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Disturbing Scene...

posted 18 years ago by Emil308
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The part where Thomas Janes character spit into Jolie's mouth holyyyyyyyyyyy...what really hit me about this scene other than the act itself was the length that actors (in this case Jolie) go to in trying to soldify their place in Hollywood.

I don't care how many millions Jolie made from this movie or any actor makes in a film, one should never sacrifice their self respect and integrity.

As sexy as Jolie is, I question her integrity and self respect, by permitting this scene to occur, and I must say, I have lost a lot of respect in her. If I was her, and I saw this in the script, i'd be like, u take this out of the film or get another actress. Plain and simple. She could have done that, but she didn't. All in the name of money, and climbing the star/fame ladder. She may have earned millions from this movie, but u can never put a price on integrity.

I am an aspiring actor myself, but if I have to commit such disgusting things to "make it" in the business, then count me out.

Any thoughts? And please dont reply with "u exchange jus as much spit when u kiss someone", cuz this is totally different.

[–] Into_White 18 years ago

Oh for goodness sake...you need to work out your priorities.

You lost so much respect for Jolie and believe she gave away all her integrity because in a movie they acted as if some dude spat in her mouth? It wasn't an actual golly you dumbass. And even if it was...if you would judge someone so incredibly harshly and lose so much respect for them just because they did that (for $20 million, too) then you have a serious problem.

Get a grip.

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[–] nottobeblamed 18 years ago

well, I think that this shouldn't have made you lose respect for Jolie because it shows that she really is an actress and that she is prepared to do whatever needs to be done in order to create art.

[–] Emil308 18 years ago

The fact that she is an actress is besides the point. Am talking about the act itself. The fact that she was acting didnt make it any less real. Does it make it right jus cuz she was acting and she was gettin paid for it. NO. And you call that "art"???

[–] dreyshock-1 18 years ago

There're a number of other threads on this topic within on the boards. Only a few discussions I know have considered the possibility that Thomas Jane actually didn't spit with real spittle into Angelina's mouth at all. Two possibilities are -
(a) It may have been CGI or some other fake special effect. This might be possible as it would be quite cheap to do, lasting only a few frames.
(b) Given the camera angles and other editing tricks, it would appear that Thomas is spitting into her mouth but actually he spat to the side (to her cheek or even the wall). This would at least make it more tolerable for her than her mouth.
Any other suggestions?

[–] stella-benitez 15 years ago

When you do kissing scenes, you swap spit anyway...

[–] fluffy_mc 15 years ago

What's the deal?? It's called acting.

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[–] Mehki_Girl 12 years ago

How do you know it wasn't CGI or they had some contraption in her mouth to catch it or the angle made it look like it went in (haven't seen the scene yet).

[–] Emil308 12 years ago

Dude...first watch the scene. Then comment.

[–] biggnidogg 12 years ago

Spitting in someones mouth was art. But whatever completes your drawing or floats your boat lol

[–] chantelsinatambou71 15 years ago

honestly just shows what an amazing actress angelina is.

when she plays a character..she becomes the character! obviously it wasn't really his spit but it was an amazing symbol of how much control he had over her

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[–] eYeDEF 15 years ago

You're an aspiring actor? I strongly suggest that you consider another line of work.

When two actors kiss they exchange spit, so what's the big deal? Seriously, we're in the 21st century. You sound too prudish to be successful in Hollywood.

Some fellows get credit for being conservative when they are only stupid.
- Kin Hubbard

[–] Emil308 15 years ago

Two actors kissing is one thing, having an actor spit a ball of saliva into anothers mouth is another you idiot. Go spit in your partners mouth and see their reaction smartass. Yah that's what I thought. But it's permissible here cuz they're getting paid? It's not even really the saliva thing, it's the ACT ITSELF genius. If I had a problem with the exchange of spit then I would be posting each and every time someone kisses in a movie.

I sound to prudish to be successful in Hollywood? Well you sound too much like an idiot to be discussing a grownup topic such as this. Take your ass to the Miley Cyrus boards kid.

