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Why Simon wouldn't be able to kill Sasha...


Simon was able to kill the people from the parallel universes and eat them in order to survive. However, when we see him holding Sasha he looks as if he had aged decades. He would need water to survive. Where would he get the water needed to survive? Blood is a lot thicker than water and wouldn't work as well.

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Maybe he entered to one of those 'time rooms' where he aged a lot in minutes or seconds? And then he left the place, and found that room with Sasha and Kate... aaand you know the rest. :)

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doesnt matter, blood has water in it...

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Yet we all know that you can die of dehydration in a desert.

So the time advancing room theory is the best one. Although, the movie as a whole doesnt stand up too well to intense scrutiny, so maybe its better not to ask.

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dude, dont u get it? simon did spend 5-10 yrs or so... but not in the conventinal manner, his body and mind aged, yet physically no more than seconds had passed..., same thing but worse happened to the suitcase and the general in the beginning, that time wall is what made this happen, maybe simon passed thorugh it but a midler version




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nope, no more than seconds had passed one one side, years on the other. it wasnt an ageing trap it was literally a time trap. the op is right and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, the guy would need water and he wouldn't be able to get it. also murdering people isn't as easy as is suggested in this movie, he'd end up dead after a few succesful attempts only, he wouldn't make it through years. this was one plot-holey movie, but I don't give a damn, it was great.

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Yeah I had some further thoughts about this movie. The time trap where the briefcase goes rusty. And it kills people. There are two opinions about this trap
(1) It is a time trap, time moves faster on one side compared to the other
(2) It is not a conventional timetrap, it is some sort of device that accelerates ageing oxidation etc.

There are problems with both of these hypotheses. Firstly the nature of a device that BOTH acceleates human ageing and the oxidation of metal seems a bit far-fetched. What sort of technology could be involved, I don't mean the science behind it just the concept. Also Simon Grady says after he has been stabbed in the eye, and then aged, "you have no idea how long I've waited for this" indicating that he has been wandering the cube for years, when only a few seconds have passed for Kate.
Secondly moving from one side of a time barrier to another shouldn't actually kill you. From the fast side you'd just see the people on the slow side as if they were frozen, and on the slow side the fast side people would simply disappear, ie they'd get bored and move to another room after a few minutes (equating a few milliseconds on the other side).
HOWEVER if you had one half of your body on one side of the barrier, and one half on the other you would just die, your legs might go through 100 years in a second for the other half of your body, and that wouldn't be very pleasant.
So different rooms being at different time speeds is ok, but passing through a barrier is not. What might happen is that as soon as you enter a room the whole rooms time is speeded up, which means that you are not passing through a barrier per se.

So I'm more inclined to believe that it is an actual time trap rather than some sort of ersatz ageing trap.

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The situation in the room with the "time wall" is explained in the behind the scenes portion of the DVD - it's supposed to be two cubes passing through each other, one from the future merging with one from the present. Odds are it is in fact just two versions of the same cube, with the room's future state replacing the present one. Technically, I suppose this could be seen as a trap, but it's more the natural workings of the hypercube than a purposeful method o' slaughter.

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This is a reply to the op does it really say how long he's been in there....maybe he's just filthy or something...he could've been in there a month or so maybe a few more... and have you heard of urine..lol desperate times call for desperate measures and he's already eating humans why not drink piss to survive...his hair change could be just months of not cleaning
A month is still a long time to wait to get revenge...but unless it says somewhere that he's been there for years than i missed it

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Escalade: Urine is toxic. Regardless of the water content in urine it is toxic to us eaters and drinkers. Blood would be the perfect option for me, since yes it was pointed out that blood is thicker than water but in a world of infitite possibilities, theres also an infinite amount of Jerrys.

Sorry Jerry

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You are repeating an urban legend that could cost you your life if you ever end up in a survival situation. Drinking urine is taught in some (but not all) survival classes. It is not toxic. It is not an ideal fluid because of the salts and other compounds. Here is a discussion of the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia

Similar mythology surrounds the imbibing of sea water. Again, it is not ideal but when imbibed in small amounts it can extend life. The problem with it is that extremely thirsty people often drink too much, promoting a salt overdose leading to kidney failure.

