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This movie is against Hard Rock and Heavy Metal!

posted 16 years ago by SnakePlissken97
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Hi!
Why nobody sees that this movie is against Hard Rock And Heavy Metal?
It's not real that two cover bands fight only to decide who is the best cover band! Since the beginning in Hard Rock and Heavy Metal there was something called brotherhood, all together against the world. That's the difference from the commercial music and our world!
Then in 1986 circa there was a fight between Thrashers and Glamsterz but we all remember that Davy Vain founder and singer of the underrated Sleaze Metal band Vain also produced the album of the great Thrash Metal band Death Angel. In 1991 the fight ended because Grunge arrived and destroyed everything.
Grunge and his "alternative" brothers are the enemy since the 1991 and look at the end of the movie... it's obvious that the protagonist betrays Hard Rock for the newcomer... damned Grunge! This is against our world!
Then we discover that the original singer wears a wig.. that's against all our values... do you remember the attack to the movie Spinal Tap? Everybody said "nobody wears a wig in hard rock world!".
And who can believe that a bastard like Mark Wahlberg is a metalhead? He's one of the worst actor of all the time, he was called Marky Mark and made lousy "music"! I still remember the quote against him in the great movie called Airheads!
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Dumb7sbwQ )
And the scene in the disco... we are against disco!!! Only a fake one or a betrayer goes to a disco after a concert!!! And the drugs? Please read our bible, The Dirt from Motley Crue, as you can read there aren't designer drugs!
And the sex with a transexual... that's another obvious message that all our world it's fake!
Our brotherhood is fake, our coherence is fake, our long hair and our look are fake, our blazoned heterosexuality is fake... the world of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal is fake!
Well I can't stand this anymore, it's war, baby! And you gonna die!
I know that the soundtrack it's good... I know that there are great artists such as Zakk Wilde, Jeff Scott Soto, Jason Bonham, Jeff Pilson and Blas Elias but metalheads all over the world raise up against this movie!
Boycott this movie because it's against us!
The funny thing is that everybody keep saying "It's a only a movie, chill out!".
Let me explain why it's not only a movie. When we talk about Batman movies, we can say that the Burton's movies are perfect and the Schumacher's movies are crap, why so serious? They are only a movie!
Well the problem is the attitude! The Schumacher's version of Batman is fake and betrays the original idea of Batman like the serials from the sixties!
And it's same here! I agree Rockstar isn't a documentary but it's fake and it doesn't have the right attitude.

Joey Cruel "If Heavy Metal Is My Life Glam Metal Is My Religion"

[–] t_sto 16 years ago

oh shut up, it's just a movie.

~Hollywood

[–] SnakePlissken97 16 years ago

Can I make you a question?
Can you tell me how the system shape the mankind's mind?
Let me tell you! With the media you can tell what's right and what's wrong...
And this movie tell to new generation of music eater a fake and wrong story on eighties Hard Rock and Heavy Metal!
When I saw Die Hard 4 and somebody told me that an airplane can't do such things I said "Oh... please... don't harass me... it's just a movie!", in this case it's not just a movie! It's about destroy our history!

Nothing personal... ;-)

Joey "Desert Moon" Cruel

[–] t_sto 16 years ago

okay i apologize for saying shut up. its your opinion but i have to admit i think its a bit stupid because it IS just a movie. its not going to be perfect or a perfect representation of our lives history. its simply entertainment.

~Hollywood

[–] vosges1945 14 years ago

*****
Can you tell me how the system shape the mankind's mind?
Let me tell you! With the media you can tell what's right and what's wrong...
*****

If you prefer to let others think and decide for you, then yeah, the media is a great yardstick to judge. Just follow the trends and mouth the catch phrases and you'll fit right in.

*****
in this case it's not just a movie! It's about destroy our history!
*****

You really think a single movie can destroy anything (well, maybe a career)?

Have no fear, rock and roll and its history will survive this movie. I can guarantee that for you.

:)

Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order

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[–] rob_benter 10 years ago

I know right!!? I love metal, was in a band, had fights, went to clubs, there were trannys around somewhere. I just figured the rules were that there were no rules. haha. Anarchy!!

