This Can't be Said Enough


I think it is generally accepted that Saving Private Ryan lost to Shakespeare in love because Harvey Weinstein bought oscar votes. There are always going to be people who like one movie better than another, and I certainly can't say that it is impossible to like SIL more than SPR, or even that its a better film. But it is hard to come up with an example of the academy getting it more wrong than it did in 98. SPR had veterans puking in their seats and people passing out in aisles. It was one of the most powerful film experiences I have ever had, and that is certainly the experience hundreds of thousands of audience members had. It is also a cheesy, sentimental, cliched piece of film-making, but that was totally appropriate considering the subject matter (it was accessible to a wider audience - this is an asset of the film, not a detriment). The bottom line is that SPR changed the way people make war movies. There's before SPR and there's after. It created a new legion of war movie fans as well. And it started a national craze around the 'greatest generation' that lasted for years. SIL's impact? Beyond chat rooms frequented by shakespeare fans (and paltrow's career), there was none.

Remember, this is best picture, not best film. The best written, best directed movie shouldn't necessarily win the award. SPR was revolutionary; SIL is just an ordinary, well done movie...utterly forgettable other than for the fact that it beat SPR in the best picture race.

It's not really a close call, and history has certainly recognized that fact (SPR is considered one the greatest films of all time, while SIL has been all but forgotten). That SIL fans protest this inevitability is not surprising; SIL is a literary film made for an audience that will never understand why SPR, populist as it is, is a far superior picture.

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I liked Shakespeare in Love, but when I learned it won a bunch of oscars including best picture, I was shocked. It does not seem oscar worthy to me. Was just a fun, extremely silly movie.

Suffice it to say, Harvey Weinstein being behind this movie, which seemingly won far more oscars than it should have, has alarm bells ringing.

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As a voting member of the Academy I can tell you why I voted for Shakespeare In Love, and that was the script.

Saving Private Ryan was already a story. And it was brilliantly told by Speilberg. But the story was already there.

SIL is a work of art, as in "Art: The creation of something from nothing". SIL was an amazing, near-flawless script. It definitely deserved to win the Oscar for "Best Writing: Original Screenplay".

The Academy obviously loves a good story well told. But as artists they also appreciate creation from the imagination. The fact that SIL was conceived from imagination, as opposed to an existing story, is what put it on top for me in '98.

JMHO.

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Emmys3, thank you, an enlightening and informative comment. Too much of this board is taken up with people saying Yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is, like schoolchildren in the playground. Very glad to see some real input.

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And thank you from me.

There are very few scripts like SiL and it is wonderful to see one rewarded with a good cast and a great director then honoured appropriately by your good selves.

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Hey, Alfa, let's watch it again tonight.

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You're on. I have the Blu Ray somewhere.

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Spielberg is my favourite filmmaker, but Saving Private Ryan in highly overrated (in my silly little opinion). Episodic, with no actual 'story' to speak of (really, there's NONE), a thoroughly obvious message, and the cinematic lie of Ryan 'remembering' events he wasn't even present for!

Having said that, it was made with such incredible technical virtuosity - almost unequaled before or since in any department - that perhaps the sheer quality of the production made it deserving of being Best Picture.

Oh, and I have never seen Shakespeare in Love. No interest in it.



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SPR has an 8.6 here on IMDB, while SIL only has a 7.2. Case closed.

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Afraid so - SiL was just too smart and too funny for too many people to get. Caviare to the general, as Will Shakespeare himself would have said.

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The Shawshank Redemption is rated the best film of all time, ABOVE Citizen Kane, Casablanca, and Vertigo. Need anyone say more? The IMDB user rating's system is garbage, ratings by (mostly) fanboys who know next to nothing about the art of film or film history. Witness a previous poster who wrote that SPR was the best film of the year even though he had never seen Shakespeare in Love. Can you spell I D I O T?

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Saving Private Ryan is Spielberg`s extension of his adolescent fascination with boom boom war movies. It is a young boy`s grown up realization of playing with techno stick guys with guns; "Zowie! Did you see THAT, man?! Was that cool, or what?!"

I did watch the flick, only because i thought it was true; but no, it was just a way to gross parents out.

I like Tom Hanks, but i never took him seriously as a combat leader. He is a good, but lightweight actor; more of a fellow to hang out with than follow into Hell.

This movie is exploitation of war to make a buck. No wonder vets puked.

Shakespeare in Love was simply a different film; great, but let`s face it, ALL commercial movies exist for profit. If you like blood flying and faces shot off, you can`t beat Saving Private Ryan. If you like intricate colorful comedies, you can`t beat Shakespeare in Love.

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Yes. Weinstein bought Paltrow's Academy Award too. It's really obvious that he pushed the covers.

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Whenever the 1998 Oscars gets brought up in discussion, all we ever hear about is how "SPR was robbed!" And for many years, I actually believed this. The public perception of Shakespeare in Love being a mushy chick flick that only won because of Harvey Weinstein cemented the idea in my head that it was rhubbish and not worth watching.

Anyway, I finally got around to watching SiL on a plane journey, and I was surprisingly enthralled by this witty, hilarious, and moving romance. Yes, it was a tad lightweight when compared to other serious oscar contenders, but it has an incredible screenplay and a deft plot. The biggest issue I had was figuring out how Viola managed to hide her hair underneath that boy wig, which is more than I can say for my numerous problems with SPR.

Anyway, why are comedies any less deserving of Oscar attention that "serious," gritty dramas? Imo, comedy is incredibly hard to pull off effectively. And need I mention that the ending to SiL is also incredible?

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