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Questions and spoilers ahead - What did the ending mean?


First of all my wife and I enjoyed this film it was lots of fun.

We think that John was on the other world at the end, or 'The other side' as Neely called it. That is probably why all the suitcases were opened when he woke up in the desert. You open your suitcase when you arrive...and all those others had arrived with him. Also, his luck changed after the incident in 'The Big Empty' (desert), he was out of debt, he got a part though not the lead, he and Grace were together and he finally saw grace as beautiful, agent Banks made up all the excuses for him to tie up loose ends and start over. Both he and agent Banks have that band-aid on the back of their necks. Grace said he had been in the desert for three days, to him it must have seemed like one night. And most of all after he kisses Grace and bowls that last frame at the end his eyes turn from brown to blue right in front of us. Graces eyes are also blue now in the bowling alley (earlier they were not blue), the same stunning shade of blue as Neely's eyes were at the beginning. John now has the #11 bowling shoes on (the cowboy wanted him to put them on) and he is at lane 11 at the alley. After the 10th frame Grace said they were starting another game. John says he had never bowled two strikes in a row before. What that all means beats me, the fun now is figuring it all out...assuming there is something to figure.

Only problem was we were left with a lot of questions TO figure out. I hope one of you has some answers.

-Neely had that neck brace on when we first meet him. Later his head is cut off...or was the brace holding it on in the first place? Or was the brace to hide something about his neck, maybe to protect it.

-Why did Neely feel he would die for raising John's fee to 27K+ instead of 25K? He even pulled on his neck brace like he knew he would lose his head for it.

-Volkswagens seemed to show up, likes John's Volkswagon bus, the junkyard full of mostly volkswagon beetles later. Maybe it represented for John getting rid of his old volkswagen (putting in in the junk yard too) and starting new.

-Was Ruthie really from the other world? Stella (Daryl Hannah) said she had been found in the desert and was adopted by her.

-The color blue played an import role, blue eyes, blue sweatsuits, Blue cases, blue blowing bowl at the end.

-References to Hawaii seemed to show up a lot too...perhaps a reference to our concept of going to 'paradise' as the cowboy described the other side. Stella's dream was to go to 'Hawaii'. The hotel was 'The Royal Hawaiian' and all that.

-What was the significance of the circle. John used a circle to represent a new head shot for himself. And the circle of suitcases in the desert. The Indian also had the paper with a circle and Johns name in the middle.

-The cowboys neck noticably changed in front of johns eyes during the circle scene. Another neck/head reference.

-The cowboys reference to his job never being done. Perhaps there were so many people in need of leaving 'the big empty' or their empty lives to start new.

-The bowling bowl going out into the desert at the end as yet another flare goes up into the sky. I guess the Cowbow was continuing his work.

-The sky drawn in the umbrella John used at the end of the film to walk out of the desert. Looked like the umbrella Ruthie used earlier in the film. Did Ruthie leave it for him.

-At the beginning Neely asks John what his shoe size is. Evidently it is size 11 since that is the size on John's bowling shoes at the end. The same size shoes that the Cowboy gave to Ruthie when John didn't want to put them on at the circle. Later he IS wearing them. Ruthie had also put on size 11, since they were the ones he turned down and the cowboy threw to her. At one point I thought that Ruthie was taking John's place amoung those leaving. She seemed happy to be getting the shoes meant evidently for John. And she even thanked him for her being there.

-Why did John and agent Banks have those bandages on their necks? Another neck reference like the neck brace on Neely and seeing the cowboys neck change in appearance.

-What was in each of the suitcases? Perhaps it was what each person needed to start life over. For John it was the money he thought he needed to begin a new life by getting out of dept.

Anyway, it was a fun movie and we enjoyed it. I hope some of you may have some thoughts on the meanings to what we listed above or on the movie as a whole. I know very well I am asking questions and have few answers.

Oh yeah, I loved that music during the end credits 'He was a honky tonk maniac from Mars' !!!! Very catchy. BTW it was also playing earlier in Grace's apartment when John stopped by to say he was going to the desert.

Mike and Elaine


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First off I have to say this was a great movie, and I was really hoping to see a bit more discussion on it here, as it really is a movie that begs to be taken apart and discussed. A lot of symbolism as you mentioned. I have a few questions of my own.

One thing that really makes me wonder is what was the significance of the bandages on the neck? I would have thought that maybe it was a sign of those who had come into contact with cowboy, but the first time we meet Grace she already has a bandage on her neck, why?
(Edit: I missed it the first time but Dan tells John he heard the aliens are stealing sperm and eggs to make a master race and that they can extract eggs from a female through her neck (and i assume males too?). Which explains the bandages.

When John first arrives at the motel Elron tells John that Cowboy was just there, and left to go to the bar, he said he was "parched". Then the first time we meet agent banks (which is at the bar) he says he is "parched" as well. Obviously two people could use the same word, but it does seem a bit strange.

