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If you thought Bruce Willis was "evil" in this movie


You don't go outside often. You have never been in a combat situation. You have delusions about the rest of the world's population and what human beings do to other human beings on a regular basis.

The general in this film literally WARNED the powers that be what would happen if martial law was implemented. He WARNED them, just like I would. That's not evil, that's being a professional.

NO ONE who posts here would be prepared for the realities of a martial law situation. Most of you people wouldn't even be able to handle being locked in an institution (criminal or otherwise) for more than 48 hours, let alone being in a military-controlled city.

I'd even be willing to wager that a lot of people who randomly fist-shake and scream "EVIL VILLIN!" wouldn't be able to make it through BCT.

I'm no "Murica" loser - I think nationalism is outdated and primitive. That doesn't change the fact that people with guns keep YOU safe. People who kill and torture others keep YOU safe. Some people lose their basic human rights, and it isn't YOU. Be glad, stop whining.

*beep* primitives in Africa dying in diamond mines and yet we have threads crying about some random getting tortured to death? No. Stop whining. You have it just fine, the world is the way it is, and nothing will ever change it.

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Feel better now that you got that off your chest?

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you are evil, people who kill and torture the others will one day kill or torture you, or at least will drive the others to kill and torture you in terrorist actions. the movie makers chose bruce willes for this role because they are as racist as you are.

i mostly will not be able to answer your reply, since marissa mayer hacked my email, no notification

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I thought Bruce Willis was "evil" in this movie.

You don't go outside often.

Incorrect.

You have never been in a combat situation.

Correct.

You have delusions about the rest of the world's population and what human beings do to other human beings on a regular basis.

Incorrect.

The general in this film literally WARNED the powers that be what would happen if martial law was implemented. He WARNED them, just like I would. That's not evil, that's being a professional.

He didn't warn them that he personally would order people tortured.

NO ONE who posts here would be prepared for the realities of a martial law situation.

*shrugs* Perhaps so.

Most of you people wouldn't even be able to handle being locked in an institution (criminal or otherwise) for more than 48 hours, let alone being in a military-controlled city.

*shrugs* Perhaps so.

I'd even be willing to wager that a lot of people who randomly fist-shake and scream "EVIL VILLIN!" wouldn't be able to make it through BCT.

I certainly wouldn't.

So what, exactly? Are you of the opinion that people who can pass BCT are the only ones capable of making valid moral judgments or something?

That doesn't change the fact that people with guns keep YOU safe.

Indeed they do. I have no problem with that. In fact, I applaud it and them. Good on them for doing that difficult and dangerous job. It doesn't give them a license to act in an immoral manner, though.

People who kill and torture others keep YOU safe.

If people torture others to keep me safe then they should stop; I don't want the safety they offer, thank you. I would prefer to be less safe in a country where the government does not torture people.

Some people lose their basic human rights, and it isn't YOU. Be glad, stop whining.

I am glad it's not me.

*beep* primitives in Africa dying in diamond mines and yet we have threads crying about some random getting tortured to death?

You appear to think that it's only possible to address one problem at a time, and so the way to go is to address the very worst one, and ignore all the others? If so then I don't agree; it is perfectly possible to address many different problems simultaneously. And torture by our government is a really easy one to address; we simply follow the laws that say you don't torture. End of problem. Then we can get on with worrying about all those primitives in the African diamond mines.

You have it just fine, the world is the way it is, and nothing will ever change it.

The facts would seem to disagree. We are living in what is certainly the best time in all of human history right now. IMO, it's only likely to get better in the long term. Our descendants will look back on us as primitive savages, much as we look at those poor diamond miners you mentioned now. That's as it should be, and I see no reason to hold off on making the improvements that will get us from here to there.

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Christianity : A god who loves you so much that he'll set fire to you if you don't love him back

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Did anyone else here feel like they needed a long hot shower after reading this screwball's post? Thank heavens (I think) that someone died giving him/her the "right" to spew such sewage from the mouth he kisses his mama with.

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Get over yourself.


...then whoa, differences...

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Goodness what a JADED view of the world and worse, of this country. In reference to your Basic Combat Training - I hearken back to the sheep, the wolves and the sheep dogs ... there is a place for everyone and THANK GOD for those who can bear the burden of the sheep dog and keep us all safe. If it took bodies to keep my country safe I'd GLADLY lay down my life for her ... but I have no skills to bring to that table EXCEPT my spilled blood and I think most Americans would do the same - stand shoulder to shoulder armed with what they have to protect our sovereignty.

I think your Murica is off a bit - it SHOULD be Merca "I'd fite and die for Merca" chaw chaw spit.

HOWEVER NONE of this changes the fact that we cannot run over people's rights, CITIZEN'S rights, in the name of "protecting" America and I think we could easily handle Marshal Law PROVIDING it was implemented within the Constitution and for a sound reason. Randomly herding American citizens into a corral, keeping them in captivity for non specific periods of times, depriving them of basic needs based on the color of their skin, their religious beliefs, etc. is NOT one of those. The sum of all OUR wars is several feet of blood covering every inch of American soil ENSURING that our rights and privileges as citizens are protected... spilled by our ancestors, our grandfathers, fathers, brothers and sons and if you think I'd give up on single right they bled and died for you are SADLY mistaken. Unfortunately, our Constitution also provides most of those same "rights" to non citizens - the right to due process being a basic right (whether we agree or not).

Israelis, in the face of a catastrophic bombing, are back at work the next day as though nothing happened and it's not because they are stupid, it's because they KNOW from thousands of years of history that the quickest way to admit defeat is to give in to terrorists and let them steal a way of life and they won't do it. We should probably have as much courage.

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I considered Willis to be an anti-villain. As the OP mentioned, Devereaux didn't want martial law, but once the president gave him the OK, the general did everything it took to find the terrorists. The true villains were the terrorists AND the president for breaking his oath to defend the Constitution by declaring martial law and suspending habeas corpus.

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Exactly. And unfortunately people who fight for their country and for our freedoms are presented as racists.

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