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ending scene question


In the last scene (or almost last) when they are in the bar and a woman walks into it. Sam says "hmmmm", Vincent says "Sorry", Sam says "you said something" and Vincent says "I said she won't be coming back here" (paraphrasing). But it didn't appear that he DID say anything prior to Sam saying that. I didn't quite get that or maybe I just missed it. Any ideas. Was it an editing problem or did he say it under his breath?

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Most likely editing problem. This movie had a few along with other noticeable technical problems.

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In the original/alternative ending, at the spot where it cuts to Sam's POV as he looks at the door of the bar, it cut to the outside of the building on the stairs with Deirdre hiding to the side watching the entrance. So presumably the conversation would have continued inside and we just wouldn't have heard him say the first time "she would not be coming back here." That awkward edit is likely a result of cutting her out of the ending. Though you could also play it off as you are in Sam's head and he was lost in thought when Vincent said what he said.

Alternative ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFBoIda0y5A

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Thanks for the input - interesting - never heard of the alternate ending. I do like the other version better if it wasn't for the weird edit.

however - it still seems like I'm missing something -even in the original. Vincent doesn't say anything - at least from what I can hear - and Sam says - you said something - and Vincent tells him she isn't coming back. That still puts me in the same position. What did Sam hear to start him to say - you said something. I know it's a small thing - and I obviously still love the movie - just kind of doesn't sit well every time I see it.

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No, no, no!

That is BRILLIANT editing! When we see the girl walking in, it is in DeNiro's POV, as he is thinking "I hope she is walking in...", and in THAT MOMENT Vincent could have said he was the queen of england and it wouldn't have registered. It was a perfect way of conveying how eager he was to see Dierdre again.

We didn't hear Vincent because DeNiro didn't hear Vincent. He asked him what he said and then we all find out what was said.

Brilliant filmmaking.

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Correct, it was done to show De Niro’s distracted mind, obsessed with seeing Deirdre again.

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^This is good and, hopefully, it's how the scene was supposed to be.


Hey there, Johnny Boy, I hope you fry!

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I don't know about that. He never used that technique in the movie before - just using Sam's point of view - at least as far as could tell. Why use it in this one instance? If it was supposed to be that way - that would be interesting. I'm starting another post with a similiar problem in the movie (not sure if it was covered) - take a look and tell me what you think.

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Saying a technique wasn't used repeatedly so it can't be used is ridiculous. I'm right and you can think whatever you want.

Your "new" question posted serves only to demonstrate your inability to interpret dialogue, acting, and inflection.

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I'm right and you can think whatever you want.


You sound like a seven year old. Relax - let it go - it's a movie.

Saying a technique wasn't used repeatedly so it can't be used is ridiculous.


Not sure if you can read - but I never said that because it wasn't used repeatedly it can't be used. I said it was NEVER used in the movie and this would be the first and ONLY time they used it. I didn't say they couldn't use it - I said if they did it would be interesting. I can't think of another Frankenheimer or other movie in which they never use that point of view throughout the entire movie and just use it for one scene in the end (not that they can't). Also it appears that other posters feel it is an editing problem (not that that makes it certain).

But if saying you're right makes you feel better - then.... find another poster to tell you.

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I was able to ready your stupid question. The best part about being right is not needing validation. Like ignorance, knowledge is bliss.

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I was able to ready your stupid question.


It was quite obvious that you weren't able to either read it or comprehend it.


The best part about being right is not needing validation.


The same thing goes for just thinking your right. I hope you understand the concept. The best part about dealing with stupid people on-line is they amuse me. You are definitely amusing.

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This was noticeable to me, too. I watch everything with closed captioning and the captions dependably display so much more than the primary dialogue--insignificant remarks from random passersby, for example, and sound effects.

There was a total lack of caption when I would have expected at least an "Undecipherable" on the screen if Vincent had murmured something. Sam's next question made me think they were going to go into a goofy "Did you say something? No, I thought you said something" exchange in the middle of their poignant farewell.

Not saying it was a giant flaw--just that it caught my attention enough to distract me from the movie for a second.

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The original DVD that I watched missed Vincent's remark. I always wondered when Vincent had said that Deidre wouldn't be coming. But the next DVD that I bought from Europe included the part where Vincent says that she wouldn't be coming.

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He knew he was going to die.

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