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7 Questions about this film


Just some questions about the plot holes in this movie. Contains Spoilers.

1. Why did the girlfriend change the benificary when she was planning to fake her death to collect the insurance.

2. Why did that Paul guy end up with the suitcase of money.

3. Why didnt the girlfriend just leave with the money instead of setting up an elobrate scheme.

4. Was there any reason to frame Denzel for the murder.

5. Why did the girlfriend beat herself up.

6. Why did she shoot her husband.

7. Why did a film with a good performance from denzel washington, suck so much?

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Every one of your questions is very valid and introspective. The mob money seems moot since she had already fooled everyone about her death and her husband was the original beneficiary of one MILLION smackeroos. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to reason that Paul wasn't needed in the plot for any of this. With the insurance money a sure thing, it makes changing the beneficiary, Paul being involved, her needing to leave with the money (or even convincing the chief she needed it for that matter), framing the chief for the murder, beating herself up (what purpose?), and shooting her husband (splitting a million isn't so bad) all seem pointless. Maybe shooting her husband fits, since he beat her so much and she hated him anyway. With a mind like mine though (simplistic and naive), I still let myself get involved and on-edge throughout, and thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Good points you brought up!!

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Some answers about the plot holes in this movie (SPOILERS):

1. Unlike a lot of things in this film, this actually makes sense. Drug money in the hand is worth a lot more than pipe-dream insurance money that wouldn't even come through once the suspicious nature of the fire was revealed (which was in about five minutes). In other words, there would be no actual insurance money to anyone--she was not planning to fake her own death to collect insurance money, she was planning to fake her own death to frame Denzel Washington so he wouldn't be able to come after her to get the drug money back once she bolted without him, if he in fact ever figured out that she was still alive and had conspired against him and lied about the cancer. So changing the beneficiary was central to getting away with the drug money.

2. This makes no sense no matter how you look at it.

3. Again, to set up Denzel Washington to make sure he couldn't come after her/them.

4. Yes, as explained above. Denzel had many means at his disposal to come after them. He could do it on his own, without telling people he had been fooled, even--just track them down and take it. Or he could even come clean about what had happened to his superiors, despite the fact that he would be in some trouble for giving her the money. If he was angry enough, he wouldn't care. The couple would certainly get in more trouble for their elaborate fraud/fake suicide/arson/stealing of drug money than he would get in for giving it to her. At worst, he'd get what, kicked off the force and become a PI? Anyone who thinks he'd get jail just for messing with the evidence locker doesn't know much about the police system in this country.

5. Supposedly to convince Denzel the husband was evil, explaining why she'd want to run away with Denzel in the middle of the night. It raises an even bigger question, though: Was the husband ever beating her up, or was it, as one must assume, ALL a show for Denzel? If it was all a show, your question #6 is even more difficult to answer. Her character is so badly done, as is the husband's--were they totally brilliant schemers, or total psychos? She certainly seems like a psycho in the end.

6. See above. He either really was a jerk she was all too eager to kill, or she just wanted one less partner. Or something. Bad, bad, bad character development.

7. Sadly, this question has no answer that can make you feel better about this film. Despite Denzel and the movie's attempt to be more "adult" in tone and characterization than your average Hollywood schlock, it's pretty lame.

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> Drug money in the hand is worth a lot more than pipe-dream insurance money that wouldn't even come through

Fortunately, they picked a pretty dumb insurance company. They went ahead and paid off the million dollars to a beneficiary who actually shot and killed the policy owner (according to official testimony from the beneficiary's wife, Alex). In reality, of course, it was the beneficiary's wife that killed the policy holder. And, this is the second time in a week that the policy holder has been declared dead. Plus, the Chief has just been declared the new beneficiary a couple of weeks before "he" shot her. I would think that this strange situation would trigger about a hundred investigations at the insurance company.

> 3. Again, to set up Denzel Washington to make sure he couldn't come after her/them.

There was no reason at all to do that. The chief gave her the bag of money for her to go off to seek treatment. She would have had plenty of time to disappear with the money before he became suspicious. If she wanted more time, she only needed to send a post card or email once in a while saying that she was doing better.

There was no rational reason to set up an elaborate murder scene with fake insurance papers. They probably could have sold the house for a few hundred thousand dollars, took the chief's money, and been very well off.

> Or he could even come clean about what had happened to his superiors, despite the fact that he would be in some trouble for giving her the money.

"Some" trouble? That would have been the end of his career. He stole evidence in a crime and then just gave it to a woman that he was having an affair with. If she just took the money and started a new identity somewhere outside the US, there is no way that the Chief could have tracked her down on his own.

Plus, by the time he did track her down, she'd have spent or hidden the money.

My question is,

8. Why would Alex tell him to turn the money down? The insurance company investigated the situation, found nothing they objected to, and then paid him off.

Here's what I'd do. I'd cash the check and put it in CDs or something. Then, I'd tell Alex. Look, I won't touch the money while we are married. As soon as you run off again, then I'm taking the money and having a big party.

