MovieChat Forums > Stigmata (1999) Discussion > Why Do Protestants...

Why Do Protestants...


...insist on picking on the Catholic Church when they recite the Apostles' Creed that says "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting"?

Don't any of them realize what they are saying there? Don't they KNOW what Catholic means?? For the love of God, they should!! It's pretty important!

It means "universal." But, since the Reformation, when Luther pulled away (or was driven, depending upon which way you look at it) from the Church Universal, all Protestants have been heretics, because they have chosen to separate themselves from the true Church. Even Luther acknowledged that it was the true Church.

They tore asunder the Mystical Body of Christ. They reduced the Church's "universality." And now they can't even take responsibility for having basically crucified the One over again.

::shakes head::

reply

Uhm... Why Catholics have to be judgmental against Protestants? Catholics aren't much better. I do believe that Christians have done some of the most evil things anyone has ever done.

reply

I do believe that Christians have done some of the most evil things anyone has ever done.


I believe that professing Christians have done some pretty evil things (both Catholics and non-Catholics), because I have seen it with my own eyes....but they are obviously not true Christians since they are not living the Christian life. So I can't use that as an excuse to reject God as so many other people seem to. In fact, the Bible has warned about religious deception that would take place in God's name. Far from discrediting Christianity, a lot of the non sense taking place in God's name just shows that much of what the Bible predicted has and is coming to pass. And those who are hostile towards Christians are unwittingly showing that as well, so I have addressed these issues in more detail in the following article on my site....

http://jdlarsenmn.tripod.com/unwittingly_proving.htm

The article is called "Unwittingly Proving The Bible to be True".

Visit my website at http://members.tripod.com/jdlarsenmn/index.html

reply

Jesse 859 Thank you for a great post.


Some hurt, some love, some shout. I fought the world and I lost that bout. ~ Blue October

reply

Not all Protestant churches recite the Apostles Creed. The Baptists, as former President Jimmy Carter is fond of reminding us, do not swear oaths, and that includes the Creed. Not all of the recitations include "the Holy Catholic Church," so in that, you're wrong. As for all Protestants being heretics...Please. Get over yourself.

reply

I don't know whether you are Catholic or not. From your little rant I suppose you probably are. Do you honestly think that getting your knickers in a knot about this makes you any better than what you say we do?? We don't JUDGE you. We just don't do the same things as Catholics in that we don't have all the ritualistic stuff. If anybody is picking on anybody it sounds like you're you pickin on Protestants mate.
I though we all believed in the same God, regardless of whether we are Catholic or Protestant. Your way of thinking is what drove Catholics and Protestants apart in the first place. The 16th Century comes to mind when Catholics slaughtered thousands of 'heretics' as they called them. Very Christianly that!
Oh and another thing, We actually say in our church 'I believe in a Holy, Common, Christian church' so not everyone says Catholic. Build a bridge and get over it!

reply

slaughtering thousands? yeah because the true muslims are SOOOOO much better right? educate yourself about the inquisition a little more MATE. and luther broke off from the Church because he didn't agree with the sacraments and Mass, not because of someone's way of thinking. Protestants, and especially fundamentalists, have always been more judgemental of Catholics. look at fools such as Loraine Boettner, Jimmy Swaggart and Keith Green. they would publish books and pamphlets all the time bashing on Catholocism, when they were the uneducated fools just spouting hatred. do more research on the RCC and early christian history, don't be blinded by sola scriptura

reply

Catholics rely on tradition more than the Bible, as the Catholic Church was around before the Bible.

The Apostle St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, and thus the first Pope of the Catholic Church. Peter was chosen to become a Vicar of Christ by Jesus with Jesus as the Head of the Catholic church.

So keep believing the Catholic Church isn't the true church.

reply

'Catholics rely on tradition more than the Bible, as the Catholic Church was around before the Bible.

The Apostle St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, and thus the first Pope of the Catholic Church. Peter was chosen to become a Vicar of Christ by Jesus with Jesus as the Head of the Catholic church.

So keep believing the Catholic Church isn't the true church.'


Yes, and your argument and credible sources are so authorative...