When or how did Grace change or "go to the otherside"? Where did Ruthie come from? Maybe her parents went to the otherside and left her behind? Is there any meaning in the cowboy and indian names? I could go on and on... but I won't. It really is a movie that can't be taken all in on one viewing, I'll have to watch it again sometime. Anyway, hopefully when it is released on dvd later this month more people will get the discussion going... until then I'm going to try to figure it out myself.

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now has the #11 bowling shoes on (the cowboy wanted him to put them on) and he is at lane 11 at the alley. After the 10th frame Grace said they were starting another game. John says he had never bowled two strikes in a row before. What that all means beats me, the fun now is figuring it all out...assuming there is something to figure.

there were some more more references to numbers. His hotelroom has number 111. And just before the end when agent bamks is talking to him, in the background there is a clock signaling 11:11. Although I consider myself not to be a total moron, I just can't seem to figure out what it symbolises. Is this just one of those things a the director did to mess with the viewers head or does it actually mean something?

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My guess to what # 11 means is this: In bowling there are 10 frames, but in the 10th frame you roll an extra ball, or an 11th frame if you will. That's the extra chance at life Gracie talked about before John rolled his blue/green marbled ball, his world, and then he was about to get another chance at life. In the alternative ending version, after John rolls the ball, Cowboy picks it up in the desert and holds it for a second, and it's the earth as seen from space. It makes that easier to understand that that's a little world.

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Another 11 person checking in. Same thing with me and my girlfriend - we see 11s all the time. Just watched the movie last night, on 5/12/05. Add it up and it equals 22 (5+12+5), or, 11 doubled, i.e. 11:11.

Coincidence?

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I realize that our posts are almost a year apart, but I have just seen this movie.

About 11, 111, and 1111--if you have not done so, google "1111" and read some of the sites there.

There are apparently many of us who constantly see 11's, 11:11, 9:11, and so forth on clocks, license tags. My cell phone number (not picked by me) ends in 111. My professional license is 10110. Recently, I was behind a couple at the check-out in Wal-Mart, and their purchase total came to $111.11. And it does mean something.

In the movie his room number is 111, bowling shoes size 11, 11:11 on the FBI clock, even the movie's title has 11 letters.

I only responded to your post. Why, I may never know. But maybe you are part of a special 11 group.

Enjoy !

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yeah it means something. i ate 11 cookies watching this movie. i laughed 11 times. i said it sucked just as many. i think there are only 11 people in the world that liked this movie. i heard it made only eleven dollars and showed up in 11 theaters. there are definately cosmic forces at work here... all 11 of them. i am going to wait unitl 1:11 to submit this.

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hah.. look at the actual time you submitted it at. :P

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pwnt;)

All your base are belong to us. There is no mainstream.

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I'm reading this 11 years after you wrote it. Here's a screenshot for proof. http://imgur.com/a/zrVFt

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I watched the movie last night. Today, I was volunteering as a radio operator at a fund-raising event, and my assigned callsign was SAG 11.

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I think your right about this being a fun film. I just got a chance to see it and it was wonderful. You raise some really good questions, I only can think of one. Was there some significance to the fact that the clock and the telephone wires were cut when John Person first got to the hotel in Baker? Just curious. Anxious to hear what you think.
~J~

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I think that disconnected clock and the telephone mean John's loneliness in his previous life. His voice mail without any messages all the time, room almost without furniture - it's all The Big Empty.

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My boyfriend has some kind of weird connection with 11:11
Like he (actually, both of us) always seem to notice 11;11 on the clock, whenever it occurs.

Shabbalaba!!!!!!

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time to setup that damn broken clock then ;)

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http://userpages.umbc.edu/~gcangi1/11.html

that site talks briefly about the Doorway of the 11:11. its an interesting thing to spend some time researching if you have time. i've only just begun learning about it myself. basically deals with ascension.

i thought it might pertain to this movie though, seeing as how there were some definate references to 11.. and even 11:11.

very good movie.. i enjoyed it toroughly from start to end.

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What did it mean when John's eyes turned blue at the end when he threw the ball? Had he became some sort of super human/alien or an alien or did he have powers of some sort that could shift bowling balls through space?

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look at the guy in the background. look familiar? "

I remember seeing that guy. (I thought his hood was a little too bright...)
I didn't pay much attention at the time though.

I'll be honest... This movie confused the hell outta me the first time I saw it. But now, after reading everyone's comments, I'm really psyched (Lack of words...) to see it again.


-Kat

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That's a good thought. I never thought of that. Ruthie also could have been left behind when her parents went years ago. That's why she never belonged.

The ending with to bowling ball rolling in the desert reminded me of the last part of I think Men in Black when aliens are playing chess or something with all the planets. It just represents how small Earth is in the whole grand universe - really, the Big Empty. The huge desert could have represented that. I think they should have left the alternate ending in there where Cowboy picks up the bowling ball. I "got it" more when I saw that.

