch" in a way. Anyway, I thought the movie was good times!
Varnish
It's a freakin movie and it's really exaggerated.
shareThe OP completely misses the point of the story.
In Act 1 we learn that Ben is a fanatical fan due to childhood experience. He's long equated the Red Sox with family and this has skewered his ability to function as an adult and have a true adult relationship.
The movie is about Ben's gradual evolution (through his love for Lindsey)to expand his horizons beyond his fandom for the Red Sox and to give himself to another person. When he thinks he's lost Lindsey, he finally "gets it".
He might be kind of a jerk at the beginning but the point is who he is at the end.
I kind of look at this like the fanatical followers of English football clubs. Diehard fans who have tunnel vision and everything outside those lines get looked at secondary. As long as the woman is ok with that there's a relationship-maybe there's less than a sliver of women who put up with that. You have the U.S. Marines with their honor code of Unit-Core-God-Country as another fanatical example. Women that marry into military families recognize this. Art does imitate life.
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