[–] fudgenuts101 16 years ago

dude your awesome

[–] SnakePlissken97 16 years ago

Sorry... I don't understand...
Can you explain me, please, your sentence?
Thanx

Joey "F.I.N.E." Cruel

[–] dimitriosadam 16 years ago

I can't believe I just spent 5 minutes of my precious time on our crap...
It's a *beep* movie, it's not a movie about the history of metal and hard rock, it's not a movie about the brotherhood of metal heads, it's a story about a wannabe who becomes what he always wanted. You're so *beep* stupid!

And FYI Mark is an awesome actor, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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[–] SnakePlissken97 16 years ago

I feel so so sorry for my bad english.

Well, what can I say... it's your opinion but as guy that live in a Heavy Metal way of life for 12 years I feel so angry and upset. I feel that's not fair as other "Metal" movies, for example Wayne's World, Airheads or Detroit Rock City...
That's all...

[–] KingAtor42 16 years ago

The key counter argument: It's a movie. You can't take everything at face value!

- They weren't cover bands. They were TRIBUTE bands. The difference is that tribute bands focus solely on looking and sounding like the real thing and don't produce original music. On rare occasion, they do produce new music but always in the style or inspired by the band they tribute. Two rival tribute bands in one small region is a lot even for a top band like Steel Dragon at its apex of fame and you bet they'd battle for supremacy.
- The lead singer, Bobby Beers, if you knew anything about earlier metal origins, is a direct take on Bob Halford who fronted Judas Priest. He was eventually expelled from the band and was openly gay and got replaced by a tribute band singer. The wig is inconsequential.
- What OTHER type of music would you expect? What followed 80s rock and metal? Alternative and grunge music! What would be more realistic? Him taking on motown music instead?
- Drugs were heavily downplayed in the movie, it was alcohol that was overplayed.
- The Transexual is a commentary device! It's a direct note on how sexuality at the time was confusing and not what it seemed. Multiple early metal and 'hair band' fronters were late 70s glam transfers. Even the super masculine Bobby Beers was gay in the movie. Stars from Elton John to Freddy Mercury to Halford and George Michaels onto REM's Stipe were all front liners with bisexual or gay lifestyles from the late 70s into the early 90s. To think the birth of metal was all male power is a joke considering how more gayness and bisexuality flooded the music scene concurrently.

This movie is a celebration of the height of 80s metal more than anything else. Heck, it's a direct adaptation of a real life event!

Aristophanes once wrote, roughly translated...

[–] piggskins 16 years ago

what's with the people who take this shXt to heart? as for "living in the lifestyle for 12 years", who cares? it's not about you.

"fxck the bozos!"

[–] Xerxes_Punk 14 years ago

i agree in some way.mark was a rapper not a metal head.why did they choose him as a metal fan?at the end of the movie i saw that mark is saying no more *beep* metal(something like that)and he just said only rap music.go f*c* your self mark.

[–] SnakePlissken97 14 years ago

Thank you so much! I thought I was alone...

[–] Dizzychicky 13 years ago

Ok, so how come no one seems to realize that he was joking when he was talking about how rock is dead and it is all about hip-hop. Just before that they were busting his chops about being Marky Mark or whatever his name was. He was joking people. Get a sense of humor.

[–] w-kirk 16 years ago

lol, this post rocks!
Granted it's written in bastard english "he was called Marky Mark and made a lousy music"
But it's actually cute and all true..

[–] SnakePlissken97 14 years ago

Thank you so much! Thank you for your words!
I feel so sorry for my bad english, it's not my first language....
Maybe I should have said "His nickname was Mark Mark and he made a lousy music"?... I don't know, english is my favorite language but...

[–] mkcohen00 13 years ago

I don't even think it qualifies as your second language...

[–] lewisworld 16 years ago

Even assuming English is not the OPs 1st language. This post i is incoherent.

Friends don't let friends post drunk.