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it all makes sense, exept 2. question.
Like beeing written before, all the plan was just for Denzel to get drug money to the girl. They commit "homicide", and Denzel gets caught. And the couple+Paul is happy with 500'000$. Girl beated herself just for framing her husband - he is the one who planned this, he made me do it, i am a victim etc. And Denzel also thought this way until she wanted to kill him and get the money.

To sum up, movie is ok, but it seems to bee cheap and not well prepared and done.

It looks like a some kind of TV series not a movie, do you agree?

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2. Why did that Paul guy end up with the suitcase of money.

There isn't really anything to explain here. They probably just gave it to him to keep it away from the police when they came after them, as they have absolutely no evidence he was involved at all. If it weren't for Denzel finding the pen, they would've never found him and would have probably just questioned him instead.

5. Why did the girlfriend beat herself up.

She was crazy. Her husband never beat her up. He was just in it for the money and it was to be split 2 ways. It was all to make Denzel think Chris was the big bad guy and she was the innocent one being dragged into it.

6. Why did she shoot her husband.

Again, she's crazy. She wanted the money all to herself, and she couldn't care less about her husband.

7. Why did a film with a good performance from denzel washington, suck so much?

You can't expect him to win 'em all.

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"The LOTR remark is pretty wrong actually :)

1. Gandalf doesn't have the strenght to face Sauron face-on, and a wizard on an eagle would definetly draw the attention of the 200.000+ evil beings in Mordor :)

2. Gandalf doesn't trust himself near the ring - as he says himself "I would use it with the intent to do good".

Now, if you would please read the books as well as watching the movies you wouldn't need to be explained these reasons. :)"

Wow... I better just shut up before I hurt someone's feelings.

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The LOTR remark is pretty wrong actually :)

1. Gandalf doesn't have the strenght to face Sauron face-on, and a wizard on an eagle would definetly draw the attention of the 200.000+ evil beings in Mordor :)

2. Gandalf doesn't trust himself near the ring - as he says himself "I would use it with the intent to do good".

Now, if you would please read the books as well as watching the movies you wouldn't need to be explained these reasons. :)

Back on topic - Out of time.

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Paul was needed because he was the fake doctor. presumeably ann had arranged to pay him and her husband some of the money, and perhaps was afraid of them cos they were violent. when denzel took the money back she had to lure him to the boat by pretending her husband was violent.
that answers 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.
1) she changed it to denzel so that he would thinkk "ok ill give the drug money and then get the insurance money back when she dies to replace it"

7) it didnt suck. it had good perfmormances from all, great sets, and eva mendez *s*

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1. Why did the girlfriend change the benificary when she was planning to fake her death to collect the insurance. To make Denzel look like he killed them to collect the insurance money.

2. Why did that Paul guy end up with the suitcase of money.Some kinda way he conned the couple,he was probably supposed to meet the or something....

3. Why didnt the girlfriend just leave with the money instead of setting up an elobrate scheme. cuz her husband knew she has it and that had everything planned out already and she figured she just let him help her with the scheme then kill him in the end.

4. Was there any reason to frame Denzel for the murder.yeah so they could get away with the money and no one would think there was foul play.

5. Why did the girlfriend beat herself up. To make denzel feel sorry n think the husband did it.

6. Why did she shoot her husband. So she can keep the loot all to herself.

7. Why did a film with a good performance from denzel washington, suck so much? It didn't

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I think the problem with this movie is common. In order to keep the audience guessing, the writer puts in twist after twist. But if you think about it afterwards, it no longer makes sense.

To say that Whitlock just 'tampered with the evidence locker' (as someone did a few posts ago) is ridiculous. He stole the money. The con in the film is premised on the fact that Whitlock will do that when he learns that Ann has cancer. This is an extreme assumption on the part of the con artists. What if Whitlock had just walked out of the doctor's room, not taken the pamphlets about the Swiss treatment, and not thought of stealing the money - which he did without any prompting? Ann making him beneficiary does make him stealing the money more likely, and this makes more sense than framing him. But if she survived - which was the whole justification for stealing the money - then he would receive no insurance money and couldn't replace the money he stole.

As to the framing, it was more accident than design. The fact that he was spotted at the scene was coincidental. The evidence of the affair - including the insurance policy - did not necessary implicate him in murder.

I think the film would have been much better if there had been more work put into the plot.

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"But if she survived - which was the whole justification for stealing the money - then he would receive no insurance money and couldn't replace the money he stole. "


That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean, Denzel is so lucky this bird didn't have cancer, decided to burn her house down and fake her own death. Otherwise he would end up in jail as soon as the DEA agents found out about the theft.

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> But if she survived then he would receive no insurance money

No doubt. I mean, "Guess what, honey? They cured me! I should live another forty years. Isn't that great? And, I have some more good news. There was $2,000 left over after treatment costs. Here, you take it."

Oops!

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Why did the girlfriend beat herself up. To make denzel feel sorry n think the husband did it.


So this would mean that she took advantage of Matt [knowingly] of Chris occasionally being rough with her? Or was that an act?

Because from the short scene they had together from Matt's point of view, they argue a lot, but to actually cut her up like that in the face? That's far fetched; I would of immediately found something suspicious. Too bad he didn't see it/catch on.

Like someone said, it was probably all for show and they were just a loony couple.

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