Some fellows get credit for being stupid because they actually ARE. Ask eyeDEF.
-emilkhattab

[–] eYeDEF 15 years ago

And your claim to fame is?

The only reason for you to get so upset is if something I said must have really hit home. Perhaps your wished upon career that's never got off the ground?

I actually do wish you the best of luck, as anyone aspiring requires.

[–] MorbidKittyProductions 14 years ago

Ok ok I have to get in on this one.

I was, at one time, an aspiring actress as well. I act in re-enactments of scenes (all the characters done by myself) on my YouTube channel, and it's fun. To ME I've accomplished my goal. But to ever REALLY become a full time actress, I'd go nuts. I'm sort of too pliable, psychologically. I really wouldn't know who I was by the end of a day... a year... my LIFE. I couldn't do it.

Now, as to "unspeakable acts".
To me, an actor willing to do certain things (show their butts or breasts, have a kissing scene at all much less an IMPLIED hand job scene... or maybe a rape scene) is one who is mentally strong, emotionally stable & very willing on all sides. The actor has to be willing to go in interviews and answer "WHY?" all the time and with the strong conviction that what they do in The Craft is just that - a craft... an art.... fiction... ACTING.

If you're not willing to do those things --- that's fine.
But that only sets apart the TYPE of Actors there are out there.
There are thespians, true thespians too -- only for the stage. Too over dramatic to ever been shown in close ups because they can't help to over exaggerate their facial expressions (which to ME is THE difference between a stage and film actor). There are those actors who never change --- Tom Cruise has this TENDENCY for instance... Brad Pitt also has this problem. Their mannerisms never change, Accent & tone of voice never change, their "Personalities" never alter according to character... BOOOOORRRINNNG...
Then there are the character actors -- different in EVERY film... people like Gary Oldman, John Malkovich (most of the time anyway, and don't hate - I love that guy), Johnny Depp (he's gotten to be a GREAT actor), and now even Robert Downey Jr (who is taking acting much more seriously - as quoted by HIMSELF).

It depends on the person. If Angelina Jolie had the guts & strength to let Thomas Jane spit into her mouth - either by camera trickery or CGI or for REAL even.... then "Go Angie!" is what I have to say. More power to her.

Cuz I'm not sure I could bare my breasts, much less KISS someone....

http://www.unofficialbenhellerfansite.com/bhhome.html

[–] sfrsez 11 years ago

ur the idiot clueless wannabe

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

I'm the idiot, but you felt the need to take a pointless jab at me 4 YEARS LATER. Nice one kid

[–] covenant12 11 years ago

It's not like he waited 4 years to reply to your comment. Probably didn't even look at the date.

You saw Dingleberries?

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

If he didn't look at the date that's his problem. Replies that are made SEVEN years (not 4) after the fact tend to lose their effectiveness and potency.

And no, I didn't see Dingleberries ;)

[–] EmilylnWonderland 10 years ago

Emil308, your reaction to one scene is completely ridiculous. I hope you never succeed in becoming an actor. I would feel so sorry for your co-stars.

And, if you were in front of me right now, I would totally spit in your mouth, because that's how much I h ate you.

[–] Emil308 10 years ago

HAHAHA

Thanks for the tip dipschitt....Commenting on a topic I started back in what, 2006? As in EIGHT friggin yrs ago? LOL Bored? No life?

You hope I never succeed in becoming an actor? Too late! A lot changes in 8 years hater.

Easy to talk *beep* over a computer you internet tough guy. In all honesty I would actually love for you to just attempt to do that in real life, so I could then proceed to beat the ever living crap out of you. So don't kid yourself jerkoff. Now beat it kid, past your bedtime.

[–] EmilylnWonderland 10 years ago

I don't look at the dates of the posts. I came on this board to discuss this movie and your topic happened to be near the top.

It's YOU who obviously doesn't have a life and you're bored. I can see in the "EIGHT friggin yrs" that you haven't grown up or matured one bit. I'm sorry that you are so limited. It must be associated with having a low IQ.

