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What are the similiarities/differe nces between N/S.Korea?


I dont know anything at all about the Korean history, so i was wondering if someone (preferably somebody who is Korean) could please clear some things for me, as i'd like to learn abit more. I basically wana know that, what do South and North Korea have in common, and what sets them apart, i.e,

- Do they spoke speak exactly the same language?

- Do they both follow the same religion?

- Do they have the same culture/traditions, etc?

- Were they both a united country at one time? if so, then when did they get divided?

- Presently what sort of enmity is between the 2 countries? do only the govts hate each other or do they oublics share the shame feelings?

- How are these countries relationships with other surrounding countries such as Japan, China. Have they ever been to war with these countries or been invaded by them?


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What cave did you just crawl out of?

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The cave of cultural understanding

you know, the one next to cultural insensitivity ... that one was already too full.

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To put it simply - no difference other than political and social. It is pretty much like Germany used to be before the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

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To put it simply - no difference other than political and social. It is pretty much like Germany used to be before the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

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thnx for your info. i watched this movie, and didnt know much about their history. I was thinking that they would be enemies coz they have different religions, culture, language etc, such as is the case in Pak-India or Palestine-Israel etc, but i guess its not the case here.

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:O Do you even live on Earth?
Ok, sorry. Most of the facts people gave you on this board are totally wrong. You should really refer to a real historical site. Also, India-Pakistan aren't enemies because "they have different religions, culture, language etc." Pakistan was India until about 50 years ago. They speak the same language, mostly Hindi, but since the partition, Pakistanis started calling their language Urdu and developed a new writing system to cut off ties to India. There isn't much cultural difference between the two countries except for regional and dialectal differences, and whatever differences they've acquired in the past 50 years as two different regions. The biggest difference is the religion, with Muslim majority in Pakistan and Hindu majority in India. That was one of the root causes of the divide.
As for Israel-Palestine, the root cause was Zionist need to get their own land after the Holocaust. There are significant language and cultural differences there, with Israel reinventing Hebrew as a spoken language and making up new traditions (essentially taking some Palestinian food and tradition and calling it Jewish.)
Most of these divisions happened as a result of WWII and Western colonialism. Korea was definitely affected by both. You might not realize it but this movie is pretty anti-American imperialism. Essentially, after WWII it was the Russian and American influences that divided Korea.

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"- Do they spoke speak exactly the same language?"

Yep...up until 1950 they were the same country so up until that point their entire history is exactly the same.

"- Do they both follow the same religion?"

The south is largely a capitalist democracy, so their religion is similar to the US with more of a slant toward Buddhism than Christianity. The North is a Communist country so they don't really have a state sponsored religion...Karl Marx was less than fond of religion which he thought of as "the opiate of the masses"...I've no doubt individuals practice their own religion but they're drilled from infancy to see the state as borderline gods. They literally have strange stories that their great leader was almost a messiah when he was born, complete with "wise men" foretelling a great occurence, they think their original leader isn't really "dead" he was carried off by a flock of birds and is "sleeping" in his tomb. Since outside media is illegal and this is what all the kids are taught from the time they're born, I've no doubt many honestly believe it.

"- Do they have the same culture/traditions, etc?"

Pretty much, at least up until the north invaded.

"- Were they both a united country at one time? if so, then when did they get divided?"

Yep, Korea was just like Japan or China, one single country and people. They divided in 1950 when the North invaded the south, the US stepped in to help (and actually nearly got their asses kicked, the North literally shoved the entire southern democracy down into about one little area at the ocean), after tens of thousands of deaths the line was drawn pretty much in the middle of the country.

"- Presently what sort of enmity is between the 2 countries? do only the govts hate each other or do they oublics share the shame feelings?"

They're at war, so yeah there's some tension :) they currently have an Armistice which is basically a "cease fire", but there was never any official declaration of peace between the two so TECHNICALLY they're still at war with one another. This will hopefully eventually end like the Soviet Block did, the North is a treacherous neighbor and has made no bones that they either want or actually HAVE nuclear weapons. And Kim is just nutty enough that I could see the guy honestly using them. He's already threatened that he can "turn Seoul into a cinder", which would be sort of the equivalent to New York getting hit with a nuke.

"- How are these countries relationships with other surrounding countries such as Japan, China. Have they ever been to war with these countries or been invaded by them? "

China is one of North Korea's closest allies, they were the core reason the North almost took the south, the US had sent some men thinking the whole thing would be a sort of policing action, got a few thousand men over there and suddenly they got attacked by around 500,000 Chinese soldiers...here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sJ1R58pQTs&list=PLF922FF87BD79B393&feature=plpp_play_all

That's a playlist with a pretty good documentary, it's about 45-60 min's and gives a good run down...should get you an idea. :)

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thnx for the info man!!!

