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"what the problem is" is racism


Racism is racism, no matter what race it's against. "National Security" is a movie which, apparently unwittingly, makes a hero of a horribly racist character, namley Martin Lawrence's. Half of the lines, it seems, involve his character bashing Steve Zahn's for no other reason than that he's white. When he's not doing this, Lawrence is victimizing himself based on the fact that he's black, usually knowing full well that he has hardly been wronged at all.

Why is this seen as acceptable? Not only is the movie offensive to whites, but I would imagine it would also be offensive to blacks as well. What kind of an example is the Lawrence character setting? He's basically saying that it's fine to lie to people and use your race as a crutch to help you get what you want while leaving others in the dust (or, in the case of "National Security", in jail).

Now, before anyone gets upset, let me just say that, yes, I realize it's a comedy and that I should probably be taking this more lightly than I am. I also realize that, given the historical perspective, white people abused the basic human rights of blacks for literally hundreds of years, and that a movie like "National Security" could be seen as white people just getting a tiny, tiny bit of their come uppance (or something). But, come on. Had the races of the two main characters in "National Security" been reversed, this movie never would have been made. The writer would probably have been suspected of being a Klan member.

Am I being too harsh? Am I missing the point? Or am I completley right, and is "National Security" just a really racist movie? Help me out here.

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What are you hoping to accomplish?

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What am I hoping to accomplish? To be completley honest, I'm not sure. All I know is that when I was sitting in the theater watching this movie I felt incredibly uncomfotable. Why is it currently acceptable to berate a white man for being white but not a black man for being black? Isn't it racism either way? If the reason we don't see white people making fun of black people based on their race in the media any more is that the media-creators are afraid of being branded as racists, then why do they allow black people to make fun of whites based soley on their race? Isn't that just as racist?

I don't know. I guess I'm just trying to bring up a point that I think is interesting.

P.S.- happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

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Because in America today it is illegal to be white. I know. Im white.....




I'm going to go and get some popcorn, you want anything?

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HAHA....IM SORRY THAT'S SO FUNNY !!! IT'S TRUE THO...PEOPLE TAKE THINGS WAAAYYY TOO SERIOUSLY...IT'S A COMEDEY MOVIE, INTENEDED TO MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH !! JUST TAKE IT EASY, DON'T EVERYTHING FOR FACE VALUE, ALL THERE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH A LITTLE, YOU KNOW ISN'T THAT WHY ALOT OF PEOPLE GO TO MOVIES...JUST TO GET AWAY FROM REAL LIFE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, IT'S ALL FOR FUN. IM NOT RACIST AT ALL...I JUST DON'T TAKE STUFF LIKE THIS TOO SERIOUSLY...

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Well put, though I may be wrong about the movie's message.

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Good posting. I couldn't agree more with the original postee.

Martin Lawrence's blatant racism in this film was very unpleasant. Ok I've read people say that this most cops are racist blah, blah but in those situations the film makes the racist out to be a repugnant character or that in the end they discover some kind of moral redemption.

Lawrence had none of this. His racism was celebrated and meant to entertain.

Ok the film is a comedy but had the same sentiment and words been spoken by a white person against blacks the film would have been vilified and caused an outrage. It certainly would not have been deemed funny or entertaining.

Yes the film is hardly ground breaking and likely to have zero impact on anyone but it still represents a backward step in the face of society's attempts to integrate.


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Actually, I think the movie is pretty racist, but in a different way -- you've got Lawrence's character taking advantage of a situation that many black people actually DO face (racial profiling, police brutality) and turning it into some sort of joke. It's almost like crying wolf -- because Lawrence's character is lying about being brutalized, it takes away the authenticity of other cases of police brutality. Yeah, I know it's a movie and all, but a lot of people get the real world and movies mixed up -- particularly if the movie is telling them what they want to hear ("Oh, those black people are really overreacting about this police brutality/racism thing! Just look at Martin Lawrence in 'National Security!'"). Maybe if Steve Zahn's character actually were a racist or there were other cops in the movie who had some racist tendencies I wouldn't be as bothered. In fact, if Zahn's character were a Klansman or something, the movie might have turned out a lot better. Think of the comedic possibilities (OK, maybe not).
I'm not bothered by the "reverse racism" of Lawrence's character -- let's face it, there are a fair share of racist cops out there (probably in the same proportion as racists in the general population, to be fair).
Still, I thought it was funny in (very few) parts, but not a film I'd wanna see again.

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You bring up a good point about the "crying wolf" of Lawrence's character possibly detracting from real police brutality cases, although we're probably taking this way too seriously. All I know is that this was a movie about race, and at the end I felt as if neither race represented had been represented either well or responsibly. Making Zahn's character just as racist as Lawrence's might have been interesting, and probably would have made the movie much better overall (or at least more memorable), but then again it might also have made it less of a buddy comedy and more like "American History X" with badges. Hm.

