Don't know how anyone can like this

I watched it because i was interested in the plot and from what i heard the characters, the gore had no part in my interest. I still consider this one of my favorite films and keep it in my dvd collection. It is a piece of art, gory or not.

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I thought the gore and violence was too ridiculous to take seriously. The effects were horrible, and the plot was just silly.

This film is actually a criticism of exploitative and overly violent cinema, such as the films you just listed.

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The only movies that should be watched dubbed are Italian movies like the Sergio Leone/Clint Eastwood Dollars Trilogy or Django (these movies were filmed silent with actors speaking their native languages - numerous dub tracks were made in various languages). Other than Italian movies, something is definitely lost when you are not listening to the actor speaking in their his or hers own voice.

Although I will say that I wish I spoke Russian so I don't have to read the subtitles for Tarkovsky movies - he often has characters speaking in long monologues and it is easy to miss what the character is saying if you're not 100% engaged. That being said, I couldn't possibly imagine watching his movies with an English dub track. The sound of the Russian language just fits those movies so well - you're completely changing the movie if you remove the Russian.

If I remember correctly, there are a couple of lines of English in Ichi the Killer - you would loose this in the dubbed version, I imagine. Movies like Breathless (which has an American character speaking French) or Band of Outsiders (another movie with a couple lines of English dialogue) also illustrate why you should watch movies in their original languages.

The more foreign language films you watch, the easier reading subtitles becomes.


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I'm sorry, but what? This is a truly ignorant statement.

Not that I don't respect other people's opinions, but seriously? The reason people say foreign movies are better than American movies is because it's mostly true. I'm a born American. And as much as I love American film, foreign films are so much more gripping. (For the most part)

And I honestly don't understand people who say they can't watch a movie with subtitles because they don't want to read, they just want to watch a movie. I've always found it very simple to follow the subtitles and still watch the whole movie. You can easily do both things at once. It's not as if you have to focus on the words and miss the action.

I, myself actually watch most movies with subtitles. Even all the English movies that I understand and have seen before. I like it much better with the subtitles, so that I pick up on every little detail. You'd be surprised how much you can actually miss without them. I know a lot of other people who do this too, but of course not everyone would enjoy that.

And I agree wholeheartedly with the Captions being better than Dubbed movies. I absolutely cannot watch a movie with an English dub. It's dreadful to watch a movie where some other person is reading the script, and it's not that actor's voice. The person reading cannot capture that actor's emotion and it sounds so stupid.

Anyway, everyone's entitled to feel how they want. Just my opinion in the matter.

In all fairness, is Takashi Miike really the "gore master"? A lot of his more famous films (Audition, Visitor Q, Box etc.) aren't really that gory at all - but disturbing on another level.

it doesnt have much, but i think youre forgetting some very important scenes if you think audition has no gore

Vinushka, how is having your foot sawed off not gore? Or for that matter, what about when Asami cuts off her dance teachers head? Visitor Q, well having sex with a dead girl, murder, beatings, rape, not gore? The only film of his that I can think of that really did not have much gore was One Missed Call.

Sorry about my spelling, it is not my strong suit. =)

Yeh I don't disagree with you there, Irreversible is more disturbing, even though it has less gore, it is more psychologically traumatic. That infamous felt like it would never end, the camera was so perfectly positioned, almost like you were a voyeur in which you could see the expressions on the girl's face which was almost unbearable to carry on watching throughout.