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Maybe Simon was in the middle of taking a dump when a time trap hit and couldn't pinch it off in time.

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exactly, he doesn't just age in fast forward, it's a relativity problem. Basically he went through months or years to him in just seconds to her.

And yeah, I thought it was odd that he managed to kill so many people with that knife, and then she actually manages to take him out relatively easily.
Somewhat inconsistent.

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still a great movie though

my ymdb page: http://www.shompy.com/steppenwolf/l42849_ukuk.html

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I have less of a problem with Simon's rapid aging than I do with Max and Julia's deaths. Seriously. They die of old age while having sex?

In other instances, it's seemed like some of the rooms exist in relativistic time compared to others. In other words, more time passes in one room than in the other. But whichever room you're in, by your own clock, you're still moving in real time. If the room Max and Julia were in worked that way, they would literally have had to have stayed in there, having sex (in midair for some reason) for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. This would have seemed like many decades to them.

The other hypothesis would be that you age more quickly in that room, even though that much time doesn't appear to be passing. But they were in there for a while before they started getting it on, and if the room worked like that, they would have noticed the effects.

The only other explanations are that the room works in the second manner, but speeds of aging speed up and slow down arbitrarily. Or that it works in the first manner, and there was some kind of poison gas in the room. Whatever.

There are very few movies that do time travel well. This movie has it's moments, but it doesn't make the list.

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They would not notice they were aging. Only an observer, looking through a door would see them as aged and dead. Time would appear to move at a normal rate for them. this was carefully portrayed when they show Max and Julia entering the room. Each observes themselves as normal, but Max looks like he is moving slowly from Julia's perspective, and Julia seems to be moving fast from Max's perspective.

This is classic relativistic information. The most often used example is a person leaves the earth at a high rate of speed. When they return they are the same age as their children. Both they and the children seem to be aging normally based on their own observations.

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Simon was able to kill the people from the parallel universes and eat them in order to survive. However, when we see him holding Sasha he looks as if he had aged decades. He would need water to survive. Where would he get the water needed to survive? Blood is a lot thicker than water and wouldn't work as well.


You're not serious, are you? Humans are something like 70% water. I'm reminded of an episode of the original Star Trek where an alien intelligence addresses the Enterprise crew as "ugly bags of mostly water."

My mind knows not the state of tiredness

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As a fan of this movie, I would go with the theory that Simon went through one of those time rooms. He did eat all of those Jerry's and possibly Rebecca's, so maybe that's how he managed to survive. Maybe the time wasn't as long as some imagine. It was revealed that Kate was in the cube for less than 7 minutes.

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But Simon was wearing all those name tags on lanyards around his neck and lots of watches on his arms, implying that he's been eating a LOT of people in order to stay alive and taking souvenirs.
So it is possible that he could have gone through some normal time too.

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the human body isn't supposed to be able to process blood. He would die of dehydration unless he had a cat's bladder or something.

another cube could've passed through the room where those kids where having sex and aged them prematurely like that general dude. Otherwise it doesn't make sense, they wouldn't be ****ing till they dehydrate.

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"the human body isn't supposed to be able to process blood. He would die of dehydration unless he had a cat's bladder or something."

You don't know what you're talking about. Blood is mostly water (~92%), and water hydrates you (unless it's mixed with something that specifically counteracts the hydration process such as an excessive amount of salt, e.g., seawater). Furthermore, raw meat is mostly water too (~75%); in fact, most food is mostly water, and people get most of the water they need every day simply by eating food. Even foods that are normally thought of as being bone dry, like saltine crackers (~4% water), still have water in them.

So, for example, if you eat 2 pounds of raw or lightly cooked meat (muscle tissue), you've consumed 3 cups (24 ounces) of water in the process.

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