I think many people would unanimously agree The Second Renaissance parts I and II are the most disturbing episodes in the Animatrix. So what are the most disturbing and memorable images you’ve had of those anime features?
For me though it would have to be the image where the human soldier has his arms and legs torn off as he was being pulled from his mech. Coupled with his cries of help and his scream makes a very disturbing scene.
This movie disturbed the hell out of me. (For those of us who enjoy Trek on occasion, these guys are what the Borg would be IRL.)
The whole movie was disturbing, but IMHO, the most disturbing parts are the experimentation sequences in part 2. I mean, we're cut up, *still alive*, and tested on. No longer is the fluid in my veins my life's blood, nor the brain in my head the repository for my hopes, dreams and immortal soul...no, I'm hardware. Fuel conduits and an organic computer system. That feels pain. No more or less programmable than the machines are. And that's all.
I mean, seriously, just try and *consider* what it would be like to be stripped naked, shaved, cut up, probably still conscious and having someone examine you like I examine my 2002 Cavalier.
I can't.
"You blew up the Kobayashi Maru?!" -Captain Picard
"It blocked my view of Venus." - Cadet Calhoun
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I hope you don't really belive this is our future. Don't get lost too far into fiction.
But the point of being tested on does bring about a good point about our humanity. Our fragility. And how the human body is a machine itself (ironic really). How they could make the man laugh or cry. It was like seeing a robot laugh or cry almost. the man wasn't in control, maybe wasn't even concious anymore. And with the push of a button they could change his emotions.
I think the creepiest scene was the one where you saw the animals in the house, and you saw all of the animals blood and one was on the couch... a few seconds before the man-head-squish part. I think it was during the trial of that one robot. The whole dead animals thing haunted me.
It's depressing that the words "secret agent" have become synonymous with the words "sex maniac"
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from the start it was creepy. seeing all the robots doing man's work, made think not that we can become smart enough, but we can be lazy enough not to work and to take jobs away from people (I read some crazy scientists are trying to create robotic nannys!)
but then, the tank crushing the robot, the robot getting shot, the robot crushing the human, the soldier being ripped from the mecha, the tank crew, the robot woman being ripped to death, the robotic mass graves, the field hospital with the wounded.
the robot envoys getting rejected at the UN. it's not like they didn't give us a chance for making peace. they created their own society, and they did as they were supossed to do, be efficient, so they became a major economic power, beating humans on their own ground: not war, but capitalism.
those robots actually had feelings and concience. they resented humanity's treatment. they wanted to be free and live peacefully, and we coouldn't let them do it. it's not about your shape, or who made with and how, but it's the fact that you can think. if I destroy a coke machine I won't feel a thing. but the "robotic woman getting beaten" was disturbing because not only she looked like a human, she also acted like one.
garlic, crosses, sunlight, nothing works on you anymore (Al Bundy)
The men killing the robot woman. At first I was like "Huh, so the world is in so much disaray that men are out raping women" and then this guy hits her in the head and we see the woman is a robot. It was creepy, how it was like this robot trying to live like a human, but was brutally... killed?
share"For me though it would have to be the image where the human soldier has his arms and legs torn off as he was being pulled from his mech. Coupled with his cries of help and his scream makes a very disturbing scene"
Couldn't agree more! That scene gave me the creeps!
When the robot woman is being beaten, when she cries "I'm real!" or something like that, that really creeped me out.
And as most people have said, the head squashing part.
The guy being ripped out of the suit wasn't as bad for me as he was so small and out of focus I barely noticed what had happened to him.
Like some of you have said, pretty much the whole thing. Probably the most disturbing thing ive ever seen so far in my life, and its ironic that it is a anime cartoon.
A scary part that nobody mentioned yet was when you are seeing out of the combat suit, whatching another guy in one, shooting to the right of the screen. He looks over then CRUSH!, the tentacle things totally destroy it in a split second.
