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too much Hollywood, not enough France


This wasn't a terrible film but it certainly had its flaws, which nobody seems to have mentioned.
Just the ones that bugged me the most:

1 - When the Germans kill the Resistance fighters in the field, the Germans are on BOTH sides of the field firing machine guns into the middle. That doesn't seem like a very good idea to me.

2 - The scene where she ran after the train to put the note through a crack in the door was just ridiculous, a classic no-brainer Hollywood scene.

3 - Worst of all! A member of the French Resistance, part of an underground cell, starts shouting names of disappeared at the German troops passing in the street! That's preposterous! It maybe would have made sense if he was portrayed as an unstable character or someone who was cracking up, but his character appeared to be a very dedicated and sensible resistance fighter. He would NEVER have done that!

Also, it should have been in French with subtitles.

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I completely agree with number 3, I thought I was imagining it at first, that it was another man who looked like Julian, it's ridiculous!

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Interesting comment as it's not been made by a Hollywood film company but a British film company.

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I thought this film would have worked a whole lot better if they had actually been speaking French and subtitles had been used. It was just like watching an episode of the British sit com 'Ello 'Ello. Rediculous.

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if you watch it again the nazis were on one side of the field but they cut between shots of them from front and behind and from left and from the right, when the resistance fighters enter the field the germans spread out behind where they arrived from, then julian coming the same way is behind them.

number 2 yes was a bit weird, especially the fact she typed out a heart felt letter with no spelling mistakes in a 2nd language while people with guns were banging on the door trying to break in. that was just some speck of feel good to make up for the fact they are all gonna die.

however number 3 isnt that wrong. things like this did happen a lot, even in germany. members of student resistance groups would make public spectacles in front of soldiers, they were sometimes assaulted viciously or arrested but they still did it as a show of open defiance, to unnerve and guilt trip members of the military, in the hope of inflaming and inspiring resistance from other members of the community etc. some just were so angry about what was going on they would speak out. overt resistance occured in france, poland, germany, italy and the netherlands as well as the eastern bloc countires through out the war. factory workers would strike, railway workers would strike an refuse to work on the signals etc for military trains and trains to the death camps, especially the dutch. they happened through out the war they may not have been smart but they were so common they didnt arrest people for it usually. a lot of people were angry they had relatives who had been killed or taken away, they lived under occupation etc. had they have taken away everyone who had lost a family member close friend or neighbour and occassionally made angry remarks while drunk etc there would have been no one left. yes it was risky and something could happen to you for doing it to make an example now and then or from an angry soldier who didnt want to face the reality of what they were doing for the reich, but a lot of people did such things an got away with it. this is also why as in the film members of british intelligence didnt meet directly with the resistance, they were too volatile, not properly trained and everyone in town would already know they lent heavily to the left from the days before the war. this is why they would use couriers as messengers. people who would be there awhile and then be gone soon so they were at less risk. the actual spys who were there for the length of the war in reality would stay as far away from the actual fighters as they could using dead drops couriers or coded radio messages to pass instructions. think of when charlotte grey was in the cafe when the soldiers came in. when asked who saw you with the other agent, she says the barman and is told oh he is alright. people in the community usually knew or suspected who was in favour of the facists and who was not and who just didnt want any trouble. the nazis had only just arrived but everyone in town that had been to school with you lived next to you seen you all your life they knew who was liberal and who was not especially as the 1930s was a very politically turbulent and highly charged time with a lot of people in trouble from the depression people got very passionate about politics, hence why there were so many communists in greece france germany and spain before the war. some have even theorised if the nazis had not killed most of the communists in the west there could have been revoloutions in several of these countrys, communism nearly came about several times in the next 50 years in greece and italy etc. so yes it was risky and all but in reality people did do things like this and on the most part if it was only once or twice it was just not worth pursuing as most conquered people hate their conquerers it was an open secret and most people in town probably already had a damn good idea he was involved in something after all he was a communist who had been a teacher hed probably given lectures about his beliefs etc and recruited those others to the cause. so everyone could already have told the gestapo he was likely involved in something and would explain why that reche bloke the informant was outside his fathers house late at night. its not like he just happened to be passing way out that far from town, he was spying on the households they already knew were most against the facists and probably involved in some level of sabotauge or resistance.

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Actually if you did look at the letter it had mistakes. She did a typo on "mamma".

Putting the film all in English makes it more accessible to the viewers. There are plenty of people I know who just absolutely refuse to watch a movie with sub-titles, especially older ones, but many of them might be interested in a film about the second world war.

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1 - When the Germans kill the Resistance fighters in the field, the Germans are on BOTH sides of the field firing machine guns into the middle. That doesn't seem like a very good idea to me.


Aside from the physics of firing machine guns, in the West at least, captured Resistance fighters would not be executed in the field. It would have been a horrible loss of potential information to be gleaned from them under interrogation.

In fact, if a German officer in France or Belgium or the Netherlands had done this, he would be probably be considered either incompetent or perhaps in league with the resistance movement (for silencing the captured fighters before they could be interrogated).

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