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To those offended by the false history

posted 15 years ago by Hythlodaeus
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Okay as one guy said the USA steals history because we don't have any of our own, bla bla.

However, the real question here is "What would you all have us do?"

Who is going to enforce "Responsible, ethical, accurate and politically correct" history?

So you're all suggesting that the US government approve all movies before they go out? Should this be done through the State Department or the Ministry of Love? Ministry of Peace?

While we're at it we should also regulate books written for ENTERTAINMENT for historical accuracy, we should also have a gov. department that does this for the newspapers, the Internet, all school textbooks (public and private).

Give me a break people. What we need is people who do what many of us here on IMDB did, we went to Google and typed "Wikipedia u571" or typed "Wikipedia wwII enigma coding" and read the truth about this and realized we just saw a stylized movie.

The British have a wonderful term for what many British people are suggesting we do in America, it's called a "Nanny State" - aka Socialism/Communism.

In America we have something called the Bill of Rights (which includes freedom of speech) - unfortunately, Big Brother seems more pallatable to people worldwide these days. Soon we will have that wonderful Ministry of Truth everyone seems so anxious for, thus ensuring as Orwell, so wonderfully illustrated, that we will then have iron-fisted government controlled propaganda rather than harmless entertainment.

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[–] obbie 15 years ago

Hey - Everybody knows that it was Canadian William Stephenson that cracked the Enigma.

But then they had British actor David Niven play Stevenson's role!

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[–] Hythlodaeus 14 years ago

Are you so foolish, sir, as to think that every American is happy about what tyranny Bush and Obama love dishing out?

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[–] the-infamia 14 years ago

Cant wait for the epic american revolutionary war movie where french and english are fighting each other and france wins, Americans wount be even mentioned. The 1812 movie might have good effects with the german army burning down the white house and all...

[–] tombo19842000 14 years ago

"What would you all have us do?"

Not make up history... You don't see us doing it...

[–] Hythlodaeus 14 years ago

Oh, so you all have no movies that are not 100% accurate according to all historians and popular culture? Does your nanny state approve movies before they can be aired? Like V for Vendetta or 1984?

Sorry, America hasn't gotten there yet, but don't worry we will be soon.

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[–] CGSailor 12 years ago

you dumbasses still don't get the concept of historical fiction do you?

U-571 NEVER CLAIMED to even remotely be based on a true event. They are NOT claiming that this is how we got the enigma.

It is a COMPLETELY FICTIONAL story... set within a Historical time-period.
it is NOT "creating a false history" because it never claimed this was the history.

Get the *beep* over yourselves.

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[–] victorpontif 7 years ago

That would be *beep* hilarious.

[–] chrisisstressed 14 years ago

"What would you all have us do?"

I really wouldn't care about the sort of miss-representation this sort of movie offers up except that so many idiots seem to watch these movies and then talk like they're accurate history. It's like the mistake "disorienTATEd" when the word is actually "disoriented". So many people have been using it wrong that it has now become an accepted word, and we've enough hassle with different countries representing history differently (I'm thinking the difference between British & American representation of the "war of 1812" and whatnot). There's even a sizable chunk of Russia's actions during WW2 that were removed from American history books during the Cold War which admittedly have yet to be rectified.

Movies are littered with inaccuracies. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not, and it always makes me laugh when a movie starts with "based on a true story" since the amount of times that 98% of the film is fiction is insanely large.

I guess I'm just sick of those less intelligent Americans watching these movies and then coming off with crap like "look, see how much we did for you all in WW2". I have no problem "saluting" the men and women who gave their lives, but it kinda quits being funny real quick seeing joe-public talking one group up and another down because of what he's seen in a movie that's mostly inaccurate.

That's just my feeling.

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[–] ChefC 13 years ago

Bad example there my friend. 'Disorientated' is the correct word, 'Disoriented' is the American way.

It's called 'English' for a reason. Although I think the plan in the US is to keep pronouncing and spelling English words incorrectly, until you have a whole new language you can call 'American'.

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[–] Hythlodaeus 12 years ago

Yup, and every language in history has been plastic, flexible and alive, adapted to the times and culture it sustains and by which it is sustained.

Speaking for all Americans we're not going to apologize that we're not Charles Dickens but might for being Bukowski. And certainly don't owe you an apology, though we may owe ourselves and our children one.

However, you just come off as an angry little man who always used correct punctuation in high school but always got wedgies in the locker room.

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[–] ChefC 12 years ago

Sorry, was that aimed at me?

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[–] ender342 8 years ago

If 'disorientated' is the 'correct' word then the verb must be 'disorientate', not 'disorient'. If you can say 'disorientate' without gettting an unpleasant taste in your mouth then you should consult an oral surgeon.

[–] mike-osullivan3 12 years ago

Well what I say is that if we (The Brits) don't like it we can make our own bloody films!

[–] benji9000 13 years ago

I agree guys - let's chill a bit on the "Oh my Gah, this movie isn't historically accurate - let's have a lynching party!" What do you expect???? This is Hollywood!!!!! It's an action movie. A GREAT action movie by the way. And the movie did give credit to the Brits, rightfully so. I just don't see what everyone's' complaining about. I loved this movie, in fact it's one of those kinds of movies that's a "comfort" movie. If I feel sad or depressed I pop it in and I love the action (even if it's not historically accurate) and I feel better. So just please. Take a chill pill. Again, this is Hollywood! Do you think anyone in Hollywood really gives a rat's arse if this is accurate or not???

By the way EVERYONE used those depth charge things, so that's accurate - and those scenes are the best scenes in the movie.

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[–] Rob4001 12 years ago

So you're all suggesting that the US government approve all movies before they go out? Should this be done through the State Department or the Ministry of Love? Ministry of Peace?

The US already does approve films that go out. For example if a film is too graphic in content it can be banned or censored.

While we're at it we should also regulate books written for ENTERTAINMENT for historical accuracy, we should also have a gov. department that does this for the newspapers, the Internet, all school textbooks (public and private).

Yes, it's very, very, very important to regulate school textbooks for historical accuracy! And indeed there are many laws about what newspapers can write in the US and the UK. Otherwise they may face a libel claim and be fined through the courts. Libel laws also cover the internet too. In fact, in extreme cases messageboards can face libel claims for user created content.

The British have a wonderful term for what many British people are suggesting we do in America, it's called a "Nanny State" - aka Socialism/Communism.

Socialism and Communism and the "nanny state" are an economical-political systems, and have nothing to do with what you're talking about. What you speak of would be more to do with regulations and like all countries there are plenty of regulations in the US.

In America we have something called the Bill of Rights (which includes freedom of speech)

Yes we are aware, it was mostly based on the English bill of Rights.

that we will then have iron-fisted government controlled propaganda rather than harmless entertainment.

Well we virtually got propaganda with this film anyway.

The fact is we shouldn't need regulations to stop people doing what they did with this film.

[–] colinpowell1234 12 years ago

Try using the N word when describing an African American and see how the freedom of speech works.

[–] the_la_baker 8 years ago

So you're all suggesting that the US government approve all movies before they go out? Should this be done through the State Department or the Ministry of Love? Ministry of Peace?

Actually, that does happen quite often. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPZL5WTilRE