A little off topic, but remember the TransAir comercial in it? Thats where those engines came from!
I probably liked the Animatrix better than the Matrix trilogy.
P.S. I thought that Revolutions was great and I dont know why people put it down, but yeah, I agree, Reloaded was a little dissapointing.
Obviously the guy-torn-from-mech scene is pretty disturbing, but what really got me was IIRC at the end of part 2; When the naked guy is plugged into the matrix, and he is lauging and crying.
shareI think all you people are forgetting that ultimately the most sickening is the situation that humans present themselves, as the voice over put it "thus did man be the archietect of his own demise".
These things we are talking about (machines) although "endowded with the very essence of man" does not in a sence live. Through the war I guarentee that no robot was left scared of the situation that faced him.
Many people question the robot girl who got hammered in the face who said something to the description of stop i want to live. This responce is nothing more than a programmed responce, from what it believes follows it's rules set out in it's programming
What you must remember emotion has no relation to AI, these machines feel no pain, fear, cowardice, love or pride. These can be simulated through certain responces to questions (as in, "do you love me... yes". However feeling these emotions is what makes a human, a human. Feeling pity for these things is like feeling sorry if you run over one of those sony dogs (arn't they caled Ibo's???)
Don't get me wrong I am not a facist, racist or solisist. I believe in equal rights (not egalitarianism though!) and also am a believer in animal rights, but not robot rights.
Please excuse any errors it's 12:30 and am drunk!
Robot rights replys encouraged!!!!
I see your point regarding Human Emotions being too complicated for any programmed robot to copy, but somehow Rama Kandra from Revolutions is capable of showing emotions. These robots are capable of thinking for themselves, free of programming or maybe just programmed so intensely as to the point where they are feeling like us.
Remember the movie "Soldier" with Kurt Russel?
Kids raised to show no feelings in an environment, where anything less than machinistic (Yes, I made that up) behaviour would mean death from the "Fathers" to the kids.
So how we're raised by the people around us is like a programming, is it not? What then makes us so different from the robots that we are claiming incapable of feeling.
Everything we do is determined by our brain. So wouldn't hyperintelligent robots become capable of copying, maybe even cloning, the human mind. If they become capable of that, what would then keep them from being able to build individually thinking brains?
Maybe the robots in Animatrix and Matrix are incorporated with a robot-made human-like brain, which would mean that some robots would need to be raised. Maybe that is the reason why Sati is capable of being a child?
My point is, that in ous time it is extremely complicated for any person to understand the programming in a robot, which probably won't see "life" until a whole lot of years have passed.
O, and the mech scene scared the big-jesus out of me.
I hate humans as a species, because we seem incapable of respecting others when we lack understanding and ethics (Racism? Killing threatened species for money?).
Maybe that is why i really felt sorry every single time we undermined the thinking robots and killed them before and after they wanted peace.
Sorry for this long post.
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Honestly the first time I have ever seen anyone apologise for a long post! dont worry about it the whole point of this is sharing opinions that are more indepth that a sentance and a whitty comment (and the later is very rare on most posts)
Totally understand your point of our brains being under a Programme, written on our 'blank slate' of the brain, by parents, T.V., cinema etc. These robot Rules (like we read in Asimovs I robot) or programme (a whole network of ideas like Kubricks A.I.) do make cognitive thought through the robots brain and not unsimilar to the human. But I'n not sure they have the ability to say make a thought contradicting their programming, and even not specified in their knowledge. For instance it is perfectly reasonable to accept a self harming act of a robot to benifit a human, but what of an act that it doesn't understand, that the consiquences are not clear. Like a Goat equally distanced between two stacks of hay, it cant decide which one to go to. Humans have instinct, robots clearly don't. A robot would have to be programmed not nessessarily to choose one stack or it will starve (presumably), but to be programmed to make choices in life that don't follow logic, and that life and death choices are made every second of the day.
