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Erin--a selfish bully with boobs!


Sorry guys, I know this is gonna set a lot of people off, BUT....Erin didn't care about anyone but herself.

She said it best when she told George that people quit talking when she walks in a room to see if she has anything to say. I'm not saying she didn't care about the plaintiffs in the case, but she cared more about herself, being important and looking good.

She didn't care that Ed thought she should dress more appropriately.

She didn't care that George was being left home to raise her kids.

She didn't care when Ed said he was going to have to take out a 2nd mortgage on his house. Remember her reply? "So?" She didn't care whether Ed was inconvenienced or devastated financially, which was a possibility in this case because the outcome early on was not known for sure. Erin had never worked hard in her life...and had no idea what it was like for someone like Ed to work his entire life to accumulate a life savings...and to have a case like this jeopardize that lifetime of work. Nope..she just wanted what she wanted.

She wanted to play with the big kids even though she did not go to school and go through the same life experiences the big kids did, i.e., she was a lawyer wannabe but couldn't accept the fact that she didn't have an education and wasn't on the same level as they.

She was offensive to those who had put in the time to be lawyers so they could play with the big kids. And, while I'm on that subject, if she had the "600" phone numbers in her head, did it ever occur to her that she SHOULD perhaps put them in the files? No..because this was one more way she could control the situation. Only she had the info...what if she got killed or hurt badly? The info wouldn't have been in the file, and someone would have had to start over on it. She didn't care. She felt this kept her in the drivers seat.

Her own perception of her value was obvious when she asked Ed, "Did you tell them that" after Ed told her she was important to him on the case. She wanted constant ego-stroking, either from Ed or the plaintiffs to confirm her own perception of her value.

I found her cussing, screaming rants to be nothing but an additional indication of her instability and short fuse. She was basically a bully with boobs, who couldn't take one bit of criticism. I don't know how Ed stood her.

After watching the movie yesterday for about the 4th time, I decided I couldn't stand the movie anymore. It has finally dawned on me why. I'm glad the plaintiffs won a big settlement, but watching Julia Roberts portray this person is not enjoyable any longer.

Okay, off my soapbox.





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How can you say she never worked hard in her life? Clearly, she worked very hard on that case. She must've cared about the plaintiffs.

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I can agree with some of what you said - she was a very emotionally driven and irrational person with little experience or training in how to deal with people properly. Yes, perhaps she came off a little arrogant as well.

I also think that she had a great passion for helping the hundreds of plaintiffs affected, and she put her personal life second. Unfortunately she also sacrificed valuable time with her children and boyfriend George, and often lost her temper with Ed or her colleagues in an abusive manner when something upset her.

I don't completely agree with your point about her lack of appreciation for George. I felt that during the time that he cared for them, she got too caught up in the case to acknowledge him. However, you can clearly see the guilt in her face during the scene in which he tells her why he is leaving her. Then later when he rides out to the town when she asks him for a favour to look after the kids, she says something like "I really appreciate you coming out to help me." And of course, there was that important scene towards the end when she takes him with her to visit one of the plaintiffs, and she says to him "I want to show you what you helped me do." To me, this was a confirmation that she did, in fact, care that George helped raise her kids.

I agree that she should have shown more respect for the professionals...I think the reason she was quite rude to them was because of her low opinion of any white collar worker in a high powered position due to the treatment she has presumably dealt with from them throughout her life. The scene depicting the legal proceedings following the car accident - in which she was lawfully a victim - also shed some light on why she was so aggrivated.

Her saving grace was her compassion and undying perseverence to bring the big guys down. I think it was to her credit that even without a university education, she was able to still use her brains, do the research and confidently talk to all the victims on a personal level.

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And of course, there was that important scene towards the end when she takes him with her to visit one of the plaintiffs, and she says to him "I want to show you what you helped me do." To me, this was a confirmation that she did, in fact, care that George helped raise her kids.

Come on, even though it was a nice thought, it was first of all to show off and boost her ego even more.

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As long as she did a good job, what does her motivation matter? It seems to me you're just down on her as a human being. Sure she had her selfish side. People don't do things for just one reason, but for a whole complex of reasons and urges. If self-satisfaction isn't a legitimate reason to do something for someone else, then a lot of people in charity work are going to have to quit.


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So somebody should look frumpy and ugly or they only care about theirselves?