Think I'll stick to your advice and continue believing the catholic church isn't the true church.

reply

perfectly stated.

Monitamails nice...Burrrn!

reply

Heretic? Yeah...can you hear me all the way back there in the 16th century? As for the "true church"...what a load of bull. A church isn't a building or an instituation...it's wherever your faith is. Oh, and before you suggest that I'm just an angry Protestant, I'm Catholic...born and raised.

reply

The thing with Protestants is that we merely question certain Catholic believes and practices proven to be sinful and blasphemous in the bible, and because the church will not answer these questions, that gives us reason to believe there is deception within the church.

reply

Catholic in the creed is not capitalized.. one holy catholic church. non caps makes the distinction of the meaning being universal and not Catholic as in of the Roman Catholic Church.

Not all not Catholic religion recite the creed in their services and no they dont all know it can be used to mean universal. and are your refering to the Protestant Church or the protestant (non-Catholic) churches?

If as Christians we could start to see our commonalities and forgive our differences we'd be so much better off.

reply

[deleted]

The Catholic Church does teach that Jesus is God, that he rose from the dead, and that he is the way to salvation. Get your facts straight. Do you really think that all Catholics are child molesters? If so then you are a bigot.

reply

Well, I, on the other hand, am an Orthodox, and all I can say is...
Chill out people.

God is probably either laughing or being very angry at us for having all these petty arguments about separations that occured so long ago.

The whole point of what Jesus said was to love the person next to you. As long as someone does this, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or a little green man from Mars, I personally consider him/her a true Christian.

Hungry rodents are a force to be reckoned with!!!

reply

Lovehound, I don't know WHERE you got the idea that Luther tought that "Rome' was the TRUE CHURCH. It was his belief that all the Bishops of Rome were true Christians up to and including Gregrory the Great. Gregory was very instrumental in promoting the theory of Purgatory. In his defense, Luther thought that the pope had been deceived by Demons! Gregory expressly denied that any bishop was the "universal bishop"; only Christ is Head of the Church.
He said that anyone to claim that they were- was (an) Antichrist. After Gregory's death with the next pope Boniface III, just such a claim is made... something NEVER made for some six-hundred years (despite various understandings of the "Thou art Peter" passage). With Boniface, Luther felt that the 'Roman' see had ceased to be Catholic. That's what some groups such as Anglicans believe. Perversely, it was ROME that fell into theological error, heresy, and even Satanism, not the other way around. HJ

reply

They are not picking on the Catholic Church. They are picking on what is 'different' to the set of values and beliefs they themselves have accustomed themselves with.

You should never take these things personally. It is sub-concious programming that allows humans to identify one & other within their own social constraints and EVERY HUMAN ALIVE has the same 'nature' inherent within.
Every person in the world categorises and rates another person as a way to further define themselves. This is a tribal instinct...them / us.

Very important in building complex societies, the human psyche always defines itself by defining the 'enemy' first. Catholics, protestants, black, caucasian, Jew, Muslim etc etc.

The reason for them picking on the Catholic Church is that they have been raised to believe Protestants are correct in their beliefs and Catholics are incorrect in their beliefs. As we all know history has taught us that humans don't usually accept a differing/opposing view of the world to their own...they fight to impose their own values.

For example. 1500 years ago everybody KNEW the earth was the centre of the universe and that, in fact, the sun revolved around the earth. 500 years ago everybody KNEW the earth was flat and one could 'drop' off the end, 150 years ago everybody KNEW the Earth was as old as Adam & Eve.
NOW
There are educated, decent people in every one of those time periods (IN CONTEXT) but today we still have people that believe the Earth is ONLY as old as the total human age contained in the Bible (i.e. adding up everyone's age all the way back to Adam & Eve) = 12000 years.

These people ALWAYS hide behind their faith whenever I say; DINOSAURS?

So I, using the aforementioned psychology, classify them as idiots.

In 150 years who knows...maybe Darwin will be considered an 'upstart', maybe we'll all get on. As long as religion is still used as a 'weapon' of arguement...I seriously doubt we will.

'Only EFFORT, DISCIPLINE, LOYALTY, earn the right to wear the Dragon Doji.' - Oroku Saki

reply