"So wouldn't hyperintelligent robots become capable of copying, maybe even cloning, the human mind." I'm really not sure, human allows free thought, which I understand is nothing to everyone else and everything to yourself, but a can't make a free and totally unbalenced opinion, weighing one childhood sweethearts love over a whole nations inhabitance lives, such disregard for statistics could not be copied unless programmed to or given such crude value system e.g. Life=1 Love=10 etc. And before you say it that is not what humans do, my belief is that humans are more passionate and maths is not the base language of the human mind.
Oh and please excuse the lack of film knowledge about soldier but I lost all faith in Kurt Russell when he refused to crop the mullet after the eighties!!!
Getting back to the point in hand the child you talk of in the Matrix, is a birth of the human system. The chain of human makes machine and machine makes program. This child who is a programme, is not specified as a product of Mitosis (a genetic or prgrammatic splice) or Myosis (a copy), but again I believe them to be survival orientating, both parents wanting to propergate and ensure their survival.
I agree that Humans are very despicable things, however I believe that everything happens for a reason and what we go through as people teaches us what it is to be part of a race. Oh and capitalism sucks, not because of the idea but because of what it does to people, it makes them money orientated.
I don't apologise for this medium sized post but do apologise for hijacking the topic of "the most disturbing scene" but this seemed much more interesting and thought provoking. Thirdly and finally I apologise for being Drunk on this post AGAIN!! I'm not an alchoholic but am starting to think I am!
Take it easy people!
Still capable of making relatively philosophical sense even though being drunk?
You're skillful no doubt.
Regarding the "make a thought contradicting their programming" robots with immense programming: Maybe 100 terabytes (Or whatever it is 1000 Gigabytes is called)worth of programming will include contradicting programming, which the robots are adapted into accepting. That would make the freedom of choice possible for these "Beings".
I won't try and comment on your opinion regarding my "So wouldn't hyperintelligent robots become capable of copying, maybe even cloning, the human mind." This is due to me not really understanding what you were trying to bring forth in the part of your post regarding this. Im sorry (I blame your "Being drunk" part ^^)
You're excused about the Soldier part. It wasn't Kurt Russell as an actor, but rather the message or theme of the movie.
I see your point, but that wasn't really my point about the machines. Maybe it was, but what i primarily meant was that Sati is a child and she is in need of everything a human child needs. I used the example of Sati to support my idea of machines copying human minds (Maybe they managed to do that when they experimented on us in Second Renaissance and no i'm not a 100% believer in the Matrix, but some theories and ideas may just be stuff for people to take notice of)
Machines and programs wanting to ensure their survival like humans also sort of supports the cloning minds. This is due to them feeling like humans.
Basically were left with theories of machines being programmed a HUGE amount or simply them copying what is already existing in us onto them.
I hope i didn't misinterpret anything.
Maybe the things we see and experience in life does teach us what it is to be part of a race, but in my book that still doesn't justify such a narrow-minded behaviour which a huge part of the human race shows towards others.
Since sorry is being said too little on these boards, I will now say sorry again for going off-topic like that, but this is more fun than simply stating the scenes that scared or freaked me out the most (Forgive me ^^)
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Well I though I would start on a positive note, I'm completly sober! oh and about that comment on being able to philosophise while drunk, I did philosophy as a uni degree and trust me being drunk helps!
Anyway back to the robot talk, while at my mondane work it hit me like a bolt of lightning, Robots are programmes and vice versa. Refering specifically to the film 'the Matrix' agent smith is a programme created by robots for what ever reason you may conclude. However morphius tells neo (in 'the lady in the red dress programme')about them being controlled by rules, and how they will never be as fast or powerful as he. This surely shows comparative difference when it comes to robots and humans, going the 'final mile' emotions wise and being able to forget a painful stich to break a personal best. I'm not going to go too much into the matrix but in revolutions, ins'nt that why Neo killed Smith, by personal choice and the ability to believe in something not wholly cognitive.