[–] Guitar_King 16 years ago

This movie sucks. Everything about it is completely innacurate. It's supposed to be 1985 but the bands sound and dress like early 90s bands like Firehouse. This movie gets everything completely wrong and fails to capture the true essence and spirit of 80s metal.

[–] CptHowdy87 14 years ago

This movie sucks. Everything about it is completely innacurate. It's supposed to be 1985 but the bands sound and dress like early 90s bands like Firehouse. This movie gets everything completely wrong and fails to capture the true essence and spirit of 80s metal.

You're completely wrong. The director was a huge fan of the era and hired talented musicians from the era as a reference (for the lack of a better term) for the legitimacy and accuracy of metal bands and how they acted and the regular goings on in that world. Try watching the movie with commentary, the director worked very hard and passionately to produce a film that was as accurate as possible. You complainers only come up with such false statements because the movie doesn't glamourise everything and make metal heads and that era out to be the greatest thing ever with no bad side to anything. You metal heads may look back on those days so fondly like the world was your oyster but to people not hooked into all that can look objectively and in retrospect and realise how embarassing and lame alot of that stuff was. Just have a laugh and don't take it so seriously, some of you sound like you're just living in the past and never got over that era and can't move on and then have a hissy fit when a movie doesn't make out your precious era to be all sunshine and rainbows. Sad little bastards.

[–] SnakePlissken97 14 years ago

The problem it's not that this "movie doesn't make out your precious era to be all sunshine and rainbows"... look at Decline Of Western Civilization II! It's not sunshine and rainbows but it's true!
Or look at Detroit Rock City, Trick Or Treat or Airheads they are true!
I can take this movies not so seriously and I can have a laugh!
And I don't speak about the story! I speak about the attitude!
I don't care what director said! This movie is against our music in a slimy way!
Sorry for my bad english, thanx for your patience.

[–] cockroachcharlie 8 years ago

Bro. The movie is not AGAINST the music. Nor is it against the lifestyle. The movie is about the reality of something not living up to the dream, in this case, both the styles, and the people we grow to idolize.

Watch the movie again. Chris very much enjoys everything when it's going the way he imagined it would go, being able to drop ice cubes on naked women, riding a motorcycle through a hotel. But he starts losing interest every time something that doesn't match his illusion shows up. Same thing, he idolizes the band members, and has a lot of fun with them, but it's still just an illusion, as soon as they start acting in ways that aren't how he expected, he stops enjoying himself.

The movie is not saying that Rock and Metal are bad. It's saying the life of those we idolize isn't all wonderful and amazing; there is a dark side. It's also saying, especially through the manager, that the styles of those we idolize are the right life for some people, but not for others. For the main Steel Dragon band, they were comfortable and enjoyed that freewheeling lifestyle and it was the life that they were happy with, but for Chris, it turned out not to be what he really wanted after all. It's not really saying anything is bad, but you have to look deeper than the surface. Matt's "I'm gonna p***" speech about how he can't live with the 9 - 5 life shows very much that it's a movie about both sides.

And don't worry about your english. It's clear enough that anybody with half a brain can understand it.

[–] aces_boss_yo 14 years ago

LOL !

I might as well enjoy my life and watch the stars play...........

[–] VintageEmotions 16 years ago

you have issues

[–] mkcohen00 13 years ago

[–] blade101167 13 years ago

"The band came in a second wave of metal, before Sabbath, Deep Purple and Zeppelin, in the same time of Queen..."

Do you actually know basic rock/metal history? The first three bands pre-date Judas Priest, all having recorded albums in the late sixties, Priest early seventies and Queen a year or so later...

EDIT: Oh I think I get you, it's just your grasp of English. Your band chronology isn't exactly accurate though, Rainbow came a few years later, from the ashes of Deep Purple and were hardly inspired by Priest. "Exciter" might - at a pinch - be considered early thrash but only for its unusually (at the time) frenetic pace and construction. I also struggle to see the influences of Priest in Slayer and Megadeth. Sure those guys may have listened to JP, but while you're clearly a Priest fan I do think you're overstating their legacy slightly.

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