was gacy a homosexuel?
I am not sure if he was one since he was married anyone know if he was a homosexuel?
shareIt was noted in this thread that a lot of serial killers were gay. It's a real shame, because it's easy to see how that could happen. It has nothing at all to do with gay people being sick/deranged, but rather people telling them this all their lives: Especially parents.
A lot of gay people have said that they can tell they're gay when they're like 5 years old. Mannerisms/behavior will come forward where the little boy will be acting more like a little girl. Not that the world is perfect now, but this would often lead to abuse, parents trying to beat the gay out of their kids.
Gay people can't help who they are: So if everyone you know is telling you that your some sick deviant and you're enduring abuse for who you are, surely this will warp you. In extreme cases, you become a serial killer clown...
So I guess what I'm saying, if there was less homophobia in this world, there would probably be less serial killers.
So I guess what I'm saying, if there was less homophobia in this world, there would probably be less serial killers.
Ermmm, no. Just ... no. I'm sure you meant that sympathetically, but frankly it's way off the mark.
For starters, it's simply not true that "a lot" of serial killers are gay, as people have claimed in this thread and you've implied.
The percentage of both paedophiles and serial killers that is gay is less than the percentage of the general populace that is. In other words, gay people are statistically *less* likely to be paedophiles or killers than the average straight person, by a considerable margin. It's just that the ones who are gay tend to get more publicity, and more sensational publicity, because both the media and the general public think it makes for a juicier story that way. People get off on the extra thrill of what's called "gay panic".
Plus, the average member of the public is extremely ignorant about sex generally, any kind of sex-related behaviour, because most of them have never had to question their sexuality the way most gay kids have to at some point. And most of them have never been challenged to justify, explain or defend themselves by the people around them; they tend to think that everyone is just like them, and anything that's not, just gets lumped in most people's minds into one big pot of "not normal". Most people still secretly suspect gays of being paedophiles, even when "some of their best friends" are gay, because that's what was always claimed for many years. But it's a complete myth, and close to 100% of paedophiles (for instance) are both heterosexual and related to their victims.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment. share
I'm not sure what you're getting at? Did you think I was implying homosexuality put you at a great risk for being a serial killer? If so, that's not what I think at all. With killers of this magnitude, it seems to be commonly linked to childhood trauma, and it would be quite traumatic to be gay and have homophobic parents. Spending your entire life thinking you're wrong for being who you are when that's not the case at all. Missing out on someone who loves you no matter what.
I'm not saying this and this alone generates mass murderers and I'm not saying a person enduring something like this will make someone become the next Gacy, sadly many homosexuals enduring non-supportive parents. I'm just saying, the beginning of this movie for example, is heartbreaking. Of course having a father like Gacy senior, you're going to end up a damaged person, at least on some level.
Did you think I was implying homosexuality put you at a great risk for being a serial killer?
Well, yes, to some degree, I did. Look at the last paragraph of your previous post: So I guess what I'm saying, if there was less homophobia in this world, there would probably be less serial killers. Who are affected by homophobia? Gay people. And you're saying homophobia makes serial killers, which must mean you're saying they're made from gay people. Honestly, haven't we got enough to deal with?! ;-)
With killers of this magnitude, it seems to be commonly linked to childhood trauma
Of certain kinds, yes, but most models suggest clearly that it's certainly not trauma alone that does it; people have to have other specific triggers in their psyches to push them over the line into killing -- being abused isn't enough. Ted Bundy, for instance, wasn't abused, at least in the sense that most people understand the term; his senses of personal identity and relationship were, though, giving him a sense of grandiosity and indifference, but underneath it a crushing sense of need. That sort of thing is more typical of serial killers than the anger and despair from being abused.
it would be quite traumatic to be gay and have homophobic parents
In my personal experience, yes it bloody is. More than a decade after my coming out to her, my mother still believes firmly that I'm a paedophile, no matter what I say, and won't even speak my name; if I have to speak to her, she just calls me "Pervert", like it's my nickname. But of course she's a loving Christian, so what else could I expect? And of course it makes me angry, though more commonly I'm in despair, but the only one I've ever tried to kill is myself.
But I was genuine when I said I believed you were speaking sympathetically. Most of my comments were meant to the thread in general; the statistics I referred to are from academic studies into sexuality and paraphilias; it was the subject of my assigned research project when I studied as a professional counsellor. Despite popular belief, and the impression created by the sensationalist foci of the "true crime" TV shows, the extreme majority of serial killers are heterosexual -- most commonly grubby garden variety rapists who first started to kill to ensure they left no witnesses. Those who kill for the sake of killing, driven by anger or trauma, are exceedingly rare.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment. share
100% sympathetic in everything I've said, in fact I got a bit teary eyed reading about your personal experience: I am so incredibly sorry you have to go through life like that. It's so heartbreaking when anyone things like that, but to put these sort of labels on your own child, I don't know how you can be so delusional to believe the "Christian thing to do" is belittle/disown/abuse/demonize your child. I hope someday it becomes commonly accepted that it's not a choice, that it's not some weird perverse kink that you could just stop if you prayed hard enough.
That's all I was saying is it's quite damaging to have a parent tell you that you are wrong your entire life for being who you are. The way this damage will manifest itself is a case by case sort of thing and serial killer is the very rare exception, your manifestation of despair and suicidal thoughts are no doubt far more common. I hope you've managed to find peace and love in your life in spite of a very difficult upbringing.
Thanks for your kind words, and for calling me delusional!
It's not delusion; that's my personal experience of Christians. The number of Christians I've met who are genuinely kind-hearted, rather than wanting to have the asserted moral authority to tell everyone else what's wrong with them and how to live their lives, I could count I think on my thumbs. And of course, Christians are the major source of cruelty and violence to gay people, and the major driving force behind gay teenagers committing suicide. How spiritual.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
At first I thought you were being strangely defensive, but now re-reading what I wrote, when I said, "I don't know how you can be so delusional to believe the "Christian thing to do" is..." I didn't literally mean you, I meant anyone. I don't know how anyone can think hatred and violence towards anyone is what God wants. My bad, I mean exactly what you said. I think it's a shame when anyone use religion as a vessel for hatred instead of love, sadly all too common. I wish more Christians made attempt to be more "Christ-like." Love Thy Neighbor... without exception. If we all truly cared for each other more than we cared for ourselves, we'd be in the Garden of Eden, Utopia. Instead it seems we're moving further and further from it.
So yeah, my bad, wasn't calling you delusional: Just those who use religion as an excuse for hate.