I know what your going to say, Smith evolved, allowing him to achieve all manner of human emotions (including a terible laugh!). The divide with this I suppose is whether you believe a human can be evolved from an ape or not. I'm on the side of not, I personally can't see how evolution can create a sence of consciencess from not being it. Relating this back to the point I don't think Smith was ever Neo's equal, because he was human, and he could choose 'to his mind' freely, which I doubt a robot could. I mean think of it trying to programme a robot to choose without refering to previous instances and events and purly on 'what it felt', I'm not sure what it would do but I know it wouldn't understand what you were saying!
The section which will probably be now known as the 'drunken part' is badly written, (must have turned to spirits!). The point I was trying to raise was that to make a judgement humans selfeshly think of themselves and what would benifit them. So if you saw to people drowning and one was your wife (just realised I am assuming you are a woman! appologies if you are!) and the other Albert Einstein, to think who you are to save is one thought too far for a human. I don't think any other human would blame the man for saving his love rather than a person who would potentially make the wourld a better place. For a robot however (can robots have wives?) I believe that the robot would do a complex equasion rather than rely on instinct (which I believe robots can't have). I then went on to say a method of calculating the equasion,
Wife + Love + personal need for her = X
Einstein + Benifit gained from him living + lives bettered or even saved = Y
I believe a robot would Choose Y, saving Einstein as it can look beyond passion as it has none to cloud judgement. Where as A human choosing X is acceptable as people understand how passion devoids poeple of all logic and reason.
Hope thats a bit clearer!
Ah I finally see what you are on about the whole coping the human mind and shoving it in a robot! True and like I said in my first post the film states that the robots are blessed with the 'Very essence of man' (what ever that is? any ideas?) And them capturing so many humans would only aid them in cloning a soul and mind of a human. I suppose you have to take a film on it's own merits and rules and believe in the film that these robots (even the quite vicious squid type things) have a heart and soul (I can just imagine the squid thing playing catch with it's son! ahhhhh....).
The strange thing is that I am a bit of a determinist at heart so I should be saying that our memories are a programme for our current modern day lives, but I feel trapped as I feel on a slippery slope towards robots being able to immitate us, (I also am a bit of a hippy so I like to think we are all capable of love and unique i.e. non copiable)! Oh well I might have to grow up and realise kids are having under age sex and that people don't really like each other!
Anyway, thats my lot, what to apologise about?.... sorry for being conservative (but i don't vote it, weird eh!) a hippy, and a philosophy student (they really do talk to much!)
Oh and people instead of making lists why not debate, it is fun.... Honest!
It all made perfect sense this time around.
I will be breaking up your post as there was a lot to comment on.
I think specifically in The Matrix + sequels that these limits were more or less the "Physical" bounderies (Sorry if i mispelled that), but i agree that you can draw quite a few parallels to the overall difference between humans and machines/programmes as their mind must be limited in some way.
But when they have been programmed a huuuge amount they must be able to reach the human cap sooner or later. Of course it is possible that there really is no cap, which is a huge difference between humans and machines. The rules and bounderies and limits possibly being non-existant when it comes to humans.
On the Neo killing Smith part. Im really rather blank on that. I believed that Neo was letting Smith defeat him in order for the machine mainframe to delete Smith, but im not sure of that much in the sequels. Its all speculation.
"I personally can't see how evolution can create a sence of consciencess from not being it"
That's actually a good point. I consider myself a pretty hard-core Darwin believer, but that sentence worried me a bit. But on the other hand that sentence brings more hope of an afterlife than Darwins theory.
I think that Smith was capable of thinking more freely than the other programmes in The Matrix, because he had been "Infected" by all of our emotions. He could taste our stench and all of that. Except when the conversation reached love. I believe he was in fact Neo's equal because of him developing emotions and the Architect/Equation boosting him constantly. But that was also a question and level of control. This is a little dificult. Was Neo even thinking freely? Was anyone in these movies ever thinking freely and for themselves? Are we thinking freely right now? Original? But programmes and machines was capable of understanding love (Apart from Smith and the Architect).
