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STOP comparing 'Emperor's Club' to 'Dead Poets Society'!


I am so tired of hearing people accuse "Emperor's Club" of being a rip-off. It isn't. Both movies are set in all-male boarding schools; the comparisons should stop there. Both are great films with completely different messages. "Dead Poets" is about a teacher's lasting influence on his students, but "Emperor's Club" is about the student's impact on the teacher. "Dead Poets" is about the Transcendentalist idea of seizing the day, whilst "Emperor's Club" is a film about honor and integrity.

There is SO much more to "Emperor's Club" than people give it credit for. It's a film about moral ambiguity, both in Hundert's exploration of Brutus' character in "Julius Caesar" and in his own semi-romantic relationship with a married woman. When Hundert literally "crosses the line" by changing Sedgewick's grade, it seems to be the right thing. He's giving Sedgewick a chance, right? Wrong, because it comes at another student's expense. The ends NEVER justify the means, EVER, because you can never know for sure what the ends will be. Years later, Sedgewick was still a jerk who was willing to cheat his way to the top.

However, this isn't a film about how Sedgewick was a jerk. Hundert himself is very flawed. On both of the "Mr. Julius Caesar" occasions, rather than publically call Sedgewick out, Hundert chooses to ask a question that he knows Sedgewick will miss. Isn't this, in and of itself, a form of cheating? Hundert takes full blame for not teaching Sedgewick about life's consequences: "I'm a teacher, Sedgewick ... I failed you as a teacher."

This movie is deep, very tightly written (with early lines coming back into play late into the film), and surprising in it's biggest, yet most realistic plot twist (Sedgewick didn't change, after all). It's a wonderful film.

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Yeah, stop comparing them; The Emperors' Club is better.

Boycott movies that involve real animal violence! (and their directors too)

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dee-travis, I agree with every single word you said.

I have loved this film from my first viewing of it, and I actually felt Humbert's pain and disillusionment with both Julius Caesar scenes. I also loved the way Bell's true character was exposed in the final moments, even at such great cost.

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The Emperor's Club is a work I love neither because it is sugary feel-good nor manipulatively maudlin. I love it for its detail, for the exploration of the pitfalls of difficult choices, and most of all for the promise of Martin Blythe the 4th at the end and his father's unspoken message of redemption for Mr. Hundert. That end sequence always breaks me down, no matter how many times I watch the movie.

This and Dead Poets Society are not comparable in subject matter. This is more memorable and strikes deeper.

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I just watched both the Emperor's Club and The Dead Poets Society for the first time within the last week. The Emperor's Club is better. I thought The Dead Poets Society had too many exaggerated stereotypes.

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