Major,major Story flaw


The film begins with nazis killing tibetian monks and trying to steal the scroll.2 big, big problems.

1. In 1943 (when the scene takes place) , Tibet was under the British India empire and was separated from India only in 1947 (along with pakistan, afghanistan, bangladesh,which were muslim dominated and burma) when the british were chucked out of India.

Now for there to be Nazis in what was then British territory (the crown jewel of the british empire as Hindustan was known), right smack in the middle of WW2 (in 1943) and have them brazenly parading about in platoons in the himalayas while the Brits did nothing is a stupid notion fraught with historical innacuracy.

2. The Nazis had their whole school of thought justified by the fact that they were aryans (sanskrit for noble)and hence were raccially superior to other peoples.
Hitler always propagated India is the Aryan motherland and origin, and also took the swastika (sanskrit for su;good + asti;is) from the original aryan religion, hinduism-come to india and you'll find atleast a 100 swastikas in the 1st 10 mins of yr being here, they're painted EVERYWHERE as it is a hindu sacred symbol.
He was a great supporter of India,also because India was fighting against his prime enemy, the british as well.He often supllied arms,subarines and once a whole division of japaneese soldiers to the Indian National Army to quell the british invaders.
Now to say that bands of his soldiers, who coudn't have been there in the first place would kill monks of hinduism's daughter religion, buddhism is unreasonable.

Most of the eastern music played in the movie (including the last scene) was Hindu devotional, tibetians dont have much of their own music , just some tribal clamour.Unjustified use in a Buddhist-centric movie.

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uh....so?

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"He was a great supporter of India, also because India was fighting against his prime enemy, the british"
Well that is certainly an interesting take on history, I mean fair play that has to be the first time I have heard that. Have you ever studied the Eastern Front? Or have you ever considered the Holocaust a war?

If Britain was his prime enemy why did he make his 'Last Appeal to the Reichstag'? If he was so intent on beating the British why did he invade the Soviet Union? Would his resources not be better served in the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine if Britain's defeat was his primary aim? If the Western Front and Britain's defeat were so important then why, towards the end of the war, were trucks being diverted from the war effort to his war on the Jews?

Secondly, the British were part of Hitler's racial order, akin to the Germans and I believe the Norwegians - which further questions your point of the British being the 'prime' enemy. Hitler either hated the Russians or the Jews the most and therefore its a toss up between them who his prime enemy was.

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The British were throw out of India.

LOL yes mate we ran away screaming from Gandi and his peaceful protests.

IDIOT.

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The British were throw out of India.

LOL yes mate we ran away screaming from Gandi and his peaceful protests.

IDIOT.


The OP is totally dreaming if he thinks there was an Indian front where the second biggest country in the world was fighting a war against Britain.

There was an ongoing campaign for independence (achieved in 1947) which did feature some armed clashes and bombs occasionally going off, but is best known for the peaceful non-violent protesting and advocating led by Ghandi.

To suggest that British - run India in 1943 would be happy to see a platoon of armed Germans running around in Tibet is laughable.

However if Stephen Spielberg can put Nazis in Nepal in 1938, I guess I have to accept that Paul Hunter (who??) can whack them into Tibet.

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Could have been Abwher or some other team of agents. Germany in 1943 had agents in new York, Greenland and Brazil to name a few. Tibet is not out of the question.

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The initial poster is incorrect when he says that Hitler got the swastika from India, Hitler had no interest in India at all. Much of the Nazis racial theories were bound up with Norse theology. The swastika as used by the nazis is a bindrune comprised of a pairing of the rune Sigel, symbolic of victory. The same rune is found in the collar badge of the SS. Hitler was far more influenced by teutonic paganism than by hinduism and believed that by placing the bindrune formed of two intesecting sigels that he was invoking the runic power in aid of German supremacy.

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Was it actually the Nazis who were after the scroll?
I was under the impression that it was the one general who wanted it for himself so he could rule the world and destroy all the inferior races.
If that's true, it doesn't necessarily follow that he was acting on behalf of Hitler or the Nazis, purely by himself with a small unit.
Which might explain why he would be in Tibet at that time.