I now get what you meant about a robot/programme chosing beyond emotions and feeling when expected to make a choice. But a level of intelligence (Artificial?) where a robot becomes self-aware would just possibly make Rama Kandra (Robot) choose Sati (Love) above Einstein (Good for mankind).
The very essence of man may just be our self-consciencenes (Which i won't ever spell again), which makes us choose love above logic. A lot of humans in the real world would never understand this choice either. Therefore there is no reason to believe a machine would as they would also be individually thinking.
Again individually thinking machines is absurd and almost blasphemic in our society, but that still doesn't rule out the possibility of it being doable.
500 years ago the earth was flat and claiming it to be round would get you killed in an instant.
Nothing wrong with having those believes as that is what sets people apart from eachother and gives them something to discuss.
My turn to say sorry. Um... Im sorry for not being too much of a believer in spiritualism and everybody having a soul. Its not that i don't want to believe, but more that i need facts to be convinced.
O, and by the way. Im male... So stick with me saving my wife (Which i would naturally) ^^
Glad to see my soberiety helped my point get across easier!
I agree with you on the whole matrix thing about the two sequals, to draw any conclusions everyone seems to have to spectulate, infer and make educated guesses! However this 'Cap' that the robots could reach through ingesting humans (like we see smith take over Kane) i'm doubtful whether there is a 'cap'. It seems strange to limit the emotional knowledge a person can hold, but I do believe there to be a robot 'Cap' due to memory space and cognitive reason (which I know you believe a robot can choose to ignore, but I simply don't).
Glad to see I am putting the pressure on you Darwineers! (yes I made it up) It's about time that people scutinise science as much as they critisise religion. Don't misunderstand me I'm not religious in the Roman Catholic sence, but more of a buddist, free thinking, spirtiually minded, that sort of thing!
As regards to whether Neo thinking freely you are going three ways; '
1 Humans never free in the real world or in the matrix
2 Humans in the Matrix are not free, once you are out then you are free
3 Humans are always free to do what they want.
I'm pretty sure neither you nor I believe number three, and I'm pretty sure you believe in 1, Am I right? Anyway I think the problem is the definition of the word, Free. Is it a state of mind or a physical atribute. I don't believe it to be physical as we are not free to fly say, we are bound by the rules of physics, so in that sence we are never free. but I believe myself to be free, is that naive? acording to the matrix film it would say I am not but that is physically not mentally or is it....... I really don't know where I am going with this and seems I have lost my way in the converstaion, put it down to youth and inexperience talking sence!
I think we are at polar ends regards robots using instinct and emotions to drive actions. You believing Rama would choose selfsacrifice to save Sati (which almost happens when the Oracle gives up a nameless power to the Merv for the lives of the three). And me saying it would if specificlly programmed to do so would, but if not it wouldn't know what to do, where as Humans have instinct and ability to learn emotions and experience them, like them or dislike them. For example I don't think a robot would know whether to like or hate 'love', unless programmed to.
I understand your whole idea about the earth being flat, but remember there is a flat earth society! (based in Australia, where else!) that basically believes the world is flat. I hate skeptics but I don't like when people except things on face value, look deeper make up your own mind!
Well This times sorry is easy, sorry for a scatterbrained post, my mind really is quite tired from work! Anyway it's the week end soon, and I am going to a festival! Back on point, I think films like Bleade Runner (A film in my top 10) perfectly shows Robots will never physically or mentally be humans, only imitate things they do.
"he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
I think a human can reach the "cap" if ever there was a such. Even emotionally. Think about humans caught in the horror of war. Being forced to kill innocent people on a daily rutine, never knowing if this minute is their last. Im assuming this, as I have never experienced a war myself (Im only 19), that these humans are emotionally surpressed or fed up with emotions to were they can't take in any more (The "Cap").