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She said it best when she told George that people quit talking when she walks in a room to see if she has anything to say. I'm not saying she didn't care about the plaintiffs in the case, but she cared more about herself, being important and looking good.


No, it's just another facet of why the job was important to her. If you've lived a life where everybody always told you how much of a failure you are, you start to believe it. Then, when you find out you're not such a failure, it's quite a good feeling, rather heady and intoxicating. So maybe that's one thing she was getting from the job that she didn't get anywhere else.

She didn't care that George was being left home to raise her kids.


I don't know how the real Erin Brockovich felt, but in the film, she clearly feels bad about being away from home so much. I don't think she really ever says it, but it is plain to see. And as for George being "left at home to raise her kids", George wasn't FORCED to do any of that. He chose to do it. And he makes it clear, in the film, that he works construction part of the year and saves up money so that he can spend the rest of the year at home, working from home. So it's not like he was really giving up a job or something major to do that. He volunteered to do it.

She didn't care when Ed said he was going to have to take out a 2nd mortgage on his house. Remember her reply? "So?" She didn't care whether Ed was inconvenienced or devastated financially, which was a possibility in this case because the outcome early on was not known for sure. Erin had never worked hard in her life...and had no idea what it was like for someone like Ed to work his entire life to accumulate a life savings...and to have a case like this jeopardize that lifetime of work. Nope..she just wanted what she wanted.


She says, "So?" meaning, "What's one person's mortgage or even one person's financially stability compared to a whole town full of sick and dying people who are going to continue to get sick and die and not have any way to pay their medical bills unless somebody steps in and exposes what's really going on and helps them out? What's one person's financial stability compared to that?"

She wanted to play with the big kids even though she did not go to school and go through the same life experiences the big kids did, i.e., she was a lawyer wannabe but couldn't accept the fact that she didn't have an education and wasn't on the same level as they.


Oh, I could go on and on about all the educated idiots I've run into, but I won't. And yes, I'm an educated person, so I'm not talking out of bitterness. Like a friend of mine said, who has a Ph.D in English, "Sometimes, I'm ashamed to admit I have a Ph.D because most of the Ph.D's I know couldn't pour piss out of a boot without the instructions being on the heel." "Same level"? Since when does having an education mean that you're better than everyone else?

She was offensive to those who had put in the time to be lawyers so they could play with the big kids. And, while I'm on that subject, if she had the "600" phone numbers in her head, did it ever occur to her that she SHOULD perhaps put them in the files? No..because this was one more way she could control the situation. Only she had the info...what if she got killed or hurt badly? The info wouldn't have been in the file, and someone would have had to start over on it. She didn't care. She felt this kept her in the drivers seat.


While I agree that she should've filed away their phone numbers somewhere, I don't think she left it undone solely so that she could be in the driver's seat. Being an office person myself, some things like that you don't even think of, because this is YOUR work, not somebody else's, so you do it YOUR way and it's hard to explain your methods to somebody else. I can't even begin to explain how many times I've gotten in trouble with my boss over that, but that's just how it is. It's not a control thing; it's a this-is-the-only-way-these-things-make-sense-to-me-and-so-that's-why-I-do-it-this-way type of thing.

Her own perception of her value was obvious when she asked Ed, "Did you tell them that" after Ed told her she was important to him on the case. She wanted constant ego-stroking, either from Ed or the plaintiffs to confirm her own perception of her value.


It's not an ego-stroking thing to expect your coworkers to treat you with respect. Ed had just told her that he was bringing in these people to work with her, without, by the way, even telling her that he was going to do that. I know he was the boss and all, but still, it would've been a common courtesy to at least warn her that it was going to happen. (As it was, it appeared that he was going behind her back and giving the work she had done to somebody else who was then going to get all the credit for it and most of the pay. I'd be hacked off, too!) When she was asking him, "Did you tell them that?", she was trying to be sure that they weren't just going to look down their noses at her and treat her like crap, which, by the way, they TRIED to do.

She didn't care that Ed thought she should dress more appropriately.


I found her cussing, screaming rants to be nothing but an additional indication of her instability and short fuse. She was basically a bully with boobs, who couldn't take one bit of criticism.


While I don't agree with her cursing like that, nah, she was just ballsy and assertive. So as far as "a bully with boobs" goes, I wonder: If Erin Brockovich had been a man instead of a woman...if, say, he was named Eric Brockovich...would you still think he was a bully? Chances are that, like most of our society, you wouldn't. In fact, chances are you and most of the rest of society would think that ERIC Brockovich was a strong, assertive, tells-it-like-it-is type of person and...dare I say it?...a HERO, even. But, somehow, when it comes to a woman displaying those same qualities, it's frowned upon. Why is that?