What makes less sense is why the monks and Germans all spoke English! j/k :P

It wasn't a great film, but it was better than i'd been led to believe, and passed the time.

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The film is FICTION therefore arguments about Nazis are irrelevant. In the film, there are Nazis, that's all you need to know. You don't need to know what happened in real life, or how likely Nazis were to be in that area. The film has Nazis after the scroll. If you can't accept that, you must have problems with virtually every film, every peice of fiction in fact.

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I agree. This film is *beep* but no one complains about LotR having orks when they dont exist or The Matrix having a false world put around us when theres evidence that there isnt.

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Thats because they are (excluding the matrix sequels) good films.

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So it's OK for a film that you like to make good use of the fact that it is fiction, but a film that in your opinion isn't good, has to be historically and factually correct?
As far as I'm concerned, if it's fiction then they can have Nazi's on Mars. I watch a film for entertainment, to be transported to a different land where history may or may not be the same as the land I was in before the film started.


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Well no, but its easier to ignore if the film is good.

Mel Gibson says Jews are liars and sneaks. If the road warrior said it then it must be true

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I think that Murdoch and Dippy have corrected a lot of the truly bizarre historical misconceptions mentioned in this thread, though I feel it is worth pointing out a few things. Britain ruled India. Many Indians where less than happy about this, but India was not a member of the Axis. Yeah, the Nazi's had an understrength division of Indians, along with several division's of assorted Russians, Turks, French, Belgians, Spaniards, Danes, Norwegians and most nationalities you care to mention, including the Free British Korps, with approx. 120 members surely the smallest corps in military history. The Japanese had similar Indian units, but for every Indian fighting for the Axis there was a thousand or more in the British Indian Armies. In 1943 some of them would have been fighting up the Italian peninsula with the rest of the allied forces. Some would have been in Iraq, where a division formed part of the force that defeated a Nazi backed coup against the British puppet government. Most would have been fighting the Japanese in eastern India and Burma. Britain was involved in fighting across vast stretches of Asia, had defeated Axis forces in Northern, and Eastern (Ethiopia, Somalia etc) Africa, the Middle and Near East (Syria, Iraq, Persia). British commandos where in action on the Greek Islands, and in the extraordinarily dirty and multi-sided war in Yugoslavia, where the troops they where exchanging fire with would have included the SS "Prinz Eugen" Alpine Division, who I think was the unit to which the SS colonel in this film and his Alpine troops belonged (I only got a brief glance at his wrist ribbon), they where also raiding into France, Norway etc, as the allied air forces pummelled Germany. The British where far from "couped up in Europe". The biggest battle in history took place in 1943, at Kursk, and the "could go anywhere at this time" Germans where not the winners.
The SS did go to Tibet in the late '30's, members of the SS Abernante (I've almost certainly spelt that wrong) searching for the origins of the Aryan race, one candidate been Tibet. (another, I'm not making this up, was Atlantis) They where not suited and booted in SS regalia, though they did have some rather natty over-sized pith helmets with swastikas on the side, it was a anthropological survey mission. Lots of measuring heads for racial characteristics, rather like other Abernante did with body parts sent from the concentration camps a few years later. This unit, who really fall into the stranger than fiction category, also searched for objects of power, such as the Holy Lance and (this is sometimes disputed) Holy Grail, for some top Nazi's where true believers in the occult, including Himmler, the head of the SS. If a scroll like that in the film existed, they would have been interested in it. They also inspired Raiders Of the Lost Ark, which also has the Nazis in British dominated territory (Eygpt) plot hole (and also Tibet!)and Hellboy.
Oh, and Bulletproof Monk? I've seen worse films on a friday night, but also a lot better.....

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I have four words and four words only to say to you, Vortimer, "Too long, didn't read"

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seriously its a friggin movie it doesnt need to be based on real events. whats next? bashing LOTR because hobbits never existed?

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Now I thought Hobbit sized human remains had been found, I think Indonesia but I maybe incorrect.

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Exactly, this isn't a historical movie. The movie is just about a monk protecting a scroll and finding his successor. Chill out!

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its a movie

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I'm sorry, but you'd have to be a moron to watch this film and believe that it's trying to be accurate about the actual world, historically or otherwise.


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