Im in a bit of a pinch between 1 and 2. The laws of physics i don't suppose we can break (Not if we have to think realistic and modern anyways) but the man-made laws we can break, even though they are designed to keep potentially dangerous people under control. Man-made laws are guide-lines and nothing more, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a level of control.
We can't say we are free to live forever either. The society in which a human is living is also more or less a prison. Adapt to these traditions and manners or face the consequences, which often makes living in that area horrible (Shunned from society).
Naive? I don't think you're naive. Naive is such a superficial word, which can only be used when there is a complete lack of anything really explaining to use on a person. Just like evil. These words lack depth.
A robot today wouldn't really be capable of doing anything, apart from what we teach it to do, but who is to say that a machine/programme with the same initial programming as us (A little absurd i suppose you're likely to say)would be capable of thinking, feeling, deciding and showing emotions. Just like us. I know you will never agree with me on this, as you're a believer in souls and you would never believe in a machine having a soul or us having none (Im assuming of course and correct me if i'm wrong, please). Im basing our lack of soul on people being able to forget, loose perspective (Drunk? ^^) and forget vital things like memories if injured badly. I believe that all we are, is a bio-organism with a highly evolved cerebro (When I see some of the posts on these boards I'm occasionally brought to doubt regarding our intelligence though)
I completely agree (First time?) with the making up your own mind part.
There is a saying:
"Doubt is the beginning of wisdom"
This time around I am sorry for not agreeing and accepting without analysing, thinking and philosofying (How is that spelled?), but i simply cannot understand the people who accept the world, which other people lay out as the ultimate reality. Think for yourselves people (Soul or not, that IS what we can do freely)...
Im sorry, but i haven't yet had the pleasure of watching Blade Runner. I do find movies where you have to wonder and analyse fantastic and I will be seeing this some time soon.
Thing is can anyone explain why humans have emotions and how they form with out bringing a god into it? And if indeed we were created by another being/s
does that give them the right to do with us as they please.
When I Saw The Secong Renaissance I was nearly sick,They Scenes that stick in my mind the most where the following
1.Robot Crushing Man's Brain
2.Female Robot Being Battered
3.Human Experimentaions (That was just sick)
4.Little Kid Bit
5.Guy Being pulled Out Of Mech (Ouch!)
I've just realised when the female robot is getting attacked about it saying "No, please!" and "I'm real!". I thought that it was someone in the crowd that shouted out "No, please!" but my DVD played it with the closed captions and it said WOMAN: No please! I never heard the woman say "I'm real" before hand and I have watched this about 20 odd times.
Those two lines make this scene even more disturbing than it already is.
For me the most disturbing scene was when the robots send representatives to the UN and the humans attack them (and possibly kill them) when they were unarmed and there to try and make peace. There and then you realise the human had it coming...
sharewow!!, alot of people on this board need to get a hobbie or something.
shareFor me, it was the brain crushed out of that lady's head. I didn't find anything else disturbing other then that.
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B1-66ER deserved to die he had no right to just out of the dark come out and kill his owners im glad they took him out
the creepiest scene well these scenes didnt actually scare me they just gave me an erie feeling but the one scene that gets me is when that one soldier was ripped out of his mech I mean damn that just damn it really got to me, the scene where the robots were experimenting on the humans omg it was just damn completely disturbing i mean to see the human race slaves to experimentation and no more free live action for us omg that is just scary, and he scene where that kid goes and finds that his parents have been taken as Agents thats just a scary emotional scene.
That one scene where that robot chik was gettin beat at first I was disturbed bu after the girl was revealed as a robot i didnt care too much I mean if its a robot it aint got no soul and even if it was feelin that robot is a "robot" it can be rebuilt and fixed it can be upgraded and made to live for maybe forever humans cant.