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"If Erin Brockovich had been a man instead of a woman...if, say, he was named Eric Brockovich...would you still think he was a bully? Chances are that, like most of our society, you wouldn't. In fact, chances are you and most of the rest of society would think that ERIC Brockovich was a strong, assertive, tells-it-like-it-is type of person and...dare I say it?...a HERO, even. But, somehow, when it comes to a woman displaying those same qualities, it's frowned upon. Why is that?"


Here here! Well said, rickyfan. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Totally true!!!

I've worked in the litigation field (as a paralegal) for 15 years. As I explained to someone who was getting out because she couldn't hack it, "you don't go into this job to help people. If you want to help people, become a nurse. You go into this field because you like to argue, beat the crap out of people and be right. And women in the field have to be twice as smart and be twice as strong to be successful." It's all about kicking ass and taking names. Being a push over will not get you anywhere, especially in litigation.

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rickyfan,

Wonderful job!! You elucidated all the arguments I wanted to make. Bravo for stating it all so clearly and logically.

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Thumbs up.

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If a man tries to act like Erin in his office he gets sued for harassment instantly and he does not look like a hero. He looks like Ari Gold from Entourage.

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amusing that we use the same name for different arguements
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054588/board/thread/130082983?p=2&d=1 51531061#151531061

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While I don't agree with her cursing like that, nah, she was just ballsy and assertive. So as far as "a bully with boobs" goes, I wonder: If Erin Brockovich had been a man instead of a woman...if, say, he was named Eric Brockovich...would you still think he was a bully? Chances are that, like most of our society, you wouldn't. In fact, chances are you and most of the rest of society would think that ERIC Brockovich was a strong, assertive, tells-it-like-it-is type of person and...dare I say it?...a HERO, even. But, somehow, when it comes to a woman displaying those same qualities, it's frowned upon. Why is that?


Because it's not lady-like. Remember how Ed said something to her about charm school right after she berated the other female lawyer with the phone number scene? Women today are going further and further away from the image of being ladies and becoming more and more dominant. It's evident in the way it's "humorous and cute" to see a guy get yelled at by his wife or girlfriend but if a guy yells at her then he's an a**hole. Just watch an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond!!! Poor Ray gets emasculated every freakin' episode and it's supposed to be funny to us?! Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that there's a professional way to handle things and in this movie Erin clearly didn't do that.

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While I don't agree with her cursing like that, nah, she was just ballsy and assertive. So as far as "a bully with boobs" goes, I wonder: If Erin Brockovich had been a man instead of a woman...if, say, he was named Eric Brockovich...would you still think he was a bully? Chances are that, like most of our society, you wouldn't. In fact, chances are you and most of the rest of society would think that ERIC Brockovich was a strong, assertive, tells-it-like-it-is type of person and...dare I say it?...a HERO, even.


No, I would have thought - and with ample justification - that she was an arrogant, condescending, self-absorbed dick, instead of an arrogant, condescending, self-absorbed bitch.

In that scene where she was first introduced to the legal reinforcements played by Peter Coyote and Veanne Cox, it's true that they initially misjudged her and completely underestimated her ability. So yes, it's quite understandable that her feathers would have been ruffled and she would have been offended. But to their credit, they almost immediately recognized that they had seriously underestimated her, and they clearly were very impressed and recognized that she was a very talented and valuable asset to the team.

They immediately tried to make amends, apologize, and get off to a new start. The mature, professional thing to do would have been to accept their olive branch, and move on. After all, they were on the same side, and they were making a sincere attempt to establish a productive and mutually respectful professional working relationship. Because that was what would have been in the best interests of the client, and that's what is supposed to come first.

But no. Instead of meeting them halfway and accepting their acknowledgment that they had been wrong about her and that she was a woman of considerable ability, and their attempt to start with a fresh approach, she just threw it back in their faces and treated them like crap. I don't think there's anything "strong and assertive" about that at all, whether it's coming from a male or a female - it's childish, insecure, self-absorbed, and whiny. It wasn't about the job they were trying to do for the clients, or working together as a team - it was all about her poor hurt feelings, and teaching people a lesson. That was the point where I lost a great deal of respect for the character she was playing, and i never really got it back.