By the way...how's that acting gig coming along? ;)

[–] Emil308 10 years ago

"I don't look at the dates of the posts. I came on this board to discuss this movie and your topic happened to be near the top."

Well, start looking at dates. Cause arguments tend to lose potency and relevancy when they're made 8 years later.

"It's YOU who obviously don't have a life and you're bored. I can see in the "EIGHT friggin yrs" that you haven't grown up or matured one bit. I'm sorry that you are so limited. It must be associated with having a low IQ."

Listen pal, you treat me with respect I treat you with respect. A very simple concept that most people learn when they're friggin toddlers. You apparently, missed the boat on that one. Or maybe your parents are just like you. Like Charles Barkley said "Show me an idiot, follow him home i'll show you some parents who idiots too." And this is coming from the person who messaged ME first too?? Then has the audacity to call me out on my maturity when it was YOU who initially threw childish lame jabs at me with comments like "I hope you never succeed in Hollywood" and "I feel sorry for your co-stars" then topped it off with a super pathetic "I would totally spit in your mouth, because that's how much I h ate you." Yet I'M the one who hasn't grown up or matured one bit? Try again?

If a simple comment I made on a message board eight yrs ago has affected you enough to go so far as to say you HATE me, wow you really need to get your priorities straight. You must go through life being a hate machine with A LOT of hate in your heart.

And if YOU weren't so limited, you would engage others in a civil manner while strengthening your viewpoint using educated responses. Or at the very least respect peoples opinions even if you disagree with them. Instead of responding like a bratty fake tough guy talking bout you gon spit on me and *beep* Grow the *beep* up man. But i'm the one that's limited, right?

As for the acting gig...it's going great, and quite lucrative I might add. Thank you for asking.

[–] EmilylnWonderland 10 years ago

Cause arguments tend to lose potency and relevancy when they're made 8 years later.

What argument? An argument is when you have a certain belief or feeling about something, and you use facts and examples to support your position, thus trying to persuade people to agree with your point of view. I didn't see any argument here, so there is no potency and relevancy to be lost. All I read was you posting your (idiotic) opinion.

Don't call me "man" or "dude" or "pal" either because I am none of those.

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

I'm the idiot, yet you felt the need to take a pointless jab at me 4 YEARS LATER. Nice one kid

[–] sfrsez 11 years ago

may be 4 years later, but it still stings doesnt it

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

You're right, cause being caused an idiot is the most hurtful, painful and devastating insult one can be called. Matter of fact i'm slipping into a deep depression as we speak, and will now grab the yellow pages and look up a therapist ASAP. I will never be the same again, because you called me....an idiot.

[–] sfrsez 11 years ago

stop crying fkn baby

[–] sfrsez 11 years ago

lets be freinds?

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

Sure we can be friends...how bout you give me your address and i'll come by and say "hello"?

[–] sfrsez 11 years ago

allo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rEx3qhe0xk

[–] EmilylnWonderland 10 years ago

Wow, you really need to grow up.

I sound to prudish to be successful in Hollywood?

"To" should be "too." Now who's the idiot?

[–] Emil308 10 years ago

Mrs. Baker, is that you? My 3rd grade spelling teacher?

It's called a typo smartass. Get over yourself.

[–] Hopper21 13 years ago

the scene of her about to be gang raped was way more disturbing.

[–] melissy87-928-30530 13 years ago

shes supposed to be all freaky ,anyone stop to think she enjoyed these scenes? ;)

[–] CassieNewton 12 years ago

lol at aspiring actor.

I am half-sick of shadows.

[–] melkiades 11 years ago

Two observations here:

- how the ffff did this pathetic comment generate four pages?
- Emil308, you are an imbecile of the worst kind

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

Answers to your observations:

- Cause jerkoffs like you keep replying, EIGHT AND HALF YEARS later, wow lol...no life buddy?
- Go *beep* yourself douchebag

[–] melkiades 11 years ago

You *beep* idiot, I'm sure you watch porn day and night yet you have no respect for an actor who's in a scene where spit is SIMULATED. In any case, you obviously have no knowledge of cinema history. You're hopeless dude, as in sans hope.