But yeahj maybe all in all the humans were the primary reason it got started
The Robot experimentation on humans was a twisted collage of imagery. The fact that we were opened up and still alive, conscious, and aware was just utmost shock. and later when i see these needly, insect-like machines crawling over them like spiders wrapping up and binding flys in thier web, it was a powerful sequence.
and as for people saying robot can't think, feel, or experiance emotion. That's current technology. If you forcast current stimulus/response algorythms for a future robot, then you're not getting a "self aware" thinking machine.
BUT
If you take a bunch of stupid things, like neural cells in our brain, and you link them together, you get what's called emergence. These dumb "cells" organize themselves and reallocate, redirect, and recognize patterns. basically it's like a colony of ants, a single ant cannot survive long on it's own, instead it's a part of a colony. the colony itself thrives and "thinks" when there is no central government, things just fall into place. Economies, societies, ecosystems are all emerged systems, being lifes forms of thier own.
A self conscious robot would be the same way, having small cells that are completely predictable in and of themselves, but when you try to map the dynamics of two or more of these "cells" you get random results and results of adaptation to random events. Hence free will, a non-preset choice. Adaptation and prediction is said to be "intelligence", while Self awareness is the next step, which implies "consciousness". There are currently studies on neural networks, which try to emulate the neural networks of the human brain, in a more simplistic form of course.
It's a grey area between philosophy and science. Machines reflect mankind, and humans are a reflection of God. Will machines one day make a creation of thier own that is a reflection of itself? "how deep will the rabbit hole go?"
2nd time I watched it, I fast forwarded past the mech soldier body ripping scene
but otherwise,hmm, for some reason I think the scene where they announce the plan for "Operation Dark Storm" was really disturbing. It's the look of fanatical/desperate/hysterical joy on their faces. Plus you know that it doesn't work out. All it does is completely screw EVERY ORGANIC LIFEFORM ON THE PLANET
i think what's so disturbing about 2nd Renaissance pt 2 in general is that it sort of traps the audience
on one hand we're horrified to see human lives/souls wasted doing battle with mere machines
but then you think, the machines have souls as well in this story. which just shows how we still consider other lifeforms inferior
the whole thing basically shows us our hypocrisy through our suffering
The two stories explaining how the machines got to power, are very interesting I think, but I have to agree completely with the starter of this post. When I hear Animatrix, I think of that poor soldier trapped in that mech and crying for help. I only hope he got killed very quick (as you can see I do find the scene very touching).
As for the robots, smash them up! Killing millions of them is absolutely no problem for me to watch. It's only when people start enjoying beating them up it gets sick. Don't get me wrong, I love animals, but robots are lower than animals, they're just tools and if we don't like them anymore, do with it what you want.
well, i think the creepest thing in this movie, is not the images and "archive" footage that we see, but the stuff we imagine will happen. like, you wonder if something else happened behind the gun cameras and the news anchors. you see this guy getting ripped outta his mech, but then, probably millions of others got it worst. the scenes of desperation were the most frantic and disturbing, for example, the soldiers in the trenches loading up on steriods and drugs (the girl shoving an automatic needle into her arm). Another disturbing idea/image is the lost of sanity. All the soldiers become savages because the tactics that humankind has learned in modern wars are almost devoid of effect, examples: the mechs are trying to retrieve each other with covering fire, the guy calling for an airstrike, and the tanks. but for my most disturbing image would have to be the part where all the infantry and mech units are praying and getting ready for a never ending war. it's like the calm before the storm.
shareThe most disturbing images is humans lost the war........how could humans lost
when we got all of the finest military equipment in the world. Come on, it's a combined force damn it. Let's see, we got the Americans, Russians, Chinese, Germans, so on and so forth..........how many people in this world? A couple of billion people should and damn well will wipe out the Machines.
What I really didn't get with the 2nd Renaissance was why the humans only resorted to nukes and Operation Darkstorm. Haven't the Wachowski's thought of EM weaponry? They were all electronic anyway... I still didn't get it.
BTW, I found the android woman beat-up scene to be the most disturbing.
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