So I guess the fact that John was about to bowl an 11th frame represented his start in his new life - hence his eyes turning blue.

As far as Neely's head....I think he was an alien the whole time. Maybe his neck looked like Cowboy's did at the end (when it changed in front of John) and he wore the brace to cover it up in public. Why they killed him, I don't know. Or like someone said, maybe he knew he was in trouble and wore the brace to try to keep them from cutting off his head!

I really enjoyed the movie. I loved all the symbolism. I loved the actors and thought they did a wonderful job. Especially Daryl Hannah as the calm person in this crazy town and Sean Bean as the mysterious Cowboy. Yum. Who knew there would ever be a gorgeous british alien hooker-killing cowboy in our cinema? :-)

Only thing I would change is Joey Lauren Adams. That high pitched voice and bad acting SOOO gets on my nerves. The only time I liked her was the last scene and she was supposed to be creepy then! I hated her when Cowboy had the gun to her head. That stupid "oh" noise she made was so fake! Who else but a horrible actress would make that noise when a gun pointed at your head is cocked? Crazy fool!

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I agree with almost everything you said. Including the alternate ending being left in. Only thing I slighty disagree with is Joey Lauren Adams being taken out. I admit my choice is biased because she is a hottie and I've loved her since Chasing Amy and even in Bio-Dome(in a smaller role). But other than that it's all good.....LOL

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I really liked this movie, especially Sean Bean :-) Someone mentioned that he/she wished the alternate ending had been used. I do too. It made more sense to have the cowboy bowling the ball, which looked like Earth.

Also, I noticed that Grace had a band-aid on at the beginning of the movie, so I wondered at the end if she had already been "affected" and maybe was part of the whole set-up to get John to Baker? That would make sense because she is the one who finds him wandering in the desert, at which point I think he's supposed to be on the other side. Just speculation, though.


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Mallrats too, actually pretty much any Jay and Silent Bob movie.

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Don't forget Joey Lauren Adams was also in "Dazedand Confused"!!!Thats where I saw her first,with that goofy little girl-ish voice she has .I noticed that she kind of toned it down for this movie.
I got this movie feom the dollar store,of all places.I've gotten lots of interesting movies there,stuff I would otherwise miss.Now if only I can find a copy of The Sunshine Hotel,I'd be elated.Loved,loved.loved the Big Empty!!!!!Jon Gries was excellant.His quirkiness was so natural.
A favorite scene is when John first goes in to his motel room,and there is a twinkie on a paper plate sitting on his bed.This makes the movie for me,I kept thinking about that scene for days,just to envision Jon Gries' character going in and sitting that there to welcome Jon Person-I wish they could have filmed that,would of been HILARIOUS!!!!

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So did anyone else notice the fact that Grace has a bandaid on her neck at the start of the movie before anything else happens? Strange but interesting flick. :)

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That bandaid on grace's neck was very omnius to me when i saw it also. and i think the ending meant. just like he was offered the chance in the desert to go with them, at the end when he picked up the ball and accepted to shoot the 11th fram, it was his way of finally accepting the invitation and thats why as he was standing there finally have accepted his "new game" his eyes turned blue. then he bowled and the camera went to the desert and showed "cowboy" pick up the ball and send it back out into the desert, kinda like him starting it all over again with whoever they pick next. well thats my take on it, and i question it now that i've read all of your guyses theories. but all in all it left me very confused and disturbed..but great movie

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the ending was whatever you want it to mean...thats so great about this movie...i mean i chose to look at this movie in many different views and got many different interepetations...its a great movie and no one thing has a definite right and wrong way to interpet...i caught a lot of things in this movie and watching multiply helped alot...but if you want some things to look if or when you watch again go to the post "Favreau and Adams' BLUE EYES at the ending"...and go down till you see mine...i must warn it is alittle long and starts to get rambling but it is when i first saw the movie
here are some more: the T on the motel flickers(its like the cross but the head part is missing)the hotel guy(elron) has a necklace on that is in the shape of a T
ruthie(hot cowgirl) has a bowling ball necklace(a cicle like a head or egg or whatever)
candy (hooker)takes off her wig(her disguise) much like at the end when grace takes down her hair and takes of the glasses
notice all the colors, clothes, numbers
the dialouge has many ways of interepting it
such as when the hoocker and many others refer to john,"you look good" ot "you're a goodlooking man" you can take it as face value(they are just really telling him you are handsome) or could they mean you look like a good man...i've watched this both in looking at in an alien way, biblical, and alittle of both...anyway its lots of fun to try my hand at make cool interepations for things that are within this movie..
oh yeah notice the orange cones..the placement of red on ppl
hats covering the head
american flag
the logo on the blue jogging clothes
lamps(always in between ppl)
cowboys and indians
the truckstop in baker where jon goes is in between las vegas and los angeles(him wanting to be an actor in LA(an where grace is) halfway to sin city)

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