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One point:

The North didn't almost kick our ass. The Chinese who intervened on the North's behalf almost kicked our ass. Before the US intervened, the North pushed the South to the Pusan/Busan perimeter. The US landed in Incheon (practically next to Seoul) and on the Eastern side of the country (forgot the name and the battle, but that battle was bloody). The US and allied forces (people seem to forget that some 20 odd U.N. countries were involved on behalf of the north, though the US provided 85% of the fighting force) pushed the North all the way to the Yalu river, which is the border between the Korean Peninsula and China. Everyone thought the war was over at that point. Then, on behalf of the North, China (heavily supplied by Russia) used the human wave tactic to drive the UN forces all the way back to the Pusan/Busan perimeter, in effect losing all the ground the UN forces captured. It was a shoving match from there. The UN pushed back, the North pushed back, and finally the demarcation line was drawn on the original border between the two, the 38th parallel.

On a side note, it was after WWII when the 38th parallel was drawn. Basically, the Russians were entering Korea from China, much like the Russians did in East Germany. We wanted to stop the Russians from advancing, as we feared the Russians could use the peninsula as a staging area for an eventual attack (in 1945, there were some trust issues between the U.S. and Russia) so essentially a guy in America, who knew nothing about Korea (or where it even was for that matter, he had to ask his aid where it was) drew a line on the map effectively separating the two Koreas: the North belonging to Russia, and the South belonging to the US (UN). The North, specifically Kim Il Sung, created a communist government, while the South chose to follow the Western world and create a capitalist government. Talks of unification didn't go well, and in 1950 the North invaded the South.

All pretty tragic considering the Korean past of occupation by the Japanese (from 1910 to 1945, when WWII ended). Level-headed Koreans I know all say Korea had that coming, though, if Koreans would only remember the history of trying to invade Japan several times and failed. Still, tragic how much this country has been through in the past 102 years.

"You keep calling me Walter. I don't like you," -Rorschach

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On a side note, most military historians today agree that the description of 'human wave attacks' about the Chinese is inaccurate.

Like the NVA, the Chinese strategy revolved around the concept of localised concentrations of force. The Chinese were a light infantry army, and, in hilly or mountainous terrain such as covered most of Korea, this gave them a considerable mobility advantage against armies that were more tied down to heavy supply lines, like the UN were. The Chinese understood this, and used their superior mobility to bring about defeat-in-detail of more heavily-equipped UN forces.

'Human wave tactics' also imply numerical superiority, which the Chinese People's Volunteer Army in Korea didn't have. In the 1950s, China was still recovering from the destruction caused by the Chinese Civil War, with the result that a force which outnumbered the UN was one which they wouldn't have able to keep supplied.

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Did not know all the little nuances, thank you! I do remember hearing about this one especially bloody battle (can't remember names, but I know it was after the initial landings on the Eastern part of the peninsula) where I think I just misunderstood terms/tactics/etc.

Essentially, one night, the UN forces all heard a sound. Horns started blaring, men screaming from all directions, and all of a sudden the Chinese were there, wave after wave, taking many UN forces with them. It was early on, so maybe the Chinese thought these scare tactics could drive the war in their favor. I don't know.

"You keep calling me Walter. I don't like you," -Rorschach

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Wow, epic fail of a question.

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smart ass. You must be so smart holdek01

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Well I know the difference between North and South Korea. Jeeze Louise.

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ok some people did get few things wrong up there so I am gonna give the real thing.

1. Yes they do speak the same language, but depending on the region, it has some dialects. It does sound like a totally different language sometimes, but yes they speak the same.

2. Hard to say. Korea is like 30-40% Buddhism and nearly all the rest Christianity of all sorts. NK doesn't really have Religion, but really the so called Dear Father Religion is only believed by very few rest are acts because if they don't believe at it, they will be shot for treason against the 'Republic'.

3. Mostly yes. But North has been undergoing lots of brainwashing education towards the people thought now many don't even listen to it but any traditions are basically the same.

4. yes, they were unified(but there were few divided periods, but wasn't about Communist and Capitalist thing)). Up until 1945, Korea was under Japanse Control but than as soon as the liberation after the Japanese surrender at 8/15/1945, the Northern side of 38th Parallel was taken by the Soviets, the South by the USA. So Korea was divided at 1945, not on the behalf of the people of Korea but due to the Outer World Powers.

5. Public of SK and most of NK are mostly friendly towards each other, since we are the same Korean. It's really the Extremist that hate each other, in SK the ones that hate the 'Commies' and in the NK the 'Wall Street Capitalist Puppets'

6. Both NK and SK are hostile against Japan due to Dokdo(or Liancourt Rocks) and the East Sea(mostly known as Sea of Japan) issue. Also, there are the Japanese colonization period from 1910 to 1945 which has been very very brutal period in the Korean History. Also, both SK and NK are friendly to China, and both of them are aware of china at the same time. They know they are not trustable, and they're growing power is a big danger over the hostility of Nk and SK. SK was attacked by Chinese Forces during the Korean War, and Both Koreas were in war with China and Japan for many times in the past when they were together, though most invasions were turned down.

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