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My opinion (for what it is worth.....)

Erin had been hurt by people before - ex-boyfriends, ex-bosses, other car drivers etc. - which made her suspicious, defensive, prickly and hard to get along with. She had children to care for and was deparate. This could and did make her insensitive, especiallly with authority figures or anyone who represented or reminded her of the people who had hurt her before, or even had not been hurt like she had been hurt - which was pretty much everyone, except for the people who were in a worse state than her, such as the ill people, who she identified with and who she was wonderful with.

I am not trying to defend her - Erin was who she was and did what she did. Did she hurt and annoy people? Yes, without question. Did she do good? Yes, also without question. Can she justify her existance and life? That's a matter of opinion. Do I respect her for what she did? Definitely. Would I like to be her friend? Probably not. That's life.......

A selfish bully? Not in my opinion, no. (The boobs are irrelevant.)

Karen St.

15th August 2009


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Erin had to become tough over the years in order to survive. When people don't give a crap about you, it's hard to give a crap about them.

Selfish? Everything she did was to better her childrens' lives. That was more than obvious. I mean, she hated working the long hours, but she knew it's what had to be done in order to give her kids what they deserved. She cared A LOT about the plaintiffs, too. The scene where she's quoting their phone numbers, addresses, full names, etc shows it's more than just a job to her. Most of us leave our work at our jobs. She didn't. She worked late hours trying to get each plaintiff the compensation they deserved.

I see she's a bit aggressive and up-front (often rude) to other people, but I can definetley understand why she's had to be like that.

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I think Erin meant well and she was (is) a good person, but I can see what the OP means. She wasn't all that nice and I wouldn't like to cross paths with someone like her. Actually, I already know people like that and I try to stay away from them. Sometimes, meaning well is not enough.

Regardless, Erin Brockovich did something good, so I can't dislike her that much, but yeah... she had a terrible attitude and I particularly enjoyed the part in which Dr. Masry called her on her bs, after being rude and agressive towards the other lawyer (Theresa Dallavale).

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I felt that she was unnecessarily mean to the people she worked with.
I have to agree. What she did for the victims was great but as a person her obnoxiousness knew no bounds. She was vulgar and rude.

Good guys may not finish last but they sure as sh*t don't finish first!

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You have GOT to be kidding me. How can you have the balls to say that this woman didn't care about anyone but herself? She was assertive and fought for what was right. So does that mean that women shouldn't be assertive to get things accomplished? So we shouldn't be assertive and we shouldn't sit back and do nothing, so what should we do then? You have to be an idiot to make such a brash statement. Sorry. I don't mean to be "ballsy". She may have been selfish, but she helped a lot of people, a lot of DESERVING people that no one else seemed to care about and if her kids and the family around her can't see all the good she has done in her life and appreciate her for that, then they are the ones with the problem. Yes, she became neglectful at some point, but for a reason that really meant something to her. We need more women in the world to fight for the people who no one believe are worth fighting for and I admire Erin Brockovich for the personal sacrifices she made and for all those people who are healthier and happier because of what she stood up for.

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I basically agree with you that Erin comes off as a selfish bitch. One who uses some pretty low tactics and very vulgar language when she feels threatened by anyone, and in any way. She also uses these kinds of questionable tactics to get her way. At least that is the way she is portrayed in this film. Whether this is true or not, who knows. However I don't think this aspect takes anything away from how good of a film it is. I think Erin is definitely a bitch, and quite selfish in this portrayal. However I still find the film to be a pretty good piece of entertainment. Finney is brilliant in it for one thing, and the film is quite interesting, funny, and well paced, etc. And of course it is great that she helped all those unfortunate people get a big settlement.

I definitely agree that she bullied and used guilt, (Among other things) as a tactic to put herself in a position to do something big. The end result was good, however many of her actions on the way to getting there are less than admirable. In the real world though, you usually do have to push a little extra to achieve something grand. She had drive, and she definitely developed a strong work ethic according to this film. Her way of doing things was unconventional, and certainly questionable. However this ended up being a landmark settlement in U.S. history. And if you look at most landmark achievements in history, they pretty much all have that common element that strayed from convention that pushed things to a new level. I'm not defending her actions, nor condeming her actions. It's just a fact that no human being is perfect. Society is not perfect, etc. It is what it is. It's a human story, and in my opinion, a pretty darn good one.



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