To be fair to the film, though, I did appreciate the fact that Zahn's girlfriend was black, and that he didn't make a big deal out of it. There was the possibility for a lot of crude "interracial relationship" jokes, but I thought the movie wisley held back on that front, and it actually made Lawrence just seem that much crazier; you know... showing that not all black people are as wacky and racially minded as his character is.

By the way (sorry, this is getting off topic, but) how did Lawrence make so much money? I mean, for a guy who makes "$180 a week" patrolling a soda factory and who constantly talks about growing up in the skids, he sure had a nice car and nice clothes. Maybe he's just very thrifty with the groceries.

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Talking about racial slurs in the movie. Didn't the Eric Roberts's character referred to Martin Lawrence's character as a monkey ? I live in the caribbean and from visits I have made to the USA I have found the white american to be very arrogant and they think that they are superior to every body else and maybe that is one of the reasons they are so hated all over the world, not because their country is prosperous but because of their attitude.

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There is a difference in comedy between racial jokes and comedy. As a white person, i enjoy white racial jokes by black comedians. I also enjoy Chris Rock and Martin Lawrence movies, and this movie was horrible. I was disappointed at this movie and I had no expectations in the beginning. But there is a difference between jokes on how uncool white people are, or even the Wayans Bros jokes on white people, and the blatant racism of Martin Lawrence's character. The statement "interracial relationships are only bad if the guy is white" has no humour to it. I hope Martin Lawrence does not agree with these horrible opinions, but he did advertise this garbage to the public and set a pathetic example. To add to it, recall the beginning when it started with Lawrence seemingly break into his car: he should have had to show his liscense and registration to the cop, all things aside. Situations like that with only white people involved are the exact same, and everyone should respect a cop. Calling a cop a "f*&%ing pig" to his face is a crime, deal with it. This was a sad movie and a sad day in racial relations. Please leave the reverse racism out of movies and stick to comedy.

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I think Dumbsweater makes a strong point.

Racism is defined as descrimination based on race, *not* the descrimination towards other races by white people. In other words, Martin Lawrence (and many other black comedians) making a movie that continuously makes white jokes is just as bad as a white actor making an entire movie that is nothing but jokes at the expense of blacks. Can you imagine a movie by a white man that was nothing but black racial slurs? The protests and outrage would be incredible - from all sides of the fence. I don't think that many would support a movie of this sort.

In an age when we are so focused on moving away from racism, movies like this are a real step backwards. Is it really necessary to constantly make jokes and point out that race issue? Okay, racial profiling and other issues along this line ARE a present issue in the world today, (although I think races from the Middle East have more to worry about than blacks in this post September 11th era). Are movies like this really the answer though? What do they accomplish? All they do is attempt to widen a divide which has actually become much less of a problem in the past centuries, and is still shrinking if you think about it.

Getting past the offensiveness of these jokes and movies, wouldn't they have gotten old by now, even -if- they were funny in the beginning? Honestly, if they were the underlying theme of a movie that would still be a problem, but at least there would be something else to change the focus a bit. But, all of the movies that go along with the race theme are NOTHING BUT racial jokes - nothing. Every minute of the movies seems to be "you're black and I'm white, isn't that funny?" Take that movie out and put in the next one and it's the exact same thing, except perhaps with a different setting.

I've seen better plot twists in pornos.

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give me a break. You get all bent out of shape when a black man tells it how it is. But when a white person talks about another race its perfectly fine. Its just a movie for crying outloud. And for your information im neither white or black. And we will leave it like that because it does not matter.

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In response to Dark Gengar's post: What???

I can sort of see some ideas in there ("National Security" represents the real world, Martin Lawrence is simply "telling it like it is", and racism is a real problem for real people) but for the most part I don't have a clue as to what you're trying to say. Use some more punctuation or have your sentences relate to eachother; maybe that will make your argument a little stronger.

As for your comment that "people are getting upset over a movie that reflects the real world"... what movie are you referring to? The one in which a van plummets a hundred feet onto a convieniently placed barge and the occupants don't recieve so much as a scratch? The one in which a police officer accused of a scandalous racial hate crime gets sent to jail for a mere six months (including extra time for punching a prison guard)? The one in which characters outrun a fireball in a tunnel? The one in which the owner of a junkyard looks like a super model? If so, you have a pretty odd view of "the real world".

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OK...MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE HARSH BEFORE, I MEAN YES THERE ARE ALOT OF RACIST JOKES IN THIS FLICK...I HATE RACISM...IT'S JUST CRUEL...BUT I DUNNO...I GO TO A MOVIE TO MAKE ME LAUGH...MAYBE IM JUST THE CRUEL ONE WHO'S ACTUALLY LAUGHING AT THESE JOKES...

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I think we all understand that this film was made to make people laugh, but I think what a bunch of the people on this thread are trying to say is that if all the racial jokes had been reversed, would you still be laughing?

I have to agree that a lot of the jokes in this film aren't really that funny, mostly unecessary, and more insulting than anything.

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