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

STFU you internet tough guy...you think that the spit was simulated then you're a bigger dumbass than I thought. And tell me how the *beep* cinema history is relevant when I think a given act is in poor taste?

I don't give a *beep* if this has been done in a billion movies throughout history, it's my personal opinion. You don't like it? Then go *beep* yourself bitch. I'm hopeless? Lol look whos talking, need I remind you that you're responding to a thread I started back in 2006?!?

Now really, who's the hopeless one here, someone who expresses a different opinion than yours, or a you, who's surfing and commenting on SEVEN year old message boards? LOL you gotta be *beep* kidding me kid. Truth hurts *beep* Please reply, I could use a good laugh...

p.s. you're an idiot, as in sans intelligence.

[–] KentSjursen 11 years ago

Im not gonna bother commenting on the scene you are talking about, everyone has different opinions.

Emil, do you really think this behaviour is wise for an aspiring actor? (if you still are, best of luck)
I mean, telling him to STFU and calling him an internet tough guy in the same sentence is kind of ironic, isn't it?

Just think about it, if you actually do make it someday, wich i honestly hope for your sake, this message board history will be found by some reporter or someone, and that might have a bad effect on your career. People are always prying in celebrities' lives, so just be careful with what you write and say to people. Being a nice is gonna get you alot further in this business than being rude :)

[–] Emil308 11 years ago

KentSjursen,

First off, I commend you on responding in a civil and polite manner, even though I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying.

And no, it isn't ironic. It's really quite simple actually. My career choice will not prevent me from putting someone in their place or fighting fire with fire if I get abused. I can give it as could as I can take it, maybe even better. People talk crap, that's exactly what they're gonna get in return. People talk in a courteous and polite manner? They gonna get the same nice tone back...as I've done here with you, no? Point is, I ain't eating schitt from no one just cause i'm an actor.

As for your last paragraph, let's keep it real here. Ain't nobody gonna figure out my true identity from my message board battles or my username. For all you guys know I could be nothing more than an random film extra, or a seasoned actor who just wrapped shooting on next summers big action flick that i'll get paid $627,000US for ;) C'mon Kent, do you really think i'd give my true identity away on a public forum? Ummm....no. To date my posts have never indicated my true identity, nor will they ever.

Cheers.

[–] KentSjursen 11 years ago

Thanks for responding nicely.

About that last paragraph, thats just me being pessimistic :)

I noticed you wrote "Point is, I ain't eating schitt from no one just cause i'm an actor". Seems you've had some succes judging from that line, so congrats and hope you do well further down the line.

Have a nice day.

[–] EmilylnWonderland 10 years ago

It's obvious Emil308 doesn't know what irony means.

[–] melkiades 9 years ago

So you've got a problem with me commenting on a 2006 post, yet you're still around to verify who replied to your eight year old post, and you actually take the time to reply? May I remind you all that one cannot get an email notice when someone responds to a post, one has to actually dig for it....muhahahaha, poor lad, you surely haven't found that job haha! It turns out that I had just watched the movie and commented. Who gives a rat's arse that it was an old post? Was it archived? Was it removed from view? Is there an interdiction to comment older posts? Are you aware that people still discuss matters hundreds of years after the fact? Are you a freaking police officer, maybe a Boy Scout, an army recruit? Certainly not an artist. Please show us your rule book, publish it somewhere so we can all be enlightened by your beautiful code of conduct.

As for the rest of your pointless blabber, how poor and primal.

[–] freshy 10 years ago

Holy crap! You wrote this EIGHT AND A HALF years ago??? LOL! I saw your post at the top of the board and thought it was new. LOL!!!!!! And here I am writing some sound advice for you. Hopefully it's not too late! LOL!